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RE: A Lie to Pose an Interesting Question - 11/21/2009 6:41:00 PM

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Ok one question, that struck me immediately... WHY is she going to donate the proceeds of that bookstop ONLY( to the families of the tragedy), surely 90% plus of that base are already helping the families, why take their money to "give it back" to the community?
surely donations from the tour as a whole would be more altruistic?

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RE: A Lie to Pose an Interesting Question - 11/21/2009 6:45:32 PM

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Ok one question, that struck me immediately... WHY is she going to donate the proceeds of that bookstop ONLY( to the families of the tragedy), surely 90% plus of that base are already helping the families, why take their money to "give it back" to the community?
surely donations from the tour as a whole would be more altruistic?\

Jeeez, talk about looking a gift horse in the mouth! But it's not up to her in any case, it's up to the publisher.

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RE: A Lie to Pose an Interesting Question - 11/21/2009 6:47:27 PM

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dont buy it, but nm,

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RE: A Lie to Pose an Interesting Question - 11/21/2009 8:11:06 PM

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Ok one question, that struck me immediately... WHY is she going to donate the proceeds of that bookstop ONLY( to the families of the tragedy), surely 90% plus of that base are already helping the families, why take their money to "give it back" to the community?
surely donations from the tour as a whole would be more altruistic?\

Jeeez, talk about looking a gift horse in the mouth! But it's not up to her in any case, it's up to the publisher.

K.

Technically, granted, but she has a good point.

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RE: A Lie to Pose an Interesting Question - 11/21/2009 9:21:09 PM

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really, why don't you give up your salary for them?

Or Obama?

Or lucy?

Or....?

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RE: A Lie to Pose an Interesting Question - 11/21/2009 9:27:42 PM

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really, why don't you give up your salary for them?

Or Obama?

Or lucy?

Or....?
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Just to mention, Palin has already received over a million dollars for this book. That makes her far better paid than Obama, myself or (and I'm assuming) Lucy. But hey, why should she put any of her own in? Far better to let someone else do the giving and claim the credit herself. That's the political system at it's finest.

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RE: A Lie to Pose an Interesting Question - 11/21/2009 10:45:15 PM

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really, why don't you give up your salary for them?

Or Obama?

Or lucy?

Or....?

Donating my time, gets more done. Money is so impersonal.

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RE: A Lie to Pose an Interesting Question - 11/22/2009 2:49:40 AM

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Does this answer your question?

St. Sarah of Wasilla

Asked about any domestic problem - education, unemployment, breast cancer, etc. - she invariably advocates cutting taxes. Given problems of a more metaphysical nature, she will come around to invoking Jesus.

Respond to her that even Jesus approved of taxes - "unto Caesar that which is Caesar's" - and she will answer with only a smile that says, "You're trying to trap me with words again, but I can't he-e-ear you."

Olbermann missed the point. There are no lies in Sarah's book; nor in her life, nor in her heart. Utterances that seem untrue are not lies, because Sarah believes them true. If she says one thing, then later forgets what she said and says the opposite, Sarah Palin is neither lying nor mistaken, nor forgetful, because at each moment, she believes what she has said. And a minute later, she will believe something else, if she says it. Whatever she says, if she says it, will be true. But if it's not, so what? It's words, only words.

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RE: A Lie to Pose an Interesting Question - 11/22/2009 7:10:22 AM

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I tell you with all sincerity I didn't do it to stir the pot or troll.

So that was just a bonus?

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RE: A Lie to Pose an Interesting Question - 11/22/2009 7:38:53 AM

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RE: A Lie to Pose an Interesting Question - 11/22/2009 8:35:38 AM

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I tell you with all sincerity I didn't do it to stir the pot or troll.

So that was just a bonus?

No...it was an attempt to see if one's feeling about the person involved changes the perception of an act. Would a Michael Moore supporter feel differently if he did something that Sarah Palin did and vice versa. Of course, while I asked that question directly, it seems one no one is particularly interested in answering.

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RE: A Lie to Pose an Interesting Question - 11/22/2009 8:49:48 AM

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Michael Moore and Sarah Palin have much more in common than differences. They are carnival hucksters entertaining a like minded, star struck, constituency serving as flash points for agenda based commentary, this thread a case in point, while they advance only one thing - their bank account balance.

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RE: A Lie to Pose an Interesting Question - 11/22/2009 8:53:28 AM

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Michael Moore and Sarah Palin have much more in common than differences. They are carnival hucksters entertaining a like minded, star struck, constituency serving as flash points for agenda based commentary, this thread a case in point, while they advance only one thing - their bank account balance.

We've found an area of agreement. Moore and Palin are about the same level on different sides of the issue. (which is a shame, as Rodger and Me showed some promise for Moore as a filmmaker). Other than the fact that no one is touting Moore as the answer to our problems or the next president of the United States, they're pretty much of a type. That's why the hypothetical of their making bank off of a recent tragedy was, I felt, a good one to see how agreement with position affects agreement with actions.

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RE: A Lie to Pose an Interesting Question - 11/23/2009 8:32:18 AM

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I think I know what you're getting at Spin. I am extremely opinionated about alot of things, but the struggle to keep my mouth shut at the right (wrong ?) time has enlightened me. Fair is fair.

So it's fucking disgusting when anyone does it. That's my opinion.

To use another's tragedy to further one's agenda is the point no ? Well this goes on every day. It's so prevalent that most don't really see it. You bring up a blatant example, but some are more subtle. They do everything for show. Politicians are a pitiful lot to say the least.

It's getting pretty deep too, I cast a jaundiced eye even on the most humanitarian acts by politicos and other such scum. Everything to get your vote.

Once voted in they give away our money and pretend it's their's. They act as if they pulled the money out of their own pocket for everything from Katrina to global warming. Well actually they did, they either stole that money or planned to.

Their job is to get your vote, nothing more. So all the world's a stage, really. Palin, Moore, even Obama are nothing more than a flea speck on the spectacles of life when you look at the big picture. What they do is called pandering, and people love to be pandered to. Look how good this person is ! They did this and that and the other thing. Let's vote for them. They must be really good.

But in reality it is the comception of the masses, warped and polluted of course, that keeps the current power structure in place. The ones voted in are simply pandering the best bullshit.

What's more people seem to just love the show. They love any show. Look at the entertainment industry. I don't see them looking for a bailout. Even as the kids starve they will find the money for the cable bill. Anything to escape the reality which they have wrought. As long as they can avoid reaping that which they have sown, nothing really matters.

Until the shit hits the fan.

"Welfare checks bounce, government declares another layer of emergency powers. Any talk of a third party is now prohibited for reasons of national security. After the commercial break - where to get a great hairdo on a budget ! and then review of the new hit movie ......".

Hurry up and pee, it's time for a new hairdo.

People have spoken, with their votes, with their dollars, with their future. They love the rapture of this new age. Don't bomb my city until I get done texting my sister. Don't shoot me until this song is over. "God" help me to stay healthy for the end of the movie.

In some ways they are doing exactly what the people want. In all the radical, patriot, or even racist sites, people or whatever I have had any contact with, they do the same thing. One side slants it one way and another side slants it the other way. It's as if they are in a lying contest and the winner is the one who gets caught last. However the knuckle draggers came up with a very interesting word - sheeple.

Those blessed with some command of the English language know exactly what it means. And those who can see know how big a problem it really is.

T

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RE: A Lie to Pose an Interesting Question - 11/23/2009 8:42:31 AM

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Bloody hell, I agree with Termyn8or on something. Anybody whose capable of using somebody else's misery for a publicity gimmick is a piece of shit the world would be better off without.

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RE: A Lie to Pose an Interesting Question - 11/23/2009 9:25:17 AM

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Moon, hey, just shows to go ya, anything can happen.

The real problem is that the bullshit works.

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RE: A Lie to Pose an Interesting Question - 11/23/2009 11:44:11 AM

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Depressing, isn't it?

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RE: A Lie to Pose an Interesting Question - 11/24/2009 7:08:18 AM

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Compare and contrast with this:

Elvis Presley used to donate $50,000 to 50 local Memphis charitable organizations in amount of $1000 each (back in the days when those amounts were still significant). He never claimed those donations as tax deductions. It was his belief that doing such would not be in the spirit of giving.

I would vote for Elvis over most of the other poor choices we're served up at election time. Weekly World News, before they went out of business, frequently had stories about him living in Minnesota working as a bagger at a local grocery store.

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RE: A Lie to Pose an Interesting Question - 11/24/2009 12:53:02 PM

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Compare and contrast with this:

Elvis Presley used to donate $50,000 to 50 local Memphis charitable organizations in amount of $1000 each (back in the days when those amounts were still significant). He never claimed those donations as tax deductions. It was his belief that doing such would not be in the spirit of giving.

I would vote for Elvis over most of the other poor choices we're served up at election time. Weekly World News, before they went out of business, frequently had stories about him living in Minnesota working as a bagger at a local grocery store.

Uncle Nasty

Absolutely right. I was not taking a pop at Elvis, who by all the accounts I've ever read was a very generous and good hearted man. As you say, he did that out of a moral conviction, rather than an assumption that the press would write about it and kiss his arse over it.
Now compare his conduct to that of (say) Phil Collins who could easily double the profits of all of the celebrity begathons he's taken part in over the last twenty years if he donated himself instead of expecting other people who make less in a year than he does in a fortnight to do so because he's given up an afternoon...

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RE: A Lie to Pose an Interesting Question - 11/24/2009 2:24:14 PM

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Of course, while he was generous and good hearted man, he wasnt very good at math. If he had donated and deducted $100,000 (give or take, depending on the year and the top marginal tax rate) the charities would have gotten twice as much and he would have the same net after tax, and the extra $50k would have really been partially his own money. He didnt get that "redistribution of wealth" thing.

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