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RE: Here's one for you--to write or not to write - 12/3/2009 3:29:55 AM   
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I will of course respect His wishes, but


forget the but....the first half of the statement is what you should concentrate on, do not mention it again, if he changes his mind he will let you know.

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RE: Here's one for you--to write or not to write - 12/3/2009 3:39:41 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DontLookBack

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I will of course respect His wishes, but


forget the but....the first half of the statement is what you should concentrate on, do not mention it again, if he changes his mind he will let you know.


Wait... so she isn't allowed to consider it and form her opinion on the situation so that she can provide the feedback?

Interesting approach....

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RE: Here's one for you--to write or not to write - 12/3/2009 5:51:07 AM   
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Before Master and I got together He was seeing multiple subs.  As part of our relationship, we wanted to be monogamous, so after we met and decided to move forward, we both stopped seeing other people.  One of His subs is a bisexual woman who dommes men as a business, but also has a sub side, which she explored with Him.  On the surface it seems like she took his breaking it off rather well, understanding He was looking for a monogamous relationship, and she herself is more pansexual. 

Recently she invited us to a play party.  We talked about it, and I had misgivings, mostly because I had not been to such a thing before, and while open to it, I didn't want possible drama and weirdness to result for anyone. I really want to be open to the idea in general, and not have my first experience be one where there was any sort of discomfort between Him, her, or me.  So we didn't go. 

As seen in my general BDSM forum post, Master and I made a movie over the weekend. It was wonderful.  My sole gripe is that He had to keep messing with the camera and angles.  So we talked about having someone else film us, and He suggested her.  I said if they were both comfortable, I would not object to it.  He asked her, and now she is all sorts of upset, and thinks this request came from me, wanting to stage some sort of "haha I'm better than you, I got the man and now you can watch" sort of thing.  Nothing could possibly be further from the truth, in fact I was the one who said "only if everyone is comfortable!" and even, when Master broke it off with her, inquired about her well being in that transition.

Master is handling it, but last night when He explained to me what happened, I felt very bad. I felt misunderstood and misrepresented and asked if He thought it was appropriate to email her myself.  He thought about it and said He felt not at this time, feeling like she might have been looking for something to get upset about, when really she was upset He broke it off. 

I will of course respect His wishes, but should I bring it up again? I really would like to say to her that I'm His slave, and have always been submissive, there is no part of me that gets off domming women at ALL, and I was very concerned about putting her in an emotionally taxing place, I never set out to hurt her.  But then I don't know, maybe it would just make things worse.  I trust Him to do the right thing, but I do want Him to know I am willing to make the effort if need be. 

So I guess I ask the question to other subs, since this woman, despite her other interests which may be influencing her interpretations of these interactions, relates to Him as a sub.  Given these circumstances, would an email from the "new" woman expressing apologies and offering reassurances be rude, make things worse, or helpful in some way? 

BTW, she has a fetlife page with a long list of poly-amorous relationships and a professional Domme site so if there is question about the amicable nature of their breaking things off because He wanted to be serious with someone, I think that is enough to say they were looking for different things. 



Hi HisSweetElysium,
First please note i am not passing judgment on you and how you feel. I don't know you to do so. Nor am i assuming to know how you think, your master thinks or this other girl. I would like to pose some comments for you to ponder. If they resonate with you or not, only you will know.

Reading your words brought to my mind, as an outsider, that this situation is pretty much about you, and what i call the me, me, me syndrome. What  you want and need verses your Master.  This other sub had a party, you did not feel comfortable going, because of the reasons you mentioned. You were not happy with the filming, and when you Master suggested her, you were fine? This is odd to me. My 'den' is safe and on my grounds, and going to your 'den' is not safe since it is on your grounds. i will not meet you at your placee but you can come here and watch Master and i play. Yes, your master suggested that, and she decline.


Now you feel you need to explain yourself and your 'good deeds' to her, but you Master said no. Instead of accepting that you are askings other subs if you should present this to your Master again. Again it sounds more like me, me ,me over what your Master wants. Does it worry you that he might not be representing your intentions correctly? Does it bother you he is taking care of her wants or yours? Can you see why he wants it this way? Maybe try to look at the whole, and not the me, might help. You do not know her, and it doesn't matter about her profiles etc. The fact is you do not know her or how she thinks. Your master knows her better then you. Let him handle it.

I suggest perhaps you look at why you brought this to the boards, why you needed to be heard on this, and why you haven't been able to do as your Master told you. I know you wanted to know if you should bring it up again to your Master about emailing her. Why is this all about you? Can you be okay that it isn't?

Edited to Add:
I waited a couple days until i respend to your OP, because i didn't want to come off in judgment of your needs. I am not saying what i see in your post to be accurate, but wanted to give you another point of view. We all get to that me, me stage, nothing to be ashamed of if this is actually your case. If not, then that is good to hear as well. Blessing to you

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RE: Here's one for you--to write or not to write - 12/3/2009 6:26:57 AM   
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HisSweetElysium, i hope you have gotten some peace about this over the past few days. Coming here and asking like you did must have been tough, i'm glad you did though. When brave souls like you come to ask questions, and seek other POV it helps us all. Also i think it shows great maturity and wisdom to KNOW oneself, and be able to articulate it to your master like you have. You sharing that part of yourself, has been helpful to me personally. It has helped me remember how important speaking up to ones master about our feelings is. A very important aspect of a healthy relationship which you definitely seem to have. Your concern about this other person is to be commended! How very thoughtful, and considerate of you that she not feel hurt, i wished more people were this considerate You just seem like a thoughtful and articulate woman, your master is a lucky guy.....no wonder he wants you on film!

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RE: Here's one for you--to write or not to write - 12/3/2009 8:33:09 AM   
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Hi there, thank you for your response, I had your words tumbling around in my mind for the last few days.  Your posts are so often wise and compelling, I appreciate the response more than you know.  

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RE: Here's one for you--to write or not to write - 12/3/2009 8:51:23 AM   
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Thank you very much for taking the time to grant me such a thorough response.  You made many valuable points, and I have and will continue to consider them carefully.  I thought of the "your lair vs mine" point after the fact as well, though not a conscious choice, I suspect part my discomfort vs discomfort with the various scenarios was mislaid.

As far as the "me" concept, yes, I think everyone can be guilty of that at times.  For myself however, (heh heh, back to me), it's a communication style I picked up in my psychology training.  I try very much to avoid making accusatory statements "you did" "he did" etc beyond just the facts, and focus on the one thing I can say with any degree of certainty, which is how I feel.  I do not pretend to know the feelings of others or motivations, part of the reason I posted here, for honest opinions of others that may have found themselves in a similar situation, to better grasp where she may be coming from, and offer the best course of action. 

I also have a Master who cares a great deal about me and my feelings and expects me to voice them, often and completely. This has not been easy for me. I trust Him completely, and as such, when I expressed my reluctance about the party, followed up my thoughts with "I trust you in all things, and if you say we are ready for this, I will obey."  He made the decision, as is His right.  I said a similar thing about requesting this of her as well. Personally, it would not be my choice to have an ex sub involved in our intimacy in any way shape or form.  I expressed concern for both parties emotional state when He mentioned it, and He made the decision to follow through. 

I am new at this in all ways that matter. Yes, I may very well be guilty of being self important and even selfish.  I'm an only child too, so "me me me" is certainly a possible fault of mine.  I do not think it is selfish however, to wish to alleviate the hurt of another over a misunderstanding.  If I am being honest and forthright for only myself, I would want no communication or contact with this person whatsoever; even before this happened.  The better person in me however, wishes no one to hurt because of our happiness, and if that is what happened, I want to set it right, but given my role as His, I will let that go.

Still, your comments are well received, it will be a process to learn to balance a lifetime of steering my own ship with accepting my role now.  Obedience in physical terms is far easier than in emotional and intellectual terms, and something that will take a long time to fully understand.  I appreciate your help on this journey. 


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RE: Here's one for you--to write or not to write - 12/3/2009 9:00:40 AM   
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I am so glad you have found positive things in my post to take forward in your own relationship breatheasone.  Being honest and forthright in my emotions has not been easy for me at all, possibly the hardest part of this process actually. I am not a young woman, and I have a lifetime of failed relationships where emotional honesty was met with fighting, anger, and rebuke.  I have often hidden my feelings, pushed them down until they explode in other ways, over trivial things. 

Master will have none of this. The few times I have been upset with Him, I have had difficulty expressing it but through His patience and encouragement, it is slowly becoming easier.  He is an extraordinary man, who listens to my tearful words with patience, love and understanding.  He owns His faults, His mistakes, and apologizes to me for them, and asks what He can do to set things right.  Even when I judge my feelings to be petty or insecure and thus inappropriate, He never passes these same judgments.  His loving support and encouragement has made me a more emotionally mature person, and interestingly enough, I find the more I voice these concerns and troubles, the less I have in the first place. 

And as far as the filming, heh heh, that is more a tribute to me not being able to get enough eye candy of His hot bod, I only get to see Him from one angle, with video, I get a whole new view (and play back!!!)


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RE: Here's one for you--to write or not to write - 12/3/2009 9:18:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: HisSweetElysium

Hi there, thank you for your response, I had your words tumbling around in my mind for the last few days.  Your posts are so often wise and compelling, I appreciate the response more than you know.  


you are very welcome and thank you for your kind words.
 
this slave imagines that if she were in a similar situation, Master would most likely either enjoy the fact that this other woman was uncomfortable/upset over the whole scenario and have her hold the camera anyway(He has a bit of a sadistic streak), OR decide she is a drama queen that neither of us needs to waste time with and move on with our lives.

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RE: Here's one for you--to write or not to write - 12/3/2009 9:20:48 AM   
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ORIGINAL: HisSweetElysium

I am so glad you have found positive things in my post to take forward in your own relationship breatheasone.  Being honest and forthright in my emotions has not been easy for me at all, possibly the hardest part of this process actually. I am not a young woman, and I have a lifetime of failed relationships where emotional honesty was met with fighting, anger, and rebuke.  I have often hidden my feelings, pushed them down until they explode in other ways, over trivial things. 

Master will have none of this. The few times I have been upset with Him, I have had difficulty expressing it but through His patience and encouragement, it is slowly becoming easier.  He is an extraordinary man, who listens to my tearful words with patience, love and understanding.  He owns His faults, His mistakes, and apologizes to me for them, and asks what He can do to set things right.  Even when I judge my feelings to be petty or insecure and thus inappropriate, He never passes these same judgments.  His loving support and encouragement has made me a more emotionally mature person, and interestingly enough, I find the more I voice these concerns and troubles, the less I have in the first place. 

And as far as the filming, heh heh, that is more a tribute to me not being able to get enough eye candy of His hot bod, I only get to see Him from one angle, with video, I get a whole new view (and play back!!!)


WOW!..... Do you and i have a LOT in common. Really scary! You could describing my Master and me here....


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RE: Here's one for you--to write or not to write - 12/5/2009 5:07:52 AM   
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You're thinking too much.

Your Master has communicated to you exactly what he's thinking and what he's doing.  he understands this woman better than you do, and he's taking the lead.

It's being taken care of.  Relax.

LOL Dark you sound just like my Daddy, he's always saying those types of things to me.

Seriously I am the type of person that can find fault with anybody AND nit pick something you said to death, taking implications from the basic way you could even just say "Hello" to me. If she has this chip on her shoulder, stay away. No matter what you say to her, it will be wrong. Good luck!
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RE: Here's one for you--to write or not to write - 12/5/2009 6:11:40 AM   
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Hello HisSweetElysium

Thank you for taking my post as it was intended, just a view point:). Yes, the me me is a difficult aspect, and heck i wrestle a lot with it. Also having psychology as my major, i use the word i or me a lot, so my comments are mine  and not putting them on another. Your Master sounds wonderful. David Sir, wants me to communicate my feelings etc too, which is a stumbling block for me..but that is another story:)

One day in the near future, you will look at this as a small pimple that got in the way, and your Master will have found another to take pictures, or will find a way to make a video without having to attend to the camera.

Life is good, and i found for myself, i choose my battles carefully now. That might have come from old age, but i do credit late hubby for getting that through head.

Blessings and i so love your avatar.:)

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