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RE: Economically inspired subs - 11/30/2009 8:13:01 PM   
trealeon


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ORIGINAL: Underumam

lol. This is a humorous topic...I'd say that there are just as many Dominants who want the subs to pay them "tributes" and be their atm sluts as there are subbies who want to be kept. I guess sooner or later that subbies would follow suit. lol.


Yes someone mentioned that previously in the thread. I have to say, even though I'm not surprised (because really nothing is surprising) I've just never heard of something like that. The idea of a sub taking complete care of me as some type of "tribute" or "because I'm your master you must do all the work while I sit at home with my feet up" is really foreign to me. I can't fathom it. Can anyone shed any light on this as something that might be a little more viable (as opposed to a guy just trying to force a girl to give him a free ride)?

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RE: Economically inspired subs - 11/30/2009 8:15:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

I want a sugardaddy! Well, I want the sugar...

There are a lot of dommes who post profiles on Sugardaddy-type web sites.  I can report that at least one such site is a good place to meet people, even if you're not loaded.  There are a lot of women who want to be treated decently by a guy.  It's not just "gold diggers."  It's a good place to find women who identify as sub, too.  I don't consider wanting a safe financial situation to be anti-subbly.


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RE: Economically inspired subs - 11/30/2009 8:17:09 PM   
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Just to say it's nothing new and nothing to do with D/s really. My great grandmother raised 6 kids and worked three jobs since my great grandfather refused to do anything except eat, drink (Not most sweet tea either), fuck, and beat on people. They were vanilla as could be. Some people are just losers, pain and simple. I have NO respect for a man that doesn't contribute to his household and is more than able to do so. I didn't say work, mind you, but contribute.

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RE: Economically inspired subs - 11/30/2009 10:34:55 PM   
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Money = Power and a big turn on for some people.

Supporting someone financially must be a big buzz in many ways, and must touch feelings of control and power (or lack of) on so many levels.
Possibly supporting a dom is sort of like keeping control or making sure they will always be there for you.



If you are into/willing/able to support someone financially, and do, it does give satisfaction to be able to serve (or "keep" your property) in this way, but certainly does not give one any control or power, nor a guarantee that person will always be there. Money CANNOT buy everything.

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RE: Economically inspired subs - 12/1/2009 4:06:32 AM   
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ORIGINAL: AnthonyAinley

Of course, once you start doing something you enjoy for a living, it isn't as much fun anymore. That's what I've discovered in time.


Such a good point and something my youngest sister has discovered. Her dream job, to train horses, now that she is doing it daily, all day, and getting paid well for it.......not nearly as much fun as it was to dream about while she was doing it for fun and bitching about her less than dreamy job.

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RE: Economically inspired subs - 12/1/2009 4:49:02 AM   
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If you become a sugardaddy, or you're a sub with considerable "resources" as they like to put it... it's not a bed of roses. Both have the same worry that niggles at them constantly. "am i loved for myself.. if i didn't have the money.. would she/he stay with me." The amount of time that the one cared for--has to spend--on reassurance.. is amazing.

Yeah I know. hard to imagine that pots of money carries with it a burden, most people would say--hey I'll suffer a bit, hand over the cash. What they don't realize is how much it hurts to never know--for sure--that you're loved for yourself.

Comment on housewifery: I really loved my children--being with them, so the times I spent caring for many kidlets.. whew i loved it. But only the caring for the kids part...the rest-- I was so crap at it .. i just hate all phases of housework cause I am not good at it. I don't seem to have improved much at any of it.

My children are wonderful with their homes--I love to visit them as I taught them somehow how to keep sparkly clean, tidy homes. Sometimes they come over and clean mine up for me!

I had high-powered, high-pressure jobs, but never one as difficult and nasty as trying to be a good housewife. My hat's off to all who do it well and are happy in it.

3rd comment re OP.. I met this very nice guy.. about a year ago.. and what a great play partner he is. He was new in my town with a super new job and I commented that it seemed like very good luck to get such a great position in the down economy. He also soon found a super gf/domme. Well, all it all fell to pieces, and he called me up to see if I would "punish" him. Happy to do so. However, I had the thought--if I hadn't met him, if I didn't know what a great person he is--would I want to get acquainted with someone who is so.. down.. on both his luck and his near-future. I have a sad feeling that if he weren't already my friend, I would look sideways at this situation and not get acquainted.

I think that many people who are out of jobs and wondering where their next dime is coming from--and where they'll sleep next month--don't appear that appealing to a potential new partner--how could they? they are so not at their best with all the stress and genuine fears. Kind of a warning to hang onto your good friends cause you maybe need them when the luck turns.

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RE: Economically inspired subs - 12/1/2009 5:00:30 AM   
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ORIGINAL: AnnaOfAramis

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On the other hand, you do realize that historically many people became slaves or indentured servants precisely because they did become impoverished? And nowadays there are still people who do self-sales due to financial hardship. Just food for thought.

anna


I think many of them started out impoverished, and indentured servitude was one of the few ways to advance. It was certainly a common way to gain passage to the new world and learn a trade. Indentured servitude has an ugly history because the contracts were unclear or unenforceable. But the basic idea that you trade your labor for cash is, obviously, unobjectionable. It's also, obviously, not romantic or approaching the degree of trust and intimacy necessary for a deeper bdsm dynamic. Perhaps I should have characterized it as too mercantile rather than too mercenary.

For the record, if any wealthy doms out there are looking - I can play perfect service sub housewife for a year if you want to pay off my student loans.

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RE: Economically inspired subs - 12/1/2009 8:46:30 AM   
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I did both. I was the stay at home mom and later, the one who worked and still did all the rest of the things I did when I was a stay at home mom. Either way it was difficult. But, I will always be glad that when the first job was done, that I had the ability to carry on with the second part because I was determined always to be prepared. Many people (as explained in his post, and so many other financial posts before), choose bdsm as an escape. The danger in this is when things end. Sad as it is to say, finding jobs is not as easy when you are older and there is a lapse of work history to explain. Somehow many employers lack the ability to view homemakng as a job, so no matter how much it should be recognised, I don't think it will ever reach that level of respect.



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ORIGINAL: lovingpet

My frustration lies with this strange idea people have that staying at home and doing the domestic side of things is so much easier than having a job. It just isn't so. It is a mistake men in my life have made too to think that only their day could be exaughsting, frustrating, etc. I am so thankful for my psych degree every time I have to outmanuever my kids or work out a deal with the neighbors for a much needed outing over the weekend. I am quite content with being the one that stays home, but I do appreciate simple recognition that what I do matters.


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RE: Economically inspired subs - 12/1/2009 8:50:11 AM   
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One thing that has irked me since the relative change of the environment here on CM, is that there are increasing numbers of Pros...not just tributes or sugars...but blatant pros.  And though it bothers me about blatant pros, what bothers me more is opportunists who have no clue what they are doing and just feel there is a ripe bunch of pansies for plucking.   There is one that disturbs me:  ...."I'm inexperienced, but I know what you want..."  Yeah.  Right.  Sounds like not only is the love of the lifestyle reduced to monetary gain, but now safety is compromised.  I thought it was Safe, Sane, and Consensual, not something just one level below one of those commercials ...'where you to can get an exciting career in the ___________arts / field..."  For goodness sake!   It's not just an adventure...and it certainly shouldn't be some half-assed money-making opportunity. 

I know it may be a little off-topic from the thread, but felt it was relevant on some level.  However a little more on the topic,  I have seen only a couple of the new "tribute subs" lurking about once in a while.  These lovelies are asking for tribute to have the honor of serving a deserving dominant.  WTF?  A pro-sub?  Maybe a pro-stitute?  I'd like to think I looking at this the wrong way, but so far I can't another way.


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RE: Economically inspired subs - 12/1/2009 9:07:42 AM   
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They just want looking after? Send me a couple of young blond babes and i'll look after them!

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RE: Economically inspired subs - 12/1/2009 9:08:24 AM   
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ORIGINAL: AnimusRex

Yeah, it happens a lot- people venture into BDSM relationships to conceal or try to medicate underlying disfunction. It happens with both genders, on both sides of the kneel:

"I am a Goddess, so I do not intend to work or do housework. you will pay the bills and keep the house, you worm."
"I am a Master, so you will keep an outside job, turn over your paychecks to me, keep the house, and fetch me a beer, bitch."
"I am a pleasure slave, not a service maid. I need to be kept as Your prized jewel, constantly ready to give you pleasure in every way."
"I am a submissive boy, and am so devoted to You, my Goddess, that I intend to remain curled up in Your bed 24/7, willing to have sex with you in any position at a moment's notice."

These are all things I have heard or witnessed even before the economy tanked. I can only imagine it has gotten worse.
They all fall in the category of "nice work if you can get it."



Ditto what he said.


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RE: Economically inspired subs - 12/1/2009 9:35:38 AM   
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I've done both too. I know perfectly well that keeping a home and children will never pitch the same respect and be viewed as beneficial to the workforce, but that says more about society as a whole than it does the importance of doing such.

I have kind of had to take a step back on the escapism issue a little bit. For the most part, I still believe using bdsm or any number of other things as an escape from the realities of life is not healthy and will not result in a positive outcome. Keeping that in mind, however, I do think that many people who enter do so realizing there is something they are doing and have to maintain that isn't working. Something is sucking the life out of people. When all is said and done, the changes that need to occur may look very much like escapism. As a matter of fact, it is escapism of the survival variety. In the case of a submissive as in the OP, this may be breaking from a formal work environment or going to an independent work environment because the person may be very exploitable. A submissive may have trouble keeping decision making and priorities free of emotional baggage. A submissive may wander into abusive situations with family, friends, and intimates more easily. These are not to be taken as true for any or all submissives. I will say they are and were very true of me. If I am judging someone, then I am judging myself. The point is that my relationship with my partner does and will address these matters in a way that allows me to be free of the damaging effects these traits can produce in my life. Maybe I should be a better human being and overcome my own innate traits by sheer force of my own will, but that hasn't worked out so well for me so far. We choose partners in life, hopefully, based on the idea that we not only share a lot in common, but that our differences compliment each other. He is strong where I am weak and I excel in areas that give him difficulty. As much as it is a benefit to me to work on my weak areas, there is no reason not to have some support along the way (emotional, etc, not money to clarify). There is a certain escapism to being free to be exactly who you are and being able to thrive because another is able to close the gaps. I close some gaps for him as well. There is nothing wrong with trading pain for joy.

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Missokyst

I did both. I was the stay at home mom and later, the one who worked and still did all the rest of the things I did when I was a stay at home mom. Either way it was difficult. But, I will always be glad that when the first job was done, that I had the ability to carry on with the second part because I was determined always to be prepared. Many people (as explained in his post, and so many other financial posts before), choose bdsm as an escape. The danger in this is when things end. Sad as it is to say, finding jobs is not as easy when you are older and there is a lapse of work history to explain. Somehow many employers lack the ability to view homemakng as a job, so no matter how much it should be recognised, I don't think it will ever reach that level of respect.



quote:

ORIGINAL: lovingpet

My frustration lies with this strange idea people have that staying at home and doing the domestic side of things is so much easier than having a job. It just isn't so. It is a mistake men in my life have made too to think that only their day could be exaughsting, frustrating, etc. I am so thankful for my psych degree every time I have to outmanuever my kids or work out a deal with the neighbors for a much needed outing over the weekend. I am quite content with being the one that stays home, but I do appreciate simple recognition that what I do matters.





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RE: Economically inspired subs - 12/1/2009 2:41:50 PM   
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For me I guess there is a distinct line between finding the "right" one and then after the fact, her staying at home because that's what she truly wanted and then just finding someone who's only criteria is that I will take care of them financially and then (as someone else put it) they'll "be whatever I wan them to be".

I've really enjoyed reading all of the different points of view.

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