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ORIGINAL: Fitznicely



The SM vision of 50's household, where the meek mild wifey obeys her husband's every whim, keeps a perfect house and caters to his every need....well, let me say, if my girl ever had dinner waiting when I got in, with pipe, newspaper and slippers, she'd get a god almighty whipping for it! Not a nice one!

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ORIGINAL: breatheasone

Geez i'm glad my husband doesn't mind being greeted at the end of the day, and having dinner waiting. Either that, or he's a masochist, and hasn't said anything for the last 26 years.

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ORIGINAL: Elisabella

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I think it depends on what you mean by "50's household" - if you mean "he works outside the house and she works in the house and sometimes I get to put on cute aprons" then there could be any dynamic you want.

If you're trying to get into a 50's mindset, well there weren't many 1950's slaves who did everything their husband told them to do...50's housewives could and did say no, and sometimes when they said 'yes dear' they were really just planning how to get him to change his mind.

I think any housewife alive in the 50's would go absolutely mad if she had to obey everything her husband said.

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ORIGINAL: Hierodule

Elisabella,

you make a good point which is why I wrote this:

"the role of a 50s house wife (idealized/fetishized for this century version)"

The truth is that many 50's housewives were not happy. And of course, my goal in my relationships to first of all make my partner happy and to be happy myself. Of course there will be bad times there is no reason why both partners can't be generally happy within their chosen roles.

My grandmother, who raised me, was expected to get married and it was taken for granted that she would stay home and raise her family. She could have rebelled, but it would have been against everything she believed in and was expected of her. Even though she taught me how to help around the house with ironing and cooking, she always siad "Honey NEVER get married. Do something with your life don't end up like me."

She got married in 1948. So she was a real 50's housewife, and she was miserable. While I learned a lot from her, the main difference between her and I is choice. I went to college, had an equal marriage which didn't work out, and I have worked and had my own place where I lived alone. I know what its like to be independent and I know its not for me. She never had the chance to explore independence. Maybe she would have enjoyed it. I, personally, find it alienating and unsatisfying. 

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ORIGINAL: Elisabella

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I think it depends on what you mean by "50's household" - if you mean "he works outside the house and she works in the house and sometimes I get to put on cute aprons" then there could be any dynamic you want.

If you're trying to get into a 50's mindset, well there weren't many 1950's slaves who did everything their husband told them to do...50's housewives could and did say no, and sometimes when they said 'yes dear' they were really just planning how to get him to change his mind.

I think any housewife alive in the 50's would go absolutely mad if she had to obey everything her husband said.

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ORIGINAL: Hierodule

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ORIGINAL: Hierodule

I was thinking about how the role of a 50s house wife (idealized/fetishized for this century version) might conflict with the what a lot of Masters consider to be an appropriate role for a slave. I understand that a slave's role is what ever their Master says it is. But do any of you Masters, personally, have an issue with your slave doing the duties of a 50s housewife which require some self-determination and decision making skills?

for example:

Making, and submitting to her husband, a budget for food and household items

Taking charge of, and pride in, decorating the house

Making her own schedule for chores that may only need to be done weekly, monthly, or annually,

Raising, teaching and disciplining children

Planning parties

I feel that one of the trade-offs for a housewife was that,while her husband had complete authority over her, she was in charge of the day to day workings of the house. As long as the home was clean, the husband fed, and their guests happy, He didn't bother with things like what color the tea towels should be.

Its not the 50s any more so a 50's household can be whatever you want it to be. Just as slavery is illegal, and defined by its participants. But I was wondering, does your personal idea of a 50's household conflict with your personal idea of a M/s relationship?