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RE: How can US automakers compete with Toyota quality? - 11/26/2009 8:18:44 AM   
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Term, I bought a '61 Chevy Impala in 1969 for $275.
Sold it two years later for $150. It was a two door with a 283 engine in it and went "o.k." but of course not as good as the Mustangs and Cameros around then.
And yes, you could really "customize" cars in those days!

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RE: How can US automakers compete with Toyota quality? - 11/26/2009 10:42:00 AM   
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This is a bit of a hijack, but what lamebrain decided that Utah, Wyoming, and Colorado were not cold weather states? FFS, we have snow AND mountains that will jar a tire loose faster than flatlands.

For that matter why leave off the Dakotas?

And why be concerned about "cold weather states" rather than rainy states?  Rust is caused by moisture, not cold.

Sheesh,


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RE: How can US automakers compete with Toyota quality? - 11/26/2009 10:57:12 AM   
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My father had a Fury, I think the same year, that had the push-button transmission.

I always thought those were the most amazing things.

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RE: How can US automakers compete with Toyota quality? - 11/26/2009 4:51:03 PM   
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It seems like we still think of the Japanese cars as being built in Japan, and the American cars as being built in the US.  I wonder if the problem with the Toyotas are with ones built there or here?  Toyota has had so many cross-deals with US manufacturors that I don't know that I'd trust them.

I drove Mitsubishi's for years with no problems.  They stopped importing the little trucks to the US and I had to buy a Ford pickup in 2000.  It ran for 31,000 miles. Period.  I had it fixed multiple times without luck while Ford kept telling me over and over that the Federal limit for lemon-law was 18 months so they weren't legally liable, but they'd be happy to sell me another Ford.

I switched back to Mitsubishi. But only the ones actually made primarily in Japan (you have to check the VIN to be sure.)

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RE: How can US automakers compete with Toyota quality? - 11/26/2009 5:08:32 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

This is a bit of a hijack, but what lamebrain decided that Utah, Wyoming, and Colorado were not cold weather states? FFS, we have snow AND mountains that will jar a tire loose faster than flatlands.

For that matter why leave off the Dakotas?

And why be concerned about "cold weather states" rather than rainy states?  Rust is caused by moisture, not cold.

Sheesh,



I wonder if it might be lazy reporting or sloppy editing. Could it be that those 20 cold weather states are cold weather states that use salt on their highways, and the northern states that aren't on the recall list don't?


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RE: How can US automakers compete with Toyota quality? - 11/26/2009 7:27:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: claree

It seems like we still think of the Japanese cars as being built in Japan, and the American cars as being built in the US.  I wonder if the problem with the Toyotas are with ones built there or here?  Toyota has had so many cross-deals with US manufacturors that I don't know that I'd trust them.

I drove Mitsubishi's for years with no problems.  They stopped importing the little trucks to the US and I had to buy a Ford pickup in 2000.  It ran for 31,000 miles. Period.  I had it fixed multiple times without luck while Ford kept telling me over and over that the Federal limit for lemon-law was 18 months so they weren't legally liable, but they'd be happy to sell me another Ford.

I switched back to Mitsubishi. But only the ones actually made primarily in Japan (you have to check the VIN to be sure.)


Yes, because those Japanese are such better workers than Americans. 

Even in a Japanese plant here with the same quality control standards.

If you want to go down that road maybe you should have checked to see if your Ford was made in Mexico.






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RE: How can US automakers compete with Toyota quality? - 11/26/2009 7:29:57 PM   
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Panda, if I pay twenty five grand for a pickup truck I want it as close to perfect as possible. I want to drag it through the mud and have it still run, I want it able to run on a flat, on gravel, tip over at least once and still be drivable. I don't want a shitcan that looks like a truck. I want a real truck.

And it's not only cold weather states, FL is bad too, they have that air coming in over the ocean with all that salt. Even when you go to SC to buy classic cars you do it on the west side of that state. The closer to the shore the faster they rust, and FL has plenty of shore. There are alot more places like that.

The vehicle should be designed to withstand the environment in which it is intended to be used. My Mother is enough of an engineer to tell you that. But these people don't seem to understand. Or more likely they hope it will rust out in a finite time, thus assuring them of future employment designing and building cheaper yet higher priced replacements.

I could write a book about how mankind does business, but at least half of the readers would probably commit suicide. And it's been going on for at least 5,000 years. I could be very wealthy today if that was my goal. The world is lucky that it is not.

All of these specific issues are just branches of the same tree so to speak. There is one thing that never changes, human nature.

I understand this shit and I know of what I speak. Look at any billionaire and ask yourself just how any one Man can actually earn that much money. Look at Bill Gates who is about the 200th richest Man in the world. He stole ideas, he made some really good deals, like buying DOS. He stole the GUI. Then it was no more Traffo-meter, which was his first company.

The difference between Gates and the commoner is that he knows how to get every thin dime out of everything he can get his hands on. His minions most likely visit the patent and copyright offices almost every day, in many countries.

Let's come back to the OP's title, how can the US compete ?

Right now Microsoft is no doubt churning out code, getting it ready for it's usual premature release. Making sure he gets his is part of that, the service packs do tell Microsoft.com quite a few things. Of course the way I do it is different, I download it first and then install it, but that is neither here nor there. The fact is that it has always been the same, people take what they can. Some can take more than others.

So they take the metal out of your cars and replace it with plastic. A well built truck might take three times the steel of a shitcan car. So in response to that we ship our steel, including most scrap steel (last couple years) to China so they can make money building many shitcans when we could only build what, one third as many trucks ? We need trucks to work. You ever hear of a building or a house needing repair that could be brought into a shop ? Maybe you know how to build a new builing inside a shop and just ship it out. And then there are the things that have to be moved even for service. Does the five thousand dollar bigscreen come in or do I carry ten thousand worth of equipment there ? Simple logic, it comes to me. Now if I show up in a Ford Pinto guess what happens - I don't make money.

I think there is a possibility that it is all part of a big plan. This news, regardless of how many times it has happened, THE NEWS of it is timed to coincide with other events. The public then will sway towards domestic trucks. Then whatever administration running can claim that they saved us, saved the economy or some shit.

Don't address this as a conspiracy theory, merely supposition. But if you look too much things do fall into place. For you to realize that you must know certain things. These international gangsters know no country. They don't care if they are in Austrailia or Zimbabwe, because they have enough money to make it all look the same. That needs to be understood first.

Then, they know they have enough money for the rest of their lives, but if they want to continue to play the game they need more. This is the major sign of addiction. It's like a level on a video game to them, they could be set for life but they must buy power. And their morality is indeed in question.

All this adds up to what we have today.

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