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AquaticSub -> RE: Is female dominance real? (11/30/2009 1:36:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SDFemDom4cuck

Aquatic

I'm assuming you're referring to the OP and not me. Otherwise I'm confused as to what you disagree with regarding my post?



That's why it's labeled "Fast Reply". [;)]



AquaticSub -> RE: Is female dominance real? (11/30/2009 1:39:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf
While I may believe that due to Human Evolutionary Behavior, that males have a predisposition to display and be dominant, this doe not exclude females from being dominant. I suppose believing that females can be dominant as well, means I must turn in my Gorean membership card eh?


I'll make you a really pretty, sparkly Uber-Master card to take it's place in your wallet. [:D]



AquaticSub -> RE: Is female dominance real? (11/30/2009 1:42:16 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Silence8

The original quote, I should point out, does express a coherent idea, albeit traditional. Just calling it "BS" explains nothing and tends actually to validate the quote, as if this issue is, for some of us, an ideological blind spot that we cannot treat without emotion.



I explained exactly why I feel the quote is BS. It strikes me as coming from a very insecure place. I didn't feel like writing a mini-research paper on society. Perhaps if the person in question was actually going to read it... [;)]



Sfortzando -> RE: Is female dominance real? (11/30/2009 2:41:53 PM)

I can understand where some of this may be comming from, because I feel the same when it comes to femal liberation and the sex industry. That stripper may feel powerful and in control when she has all eyes on her and is taking money from all the drunk, stupid men in the room, but the only way she makes money is if she looks sexy, and the people who decide what qualifies as sexy are men, so she's still at the mercy of male power.

However, to say that women are naturally submissive to men is ridiculous. Maybe that was true when neanderthals were walking the world, but we're a more cerebral species these days and power and dominance is more of a mind game now than a physical one. The dominant one is whoever has the arogance and will to back up their dominance, regardless of strength or gender.

Besides, implying that a woman's only means of dominance is through her sexuality and ability to seduce men, and that that form of dominance is false would then imply that male dominance is outside of or seperate from their sexuality. I would definitely disagree with that premise. Men use sexuality as a form of dominance, especially amongst eachother, all of the time. The best looking man with the most defined muscles and the biggest cock is generally assumed to be top dog in locker room heirarchy, and I defy you to find a man who thinks he is submissive to women when he uses his looks to get a date.

So yes, female dominance is real.



AquaticSub -> RE: Is female dominance real? (11/30/2009 3:11:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Sfortzando

I can understand where some of this may be comming from, because I feel the same when it comes to femal liberation and the sex industry. That stripper may feel powerful and in control when she has all eyes on her and is taking money from all the drunk, stupid men in the room, but the only way she makes money is if she looks sexy, and the people who decide what qualifies as sexy are men, so she's still at the mercy of male power.



Same thing with male dancers and women who watch them. However, each person decides what is sexy. I love female strip clubs and have seen a good variety of body types and women who really know how to dress their figure for their body type.



Sfortzando -> RE: Is female dominance real? (11/30/2009 3:20:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

Same thing with male dancers and women who watch them. However, each person decides what is sexy.


That may be true on an individual level, but looking at western scociety as a whole, men are the ones calling the shots as to what's sexy and what isn't. It's changing, but slowly.



Venatrix -> RE: Is female dominance real? (11/30/2009 3:37:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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ORIGINAL: SimplyIsaac

 functional parts on men correspond to pleasure parts for women.



Really?  How romantic!  By email or by post?


I'd like to preposition you:  SI said 'correspond to', not 'correspond with'.



PeonForHer -> RE: Is female dominance real? (11/30/2009 3:47:52 PM)

Neither wardrobes nor fruitbats wilt in the midday sun, V. 



PeonForHer -> RE: Is female dominance real? (11/30/2009 3:49:14 PM)

Also, since you're a woman, I don't have to listen to your opinion.



SimplyIsaac -> RE: Is female dominance real? (11/30/2009 3:59:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Venatrix

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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ORIGINAL: SimplyIsaac

functional parts on men correspond to pleasure parts for women.



Really? How romantic! By email or by post?


I'd like to preposition you: SI said 'correspond to', not 'correspond with'.


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

Neither wardrobes nor fruitbats wilt in the midday sun, V.



Babbling purple monkeys fall from a midday cloud of hot air said the man with the stellar back and no comebacks.



Venatrix -> RE: Is female dominance real? (11/30/2009 4:16:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

Also, since you're a woman, I don't have to listen to your opinion.


I doubt very much if you'd listen to it if I were a man, either.  By the way, you might want to check your hovercraft.  It could be full of eels.



PeonForHer -> RE: Is female dominance real? (11/30/2009 4:19:42 PM)

Woah!  'The man with the stellar back"?  Steady, Isaac, steady . . .




PeonForHer -> RE: Is female dominance real? (11/30/2009 4:22:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Venatrix

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

Also, since you're a woman, I don't have to listen to your opinion.


I doubt very much if you'd listen to it if I were a man, either.  By the way, you might want to check your hovercraft.  It could be full of eels.


It is full of eels!  How the feck did you know that?!



LadyHibiscus -> RE: Is female dominance real? (11/30/2009 4:25:04 PM)

DemonKia told her!

It is SO reassuring and restful to be fake, imaginary, and unreal to boot!



Venatrix -> RE: Is female dominance real? (11/30/2009 4:26:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

Woah!  'The man with the stellar back"?  Steady, Isaac, steady . . .



I don't know about 'stellar' - I was thinking it looked more like 'solar.'

Edited to add:  Is this the male version of a cat fight?



Lashra -> RE: Is female dominance real? (11/30/2009 5:23:04 PM)

Female Dominance is as real as male dominance, female submission, male submission, switches and the list goes on. Everyone has their own interpretation of what each one of these labels mean to them. Gender has absolutely nothing to do with a persons D or s orientation.

Personally I am dominant because I make my own decisions, lead my relationships, run my household, bring home the bacon and protect whats mine.

People question female dominance, but what they fail to realize is that dominant women have our own way of leading and while some recognize and accept it, others just don't understand it because they compare it to the way a male leads. We may both be dominant but that does not mean we will lead the same way.

I think my sig line sums it up pretty well.

Just my two cents,
~Lashra



QueenPenelope -> RE: Is female dominance real? (11/30/2009 5:43:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MoxieRed

I'm not really a Domme, but...

Personally, I can rumble with the best of 'em, so I give no credence to the fact that, just because he possesses a penis, that makes him stronger than me in any sense.

Secondly, dominance can take many forms. To sound cliche, it's up to those involved to decide what works for them.

This person sounds, to me, like they came out of 1962 with the "women's place is submission" talk. But I don't buy into people telling me what I'm born for.



I agree with MoxieRed. I can rumble as well.

If the poster of that journal doesn't like it no one is forcing him to be here or be submissive. That also speaks volumes of insecurity and jealousy. But like I always say, I wont argue with no one who can find the door on their own.



AquaticSub -> RE: Is female dominance real? (12/1/2009 4:01:16 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Sfortzando

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

Same thing with male dancers and women who watch them. However, each person decides what is sexy.


That may be true on an individual level, but looking at western scociety as a whole, men are the ones calling the shots as to what's sexy and what isn't. It's changing, but slowly.



Eh... I think women call the shots on what is sexy as we  hold each other to a particular standard and compete. Men reflect back what we've presented as attractive.



blackpearl81 -> RE: Is female dominance real? (12/1/2009 5:57:14 PM)

Given the way I've seen some "real life" Dommes act, I'm starting to question it myself, tbh.

My personal favorite, are the "do as i say, not as I do" types.



Sfortzando -> RE: Is female dominance real? (12/1/2009 8:35:33 PM)



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ORIGINAL: blackpearl81

Given the way I've seen some "real life" Dommes act, I'm starting to question it myself, tbh.
My personal favorite, are the "do as i say, not as I do" types.


That's not gender-specific behavior, though. That's hypocracy, and I pray for your continued attatchment to your testicles that you are not implying women are, by nature, hypocrites. I see Dommes, Doms, and male and female subs alike play 'do as I say, not as I do' games all the time. What I fail to see is your point.



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