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RE: subs Craving Strap ons and "forced" bi sc... - 9/13/2004 11:22:29 AM   
stef


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ORIGINAL: MistressMisty122

no, the fact is that I DO understand that mostr men are closet fags...

Most men are heterosexual. What is it that leads you to believe anything different?

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just like Mistress Zanthia said she lost subs to "bi curious or bi sexual" guys who were just looking to be "forced" into performing with other men.

Yes. She said "I lost more than one submissive to the gay side via giving them permission or forcing them to do bi stuff."

I'm not arguing the fact that there are closeted individuals why have a hard time getting over some internalized shame over having sex with other men. That is, however, a gargantuan leap in logic from your assertion that "most men are closet fags".

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I will not explain anything else to you bc you obviously dont understand what Im talking about here...which leads ME to question why you would even respond...

You haven't *yet* explained anything, other than your obvious problem with any man who might like anal sex via a strap-on, his sexual preference notwithstanding.

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you obviously just want to argue, which is a waste of my energy.

If I just wanted to argue, I would say that you were a wingnut and be done with you. I'm genuinely interested in how you came to your interesting beliefs.

~stef

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RE: subs Craving Strap ons and "forced" bi sc... - 9/13/2004 5:40:26 PM   
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no, the fact is that I DO understand that mostr men are closet fags


I'd like to get some actual references on this fact please.

I find it the best way to show yourself as ignorant is to post broad sweeping statements that have no leg to stand on.

Stef's post was well positioned and articulate.

In a mere 3 little posts, all you have done is come on here and judge practices that a great deal of people on this network find enjoyable.

Get over yourself.

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RE: subs Craving Strap ons and "forced" bi sc... - 9/13/2004 9:18:57 PM   
sknstraponlady


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Status: offline 		I dont know about most men, seems like categorzing and a closed mind to me, But speaking for myself i am very straight and not interested in other men. But, I would love to experience a strapon from a woman. From what i have heard the prostate gland is the male equivalent of the female G-spot. So why wouldnt a male enjoy a strapon, dildo, or even fingers touching his G-spot. I cant wait to experience it, and unbelievably i have no interest in other men.
Alot of it is self confidence and being comfortable with your sexuality in my opinion. I love sex with woman, but Im also comfortable with a woman using a strapon on me. Just because i want to experience something that is pleasurable, in the same areas as a gay person goes,doesnt make me a closet gay. it makes me self confident.,with myself and sexuality.
By your statement it seems to me that you are the one who is unclear on your sexuality and and fighting against this so hard because you dont want to accept the fact that you might want to experience the gay lifestyle. Again i think its black and white thinking and categoring to say most men are closet fags, but if you choose to say most men, I assume your including yourself?

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RE: subs Craving Strap ons and "forced" bi sc... - 9/14/2004 7:07:48 PM   
TheRedDIva


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Status: offline 		My experience with submissive males who crave anal play or strap ons from their Mistresses is that it makes them feel the most submissive and powerless. Their Mistress is in complete control of them which satisfies the craving to submit to a Dominant woman.

Mistress Diva

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RE: subs Craving Strap ons and "forced" bi sc... - 9/15/2004 12:11:24 PM   
kinkylarry


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Status: offline 		I don't consider myself bi, but I do enjoy the role reversal that that comes when a woman uses a strap-on on me. It helps me understand how it feels to totally surrender to that woman. It is the ultimate surrender of a male. The Domme with a strap-on is truly fucking me, there is no mistake who is the fucker and who is the fuckee. She is is total control of that situation.

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RE: subs Craving Strap ons and "forced" bi sc... - 9/15/2004 6:41:48 PM   
WayHome


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Just because gay men sometimes have anal sex doesn't mean they own the copyright.

There was a time when lesbian communities frowned on any sort of penetration because it seemed too hetero. Brave women had to buck the social trend and flaunt their opinion that fingering felt good. Some even were so bold as to endorse strap-ons. Still some will say "She wants to be a man"

It would all be very funny if it wasn't so destructive. Gay or bi or straight has to do with who you want to have sex with, not with where you like to be touched or how. Very simple and true. No grey areas at all.

Now, that's not to say that some men might not want sex with a man and keep it a secret, possibly even from themselves. Some of those men might even seek strap-on sex and fantasize about a man in the process. Some of those might also want to be given "permission" by a Domme to pursue the sex with men that they crave. I suspect that a very large percentage of those men would tend to seek the services of a pro-Domme. It seems a rational place to go. A few of them probably found MistressZanthia in the process, she, and of course they, would have been more fortunate if they had found someone else instead who was more sympathetic to their needs, but such is life. When you fill an unusual niche such as that of a pro-Domme), don't be surprized when the cross-section of those that seek you out is quite far from a representative sample.

Leto

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RE: subs Craving Strap ons and "forced" bi sc... - 9/16/2004 8:57:02 AM   
yoursMaam


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Status: offline 		Dear MistressMisty,
Is Your concern that You don't get pleasure out of this, or that the sub does?
If You don't get pleasure out of this then the sub can't
If You want the sub not to get pleasure that eliminates a lot of activity, doesn't it?

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RE: subs Craving Strap ons and "forced" bi sc... - 9/16/2004 3:13:20 PM   
bullseye1841


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Status: offline 		I do not consider myself bi or gay at all because I enjoy anal stimulation. I think it depends on how it is used, but can have more than one reaction. A strap-on could be used for satisifaction, for punishment, or as a form of control over Her sub. Just had to throw my 2 cents in.

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RE: subs Craving Strap ons and "forced" bi sc... - 9/16/2004 3:53:37 PM   
Morghan


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Status: offline 		At the risk of beating a dead horse, here I go.

I adore strapon sex and other penetration of the male butt. I find it irresistably sexy, visually and physically. When a man submits himself to me in that way, it shows to me the lengths to which he is willing to go in order to please me. I have had a sub who did not like anal, but he would take it because it was my desire. Now of course there are going to be men who are curious and this may be a gateway for them. However, I would say that unless they desire a primary, emotionally bonded relationship with men, they cannot be considered 'gay.' In fact, as a responsible dominant, I would feel quite accomplished if I helped my sub discover he was in fact bisexual. His development is part of my focus. Certainly not my only focus, and I will be certain that my needs are met. But if he likes it on its own merits, huzzah!

So I suppose thats all I want to say on the topic. It does seem to me, Misty, that you are a bit on edge about people's intentions. Specifically, it seems you do not beleive men are capable of accurate self representation. I'm certain there are enough self deprecating sub men out there that you will find one to suit you. But try to keep an open mind and realize that your kink or style is not the be all end all.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled message boards.

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RE: subs Craving Strap ons and "forced" bi sc... - 9/16/2004 8:10:20 PM   
Whipenrod


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Status: offline 		I think 'Way Home' had it right--people have sex (or fantasize) about who they are sexually drawn to--how they are touched is a different matter.

If we follow certain lines of reasoning--then a woman who wants anal sex is actually wishing she were a gay male???!!

I never experienced strap-on play until my first sub from this board gifted me with one. I love it! It is very sexual--very 'dominant'. Today I threatened a new sub with a nearly-virgin ass by pumping my clothed groin into his buttocks and getting him to imagine me (after training him)using a strap-on on him--very powerful! And I never even showed him the strap on yet....

I have another sub who is bi and wishes for me to find another male to session with. I have confessed I like watching men play sexually--so this is something that would please us both. Yes--I am 'forcing' him--but he is taking a Beta role to another sub--a humiliating position. It's his turn-on and mine as well to subjugate him totally. And no--I am not worried I will 'loose' him.

It's the old butterfly thing--if they were ment to fly away--they will.
Maybe that's the way life goes?
Would I keep someone by my side and refuse them the chance to grow and experience new things because of fear of loosing them?

I don't think so

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RE: subs Craving Strap ons and "forced" bi sc... - 9/20/2004 10:31:14 PM   
CuckoIdsIave


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ORIGINAL: MistressMisty122

This tells me they are craving a man and a strap on or dildo has nothing to do with 'me'. Its more about servicing 'them'.


i think this all depends Mistress Misty, as some Dommes enjoy this. its not something i have ever ask or desired a lover to do to me, but i think that if my Domme was to do it, it would make me feel like the lower in the relationship therefore i dont see how it would be for my pleasure? is not the idea of a Female ramming a cock shaped object up the guys ass for the purpous to say "Im the Top"? i could be wrong but being as i have never had it done to me, what do i know.

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RE: subs Craving Strap ons and "forced" bi sc... - 10/10/2004 11:50:03 AM   
proudsub


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subs craving strap-ons...

what does the mistress get out of a strap-on


oops this got posted on the wrong thread LOL, damn.


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RE: subs Craving Strap ons and "forced" bi sc... - 10/10/2004 3:48:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: proudsub
oops this got posted on the wrong thread LOL, damn.


Yeah, I was wondering what you sudden obsession with strap-ons were proud...

Yanno, they are just as fun to use on sub girls!! <weg>

- LA


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RE: subs Craving Strap ons and "forced" bi sc... - 10/10/2004 4:06:12 PM   
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Yeah, I was wondering what you sudden obsession with strap-ons were proud...

Yanno, they are just as fun to use on sub girls!! <weg>


HMMMMMMMM LOL. Actually i was just trying to help the OP on the other thread about strap-ons.

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RE: subs Craving Strap ons and "forced" bi sc... - 10/10/2004 4:09:38 PM   
LadyAngelika


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ORIGINAL: proudsub

quote:

Yeah, I was wondering what you sudden obsession with strap-ons were proud...

Yanno, they are just as fun to use on sub girls!! <weg>


HMMMMMMMM LOL. Actually i was just trying to help the OP on the other thread about strap-ons.


Uh huh ;)

- LA

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RE: subs Craving Strap ons and "forced" bi sc... - 10/10/2004 7:51:42 PM   
GoddessDustyGold


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ORIGINAL: WayHome


Now, that's not to say that some men might not want sex with a man and keep it a secret, possibly even from themselves. Some of those men might even seek strap-on sex and fantasize about a man in the process. Some of those might also want to be given "permission" by a Domme to pursue the sex with men that they crave. I suspect that a very large percentage of those men would tend to seek the services of a pro-Domme. It seems a rational place to go. A few of them probably found MistressZanthia in the process, she, and of course they, would have been more fortunate if they had found someone else instead who was more sympathetic to their needs, but such is life. When you fill an unusual niche such as that of a pro-Domme), don't be surprized when the cross-section of those that seek you out is quite far from a representative sample.

Leto


Leto,

I went back to re-read MistressXanthia's post as I did not have the same understanding as you. I believe She made it clear that if a "personal sub" has a priority of forced bi, she will not consider him for a personal relationship, but will offer Her professional services in such a case.

So on that note: I will NEVER force bi, coerce bi, or even date a bi submissive ever again.
I only consider the %100 hetro boys for my personal subs. If a boy has one fantasy about forced bi... I recommend he doesn't bother contacting me unless he wants my professional services.

I apologize if I have misunderstood MistressXanthia's point here. I understood this to mean that once permission was given and this activity took place, the sub/slave no longer needed MistressXanthia and could seek another relationship elsewhere. What a Pro client wants, if it is within My boundaries, a Pro Client can have. What a personal sub/slave wants, makes no difference to Me. I simply look for a reasonable compatibility in several important areas.
And why do W/we have to use the term "forced" anyway? I mean, where does this come from? Forced Femme and Forced Bi. I have often asked "how forced is forced?" If you are listing it as an interest, then obviously, it is an arousing and satisfying activity. I love to feminize, and part My happiness, in a personal relationship, comes from the fact that the sub/slave is receiving satisfation and happiness in return. I use a strap-on, on occasion. For Me it is an empowering act. If the sub/slave is receiving the proper gratification in return (i.e. knowing that this is an ultimate humiliation and his Domme holds the absolute power) that is a good thing and creates growth in a personal relationship.
And I have had males who contact Me with a huge list of interests and then admit they are not experienced in many of these these areas, but they are, in fact, trying to make themselves as attractive to as many Dommes as possible. When I see a list that includes virtually everything, I always question that!



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RE: subs Craving Strap ons and "forced" bi sc... - 10/10/2004 8:04:33 PM   
Suleiman


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Status: offline 		Allow me to tiptoe through the land-mines and attempt to plant the flag of a different POV..

1) As to the subject of women with strapons... Personally, I adore it, and so have nearly all of my female lovers. My kink is not your kink. If a sub is asking for any kind of attention, it is because it is a thing that they enjoy, which they hope their mistress will enjoy too. If you feel you must rebuke your sub for being impertinent, this is of course your perogative.


2) "Forced Bi" has nothing to do with women using prosthetic appliances on men. Forced Bi was originally entered into the BDSM lexicon (though not by that title) by Masoch himself in the now nearly biblical "Venus in Furs", when his mistress goes from simply cuckolding him to forcing him to service her boyfriend. Forced Bi therefore has a long and honorable tradition in the BDSM community.

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RE: subs Craving Strap ons and "forced" bi sc... - 10/11/2004 2:22:25 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Suleiman


2) "Forced Bi" has nothing to do with women using prosthetic appliances on men. Forced Bi was originally entered into the BDSM lexicon (though not by that title) by Masoch himself in the now nearly biblical "Venus in Furs", when his mistress goes from simply cuckolding him to forcing him to service her boyfriend. Forced Bi therefore has a long and honorable tradition in the BDSM community.


Of course this is correct. I am simply stating that there are many males who tell Me they love "forced bi" and that is when I question the motivation. In cuckoldry, when the male is instructed to service the other male as a humiliating and submissive act, then it is a forced situation. Or a male slave may be commanded to service another male slave for the pleasure of his Mistress. So, when listed as an interest, I do ask the question. Is it an interest or is it a humiliation you are willing to bear?
Since the original question on this thread was regarding "males craving strap-on" the word craving, to Me anyway, would indicate an extreme desire for this activity. Then, I do believe, W/we are back to the Mistress servicing the sub/slave. So a mutual desire would be important.

< Message edited by GoddessDustyGold -- 10/11/2004 2:41:21 AM >

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RE: subs Craving Strap ons and "forced" bi sc... - 10/11/2004 2:44:41 AM   
Suleiman


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Of course this is correct. I am simply stating that there are many males who tell Me they love "forced bi" and that is when I question the motivation. In cuckoldry, when the male is instructed to service the other male as a humiliating and submissive act, then it is a forced situation. Or a male slave may be commanded to service another male slave for the pleasure of his Mistress. So, when listed as an interest, I do ask the question. Is it an interest or is it a humiliation you are willing to bear?



You have a valid point of course, but then such a question ought to be asked about any proclaimed interest IMHO. Of course, "Forced Bi" as a scene can have a great many connotations, and almost as many interpretations. Clarifying such a point early on helps the submissive to understand his place, and to understand the difference between his desires and the actual goal of servitude to his mistress.

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RE: subs Craving Strap ons and "forced" bi sc... - 12/29/2004 7:59:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think that we drifted. Some men(I am one) enjoy anal stimulation. I thought all 'Kinks' were equal; not if one patakes in a particular activity then he or she is something other that what they say they are. I thought there would be more open minds here...


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