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RE: The Thread to Discuss Lou Dobbs and others running ... - 11/20/2009 3:09:52 PM   
Musicmystery


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The GOP primaries look to be wide open. People who have been doing teh various things candidates do at this point:
Gingrich
Huckabee
Jindal
Palin
Pawlenty
Romney
Santorum

I honestly don't see anyone in that field who could win the GOP nomination

Any of them could, because the Republican primary system is set up to get a nominee early.

A Hillary/Obama style fight just isn't possible. It's a winner take all plan--which is how McCain got anointed so early, despite unhappiness among Conservatives (and the set up for the Palin pick).

Anyone with an early lead could become the nominee, and the party will throw its weight behind that nominee, whomever it is.


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RE: The Thread to Discuss Lou Dobbs and others running ... - 11/20/2009 3:13:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Actually, the 60% I referred to in my post was Palin's "unfit to be President" numbers; by anyone's polling, she has disastrously high unfavorable ratings;

I wastched Chris Matthews ask Governor Haley Barbour of Mississippi if "Palin is qualified to be President"; he stammered, hedged, and finally said "Constitutionally she is..." (The Constitution allows any natural born citizen who is over 35 to be President)
Meaning he could not bring himself to say outright she was fit to be President.

Can you imagine a former GOP chairman saying the same about Reagan in 1979? Not a good sign for that woman, or the party that she might be leading.

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RE: The Thread to Discuss Lou Dobbs and others running ... - 11/20/2009 3:14:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		Absolutely agreed.

The party defended Palin simply because she was the pick. It was a desperate, shoot from the hip attempt to shore up McCain's campaign, and was never properly vetted. They can't seriously continue to back her and retain credibility.



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RE: The Thread to Discuss Lou Dobbs and others running ... - 11/20/2009 3:16:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		I fully support Mr.Dobbs....oh Lou, no I mean Bob


HAIL BOB DOBBS

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RE: The Thread to Discuss Lou Dobbs and others running ... - 11/20/2009 3:22:44 PM   
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I read the questions and see no bias, and Opinion Dynamics is an independent company that contractually uses their own polling methodologies without influence of the companies that hire them. If they are consistently below "every other poll", a claim also often made (possibly by you even) about Rasmussen, then I suggest you examine any liberal biases in other polls.

Read the realclearpolitics page I linked. It has the historical data and fox and Rasmussen consistently are the low numbers for Obama's job approval just like they consitently were the top numbers for Bush's approval rating.

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RE: The Thread to Discuss Lou Dobbs and others running ... - 11/20/2009 3:25:12 PM   
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I read the questions and see no bias, and Opinion Dynamics is an independent company that contractually uses their own polling methodologies without influence of the companies that hire them. If they are consistently below "every other poll", a claim also often made (possibly by you even) about Rasmussen, then I suggest you examine any liberal biases in other polls.

Read the realclearpolitics page I linked. It has the historical data and fox and Rasmussen consistently are the low numbers for Obama's job approval just like they consitently were the top numbers for Bush's approval rating.



I see, so now its no longer "Fox has consistently lower numbers than anyone", its "Fox and Rasmussen both have consistently lower numbers than anyone else". Its hard to kick field goals when the goalposts are moving. And of course this still does not address where any bias that does exist might be found...in Fox/Rasmussen or in the polls that show higher numbers.

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RE: The Thread to Discuss Lou Dobbs and others running ... - 11/20/2009 3:40:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		So let me get this straight, a dozen or more well respected polling organizations numbers are biased because they don't track with the two that show a clear tilt toward your political POV. Unless you have some evidence to back that up I'll continue using my knowledge of statistics to say that when a group of numbers cluster except for a small group of consistent outliers it is the outliers that should be examined.

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RE: The Thread to Discuss Lou Dobbs and others running ... - 11/20/2009 3:58:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		The man has made over a thousand posts and still you insist on responding with logic?Much better to try my tact....derision and scorn,its all he really deserves.

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RE: The Thread to Discuss Lou Dobbs and others running ... - 11/20/2009 4:03:02 PM   
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So let me get this straight, a dozen or more well respected polling organizations numbers are biased because they don't track with the two that show a clear tilt toward your political POV. Unless you have some evidence to back that up I'll continue using my knowledge of statistics to say that when a group of numbers cluster except for a small group of consistent outliers it is the outliers that should be examined.


With your great knowledge of statistics then, you might look at comparisons not with "a dozen or more" polling organizations, but those that poll the same groups. The "lack of tracking" that you claim is almost entirely due to the differences between All, Registered and Likely Voters. When grouped that way the differences are not statistically significant. Then when you throw the obviously biased polls out (eg NY/CBS are notorious for overweighting Democrats in their polls and not adjusting for it), youre left with nothing.

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RE: The Thread to Discuss Lou Dobbs and others running ... - 11/20/2009 6:22:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Helluva creative thread title there, Muse...

Ok.  Let's get a few more names simmering in this pot.  Real Clear Politics has a nice little list of dark horses at:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/lists/gop_dark_horses/
Just click on the name above the picture to move on to the next.

President Obama's first undeniable achievement was seriouly lowering the bar on who can become President of these United States.  His resume was basically blank.  No accomplishments.  No executive experience.  Oratorically gifted.  He was a national nobody until the '04 DNC, and then he went on to the White House.  It could happen again.   One viral video could launch a political star.  (The Dems will do everything can to shoot those down of course, but they just can't keep their deep, inner ugliness hidden when they do that, and wind up hurting themselves anyway).

Personally, I want to see Rudy Giuliani back on these lists.

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RE: The Thread to Discuss Lou Dobbs and others running ... - 11/20/2009 6:36:13 PM   
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Helluva creative thread title there, Muse...


Do you ever engage your brain first, or is it stuck in sarcasm gear?

This crap bubbled up in the news thread. I just moved it to its own thread.

As you can see from the copied posts at the beginning.

Hence the title, straight from the quoted post.

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RE: The Thread to Discuss Lou Dobbs and others running ... - 11/20/2009 6:59:06 PM   
TheHeretic


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Status: offline 		Are you suggesting sarcasm doesn't require at least some level of engagement, Muse?

Maybe you'd care to discuss some of the potential candidates raised by my post and link?  Perhaps you should add a "hijacking acceptable" note to your instructions for the thread?  I saw the genesis as well.  I stand by my comment about your thread title. 

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RE: The Thread to Discuss Lou Dobbs and others running ... - 11/20/2009 7:08:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Palin said she would consider Glen Beck as a running mate in 2012
Seriously.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/11/19/politics/main5708759.shtml

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RE: The Thread to Discuss Lou Dobbs and others running ... - 11/20/2009 7:13:33 PM   
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Palin said she would consider Glen Beck as a running mate in 2012
Seriously.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/11/19/politics/main5708759.shtml


That reminds me of an Ozzy song

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RE: The Thread to Discuss Lou Dobbs and others running ... - 11/20/2009 8:19:13 PM   
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Palin favorability rating: 47%
Obama approval rating: 46%



Isn't it amazing that you didn't list a source for that?  Not that you ever do.

That was a Fox poll result.  The same CBS poll result had Palin's approval rating at 23%.  Taken only a few days before.


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RE: The Thread to Discuss Lou Dobbs and others running ... - 11/20/2009 8:31:27 PM   
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Palin said she would consider Glen Beck as a running mate in 2012
Seriously.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/11/19/politics/main5708759.shtml



Two whack jobs on one Republican ticket.

A Democrat's dream come true.

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RE: The Thread to Discuss Lou Dobbs and others running ... - 11/20/2009 8:41:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic
Ok.  Let's get a few more names simmering in this pot.  Real Clear Politics has a nice little list of dark horses at:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/lists/gop_dark_horses/
Just click on the name above the picture to move on to the next.

Those are the dark horses?

Please let Perry run. You can bet the media will hang his murdering of Cameron Willingham around his neck.

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RE: The Thread to Discuss Lou Dobbs and others running ... - 11/20/2009 9:35:14 PM   
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President Obama's first undeniable achievement was seriouly lowering the bar on who can become President of these United States.


This is undoubtedly the funniest thing I have ever heard on this board, considering we just had eight years of an intellectual giant in the White House.

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RE: The Thread to Discuss Lou Dobbs and others running ... - 11/20/2009 9:37:20 PM   
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RE: The Thread to Discuss Lou Dobbs and others running ... - 11/20/2009 9:45:41 PM   
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Historically, this country has a longer list than that of cluelessness in the White House.




Unfortunately too true.

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