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RE: Is Huckabee done as a Pres.candidate - 12/1/2009 11:55:07 AM   
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True, but I think he did make more than a few token concessions.

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RE: Is Huckabee done as a Pres.candidate - 12/1/2009 11:59:55 AM   
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Maybe Clinton should have had a little more religon in his life. He was morally bankrupt.

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RE: Is Huckabee done as a Pres.candidate - 12/1/2009 12:08:14 PM   
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RE: Is Huckabee done as a Pres.candidate - 12/1/2009 12:08:15 PM   
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I have the most charming image of you wearing an "I'm with stupid"  arrow tshirt.

Really? How nice for you to want to see me wear that that shirt!
Your focus on me is flattering - but you walking beside me while wearing the shirt you suggest just isn't going to happen; no matter how accurate the image it would represent.
Although I do enjoy humiliation play! Well.... let me think about it, maybe if you buy the shirt and deliver it naked I'd consider it!

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So... I take it you haven't heard of Wayne Dumond?


Wanted to make sure your question was taken in the proper context; otherwise you just don't get the right perspective about the question and the question's source. What good is an answer without it?


Yes - I have heard of Wayne Dumond. It's been part of just about every news story coming out about about Huckabee and Clemmons; showing a pattern of pardoning criminals. Since pointing it out would serve only to give another example of the stupidity already better illustrated by Clemmons I saw no need to reference it. I said Huckabee is done. Was another example necessary? His history of pardons, Dumond and Clemmons being only the most 'criminal' examples in my opinion; disqualified him from consideration before now. Apparently he carries pardons in his pocket to give out as favors.

Giving the same attitude that has been given; have you ever heard of Keith Richards? He too got a Hucabee pardon; so did a lot of people. The Associated Press in 2007 calculated that Huckabee granted a clemency once every four days while in office, a rate greater than his peers.

It caught up with him. Two cases in the extreme, I'm fairly confident (feel free to do your own research after you've shopped for my shirt) that among the others pardoned you can find more crimes committed.

I thought my original post was clear. Huckabee should have never been considered as a Presidential candidate - he was, he won't ever be again.

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RE: Is Huckabee done as a Pres.candidate - 12/1/2009 12:14:50 PM   
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Maybe Clinton should have had a little more religon in his life. He was morally bankrupt.


morally bankrupt compared with which scion of morals?

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RE: Is Huckabee done as a Pres.candidate - 12/1/2009 12:26:04 PM   
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Reagan, probably.

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RE: Is Huckabee done as a Pres.candidate - 12/1/2009 12:30:41 PM   
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All I can say is.  "I sure as hell hope so.  We dont need a preacher as president"

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RE: Is Huckabee done as a Pres.candidate - 12/1/2009 12:52:44 PM   
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So... I take it you haven't heard of Wayne Dumond?


Wanted to make sure your question was taken in the proper context; otherwise you just don't get the right perspective about the question and the question's source. What good is an answer without it?


Well, actually, your answer to the question stands alone. It really doesn't matter who asked the question. And it's pretty funny that you felt that "context" demanded that you repeat all your lame attempts at trash talk but left out, you know, all the points I made about how this is not really news about Huckabee and wondering why this time is different, such that he is, in your opinion, toast as a presidential candidate.


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Yes - I have heard of Wayne Dumond. It's been part of just about every news story coming out about about Huckabee and Clemmons; showing a pattern of pardoning criminals. Since pointing it out would serve only to give another example of the stupidity already better illustrated by Clemmons I saw no need to reference it.


Ok. Had you heard of Dumond prior to 2008? The story was widely reported in December of 2007, and locally reported much earlier.

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I said Huckabee is done. Was another example necessary?

It's not that another example is necessary. What is necessary is to account for why this latest example is going to be the one that kills Huckabee's chances when the previous example, known before the 2008 primaries, had no such effect.

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His history of pardons, Dumond and Clemmons being only the most 'criminal' examples in my opinion; disqualified him from consideration before now. Apparently he carries pardons in his pocket to give out as favors.


I thought the point was a broader "Huckabee is done," as in - most voters will reject him for this - not "I, Merc, consider Huckabee disqualified."

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Giving the same attitude that has been given; have you ever heard of Keith Richards? He too got a Hucabee pardon; so did a lot of people. The Associated Press in 2007 calculated that Huckabee granted a clemency once every four days while in office, a rate greater than his peers. 


Attitude, eh? How about stringing together a point? Do you think the American people are going to reject Huckabee based on the Keith Richards pardon? Do you consider pardoning Richards the equivalent of setting Dumond loose?

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It caught up with him. Two cases in the extreme, I'm fairly confident (feel free to do your own research after you've shopped for my shirt) that among the others pardoned you can find more crimes committed.


The man's been out of office since before the last primary. Is there some reason we'd start checking just now on how many crimes have been committed by those he's pardoned? (and grab a sock out of the laundry and get over your tshirt fantasy)

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I thought my original post was clear. Huckabee should have never been considered as a Presidential candidate - he was, he won't ever be again.


I agree that he never should have been considered a presidential candidate. I'm just skeptical that he never will be again. Given time, I don't see why his "values" voters won't be able to gloss over the death of four cops just like they glossed over the brutal rape and murder of two women when they voted for him in 08. Seriously, standing on the outside of the republican party, it's kind of difficult to imagine the hypocrisy the 28 percenters won't forgive in one of "their" guys.

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RE: Is Huckabee done as a Pres.candidate - 12/1/2009 1:04:11 PM   
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Wow,when you put it that way Lucienne it does seem to make some sense.A sick twisted but almost undeniable sense.Huckabee was never my idea of Presidential material...hell the evidence of the last election's primary season is that he wasn't even the Republicans idea of a candidate....But he most certainly was the religious right's idea of a candidate.
Now that ,thank god(pun intended), will never be enough to get him nominated....but unfortunately it just might be enough to gain him a seat at the table when policy is discussed.That in itself is criminal...and should not be pardoned.

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RE: Is Huckabee done as a Pres.candidate - 12/1/2009 2:23:04 PM   
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He said today on  radio in los ngeles,that he got the recommendation from  a Judge and the board 5=0,he is done,jack,los ngeles

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RE: Is Huckabee done as a Pres.candidate - 12/1/2009 2:25:07 PM   
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Huckabee's won't be heard from again - other than as a reference for pardoning criminals. The ex-Arkansas governor said that Clemmons was a “misguided fool” when he committed the crimes and “learned through the school of hard knocks to appreciate and respect the rights of others.” Clemmons will forever be associated with Huckabee as Willie Horton was connected with Michael Dukakis. Another indication of the similarity between the parties.

Other repercussions? Well, I hope there isn't anyone with family or friends up for parole or pardon; isn't setting an extra plate for the holidays.

It will be an interesting dilemma to address by both camps in the death penalty / clemency debate. If his 108 year sentence wasn't commuted, 4 police officers would be planning to celebrate their holidays with their families instead of their families planning their funeral. But there are no 'bad' people in the world right? Only bad circumstances, poor upbringing, social injustice and other factors out of the control of the criminal. So Huckabee was doing the 'Christian' thing - forgiving and giving another chance. I guess that all qualifies him as a liberal. Could he change his party napkin color and run as a Democrat?

I remember a woman in Texas, Karla Faye Tucker, who killed a couple of people with a pick ax and played up her 'born again Christian' status to try and avoid the death penalty. Although clemency was denied, it raised a point that goes back to the Christian practice of the 'Inquisition'. Under the torture of living under a death sentence, the now renamed 'victim', recanted her past actions "accepted god in her life" and confessed to her sins. Fortunately, despite the cries from fellow Christians, born again or not, she was executed; with god in her heart and a pure, clean soul. As was the case of Winston Smith in the last page of Orwell's 1984; she should have been grateful to her executioner since she died with the unqualified belief in 'Big Brother' and all He represented as fact.

Not only is Huckabee a non-factor in future elections. He has done for 'Christian' forgiveness what the global warming religion has done to science.


Agreed. One down one to go. Did SP pardon anybody? <wishful thinking>

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RE: Is Huckabee done as a Pres.candidate - 12/1/2009 2:34:38 PM   
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I can see where you're coming from, but I get the impression there's a lot of your fellow countrymen who just want some cretin who's going to parrot a load of the crap the Religious right wants them to say. I think that was sarah palin's main selling point, wasn't it? Can't imagine what anybody else saw in her unless they liked her bum...


Moon, dunno.
I just want a quiet, efficient manager in the White House.
No "dinners", no being on the news everyday, no "photo ops" hell, I'd be happy if they were only on the news once a year during the state of the union address.
I don't need to know anything about their "family" or where their kids go to school or even if they have any kids.
This "president as celebrity" is totally lost on me. Just run the country!


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RE: Is Huckabee done as a Pres.candidate - 12/1/2009 2:38:45 PM   
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I can see where you're coming from, but I get the impression there's a lot of your fellow countrymen who just want some cretin who's going to parrot a load of the crap the Religious right wants them to say. I think that was sarah palin's main selling point, wasn't it? Can't imagine what anybody else saw in her unless they liked her bum...


Moon, dunno.
I just want a quiet, efficient manager in the White House.
No "dinners", no being on the news everyday, no "photo ops" hell, I'd be happy if they were only on the news once a year during the state of the union address.
I don't need to know anything about their "family" or where their kids go to school or even if they have any kids.
This "president as celebrity" is totally lost on me. Just run the country!



and dont run it into the ground

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RE: Is Huckabee done as a Pres.candidate - 12/1/2009 3:11:12 PM   
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I can see where you're coming from, but I get the impression there's a lot of your fellow countrymen who just want some cretin who's going to parrot a load of the crap the Religious right wants them to say. I think that was sarah palin's main selling point, wasn't it? Can't imagine what anybody else saw in her unless they liked her bum...


Moon, dunno.
I just want a quiet, efficient manager in the White House.
No "dinners", no being on the news everyday, no "photo ops" hell, I'd be happy if they were only on the news once a year during the state of the union address.
I don't need to know anything about their "family" or where their kids go to school or even if they have any kids.
This "president as celebrity" is totally lost on me. Just run the country!



I miss the Kennedy days. The WH should have had a revolving door for the "women" that came and went... but it wasnt talked about because, honestly, it didnt matter. The children were discussed.. briefly. I dont believe i ever knew where they went to school.

It seems in the last 30 years or so nothing has been off limits... everything is open for discussion... and being discussed quite freely, frankly and completely. Who is to blame? The news media.

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RE: Is Huckabee done as a Pres.candidate - 12/1/2009 3:16:40 PM   
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I can see where you're coming from, but I get the impression there's a lot of your fellow countrymen who just want some cretin who's going to parrot a load of the crap the Religious right wants them to say. I think that was sarah palin's main selling point, wasn't it? Can't imagine what anybody else saw in her unless they liked her bum...


Moon, dunno.
I just want a quiet, efficient manager in the White House.
No "dinners", no being on the news everyday, no "photo ops" hell, I'd be happy if they were only on the news once a year during the state of the union address.
I don't need to know anything about their "family" or where their kids go to school or even if they have any kids.
This "president as celebrity" is totally lost on me. Just run the country!



I miss the Kennedy days. The WH should have had a revolving door for the "women" that came and went... but it wasnt talked about because, honestly, it didnt matter. The children were discussed.. briefly. I dont believe i ever knew where they went to school.

It seems in the last 30 years or so nothing has been off limits... everything is open for discussion... and being discussed quite freely, frankly and completely. Who is to blame? The news media.


I miss them too. the last conservative democrat

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RE: Is Huckabee done as a Pres.candidate - 12/1/2009 3:26:04 PM   
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ROFLMAO.....if Kennedy was alive and in office today you would be ripping his "socialist" agenda apart.

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RE: Is Huckabee done as a Pres.candidate - 12/1/2009 3:27:47 PM   
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who was the last concervative republican president? was there even one? Ike, maybe but lotsa problems with that............

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RE: Is Huckabee done as a Pres.candidate - 12/1/2009 3:48:16 PM   
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It will certainly eliminate any possibility of an endorsement from the police union. I thought Huckabee was pretty much already done as a presidential candidate.

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RE: Is Huckabee done as a Pres.candidate - 12/1/2009 4:53:23 PM   
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Am I the only one that gets a kind of "weaselly, used car salesman" vibe from Huckabee?

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RE: Is Huckabee done as a Pres.candidate - 12/1/2009 4:59:53 PM   
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Am I the only one that gets a kind of "weaselly, used car salesman" vibe from Huckabee?



It's called being a Republican.

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