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Aneirin -> America's lap dog ? (12/1/2009 7:01:07 PM)

Is it just me, or is anyone else aware that Britain, or at least those who speak on behalf of our country just seems to be hanging on the coat tails of America all the time. When America wants something, Britain is it seems, all too keen and ready to comply, why is this ?

Look at that pratt Tony Blair, and now Mr Brown, America says shit, they ask what colour. I have even heard of Tony Blair being reffered to as Bush's lap dog from American  news sources, so you must see it too, but why, what do you  think ? 



Marc2b -> RE: America's lap dog ? (12/1/2009 7:05:15 PM)

We've got dirt on the Queen.




ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: America's lap dog ? (12/1/2009 7:06:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

Is it just me, or is anyone else aware that Britain, or at least those who speak on behalf of our country just seems to be hanging on the coat tails of America all the time. When America wants something, Britain is it seems, all too keen and ready to comply, why is this ?

Look at that pratt Tony Blair, and now Mr Brown, America says shit, they ask what colour. I have even heard of Tony Blair being reffered to as Bush's lap dog from American  news sources, so you must see it too, but why, what do you  think ? 


Economic concerns. Loyalty. Common culture/common interests. And a half a dozen other equally noble and equally deplorable reasons, i suppose. And yes, I've noticed it many times as well. It's discouraging when even your supposed best friend doesn't have the stones to look you in the eye, tell you you're making an utter ass of yourself, and that you need to get some help.



Marc2b -> RE: America's lap dog ? (12/1/2009 7:10:39 PM)

Okay, seriously: I think both countries have a similar world outlook which is to be expected considering the U.S's. orgins. Although both countries have swings to the left they both remain essentially conservative in their outlook, especially in the area of foreign policy. They tend to think alike in how to "solve" foreign "problems."



Brain -> RE: America's lap dog ? (12/1/2009 7:56:27 PM)

It probably has to do with gratitude for help in defeating the Germans in the second world war. Additionally, it may be because Britain in its colonial period expanded their country to Canada and the United States in competition with the French or the Spanish. Another reason may be because Tony Blair and Gordon Brown want to play bigshot world leader with the American president just to be relevant. Or another reason may be they have the same corporate interests as United States like oil companies and maintaining their economic interests - protecting corporate profits. I think this last reason carries a lot of traction with me.



AnimusRex -> RE: America's lap dog ? (12/1/2009 8:07:27 PM)

I obviously can't answer for what is the thinking of the Brits, but I wll say that there is a terrible problem within the American political class that assumes compliance with our goals and interests.
Look at the anger directed at the French or Canadians when they don't step smartly when an American President demands that their sons be sent to die in Bumfuckistan.

I am waiting for the day when the French President demands that American boys be sent posthaste to protect French interests in Cote Ivoire.



DCWoody -> RE: America's lap dog ? (12/1/2009 8:16:06 PM)

It's a newspaper meme. Britain is the USs closest ally and vice versa, in military matters 'the west' is represented by the british and american armies....only france has anything to match and the french....dislike conflict.

If China were to invade aus, or russia poland...or other hypothetical unlikely scenarios....the world would look to us to stop them.

And because the US is the larger partner, Britain must be the bitch in the narrative.....I don't think there's much more to it than that.



EbonyWood -> RE: America's lap dog ? (12/1/2009 8:20:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: AnimusRex


I am waiting for the day when the French President demands that American boys be sent posthaste to protect French interests in Cote Ivoire.


Well if Sarkozy asks President Palin the response will be -

"Oh no you don't, I ain't fallin' for that one again."



slvemike4u -> RE: America's lap dog ? (12/1/2009 8:21:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DCWoody

It's a newspaper meme. Britain is the USs closest ally and vice versa, in military matters 'the west' is represented by the british and american armies....only france has anything to match and the french....dislike conflict.

If China were to invade aus, or russia poland...or other hypothetical unlikely scenarios....the world would look to us to stop them.

And because the US is the larger partner, Britain must be the bitch in the narrative.....I don't think there's much more to it than that.
So Blair was Bush's bitch? Clinton had Lewinsky....and Bush had Blair...cool.[:D]



DCWoody -> RE: America's lap dog ? (12/1/2009 8:24:02 PM)

To clarify, I don't think that no....well, in the case of Blair & Bush he did seem too easily swayed, but in general....no, I don't think the UK is americans bitch, I just think that's the way newspapers describe it, on both sides of the pond & elsewhere...because that's the story, that's the hook, the interest.



AnimusRex -> RE: America's lap dog ? (12/1/2009 9:03:02 PM)


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ORIGINAL: EbonyWood

quote:

ORIGINAL: AnimusRex


I am waiting for the day when the French President demands that American boys be sent posthaste to protect French interests in Cote Ivoire.


Well if Sarkozy asks President Palin the response will be -

"Oh no you don't, I ain't fallin' for that one again."

"but as long as we are on the line,Mr. Sarkozy, how about you dismantle your Canadian style public health plan?"



Politesub53 -> RE: America's lap dog ? (12/2/2009 3:05:09 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DCWoody

It's a newspaper meme. Britain is the USs closest ally and vice versa, in military matters 'the west' is represented by the british and american armies....only france has anything to match and the french....dislike conflict.

If China were to invade aus, or russia poland...or other hypothetical unlikely scenarios....the world would look to us to stop them.

And because the US is the larger partner, Britain must be the bitch in the narrative.....I don't think there's much more to it than that.


You are partly right Woody, a shared heritage and outlook makes us close partners. Blair only got the vote to go to war due to blatant lies. If the truth had been told I doubt Britain would have been with Iraq, the second time of asking. Gratitude for WW2 isnt the answer, that would never wash as an excuse with the electorate here. 

As for being your bitches, didnt Bush the First tamely follow Maggie across the sand dunes of Mesopatamia ? 
" Come on George, its no time to get wobbly " [;)]



Moonhead -> RE: America's lap dog ? (12/2/2009 6:44:20 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Brain

It probably has to do with gratitude for help in defeating the Germans in the second world war..

Less gratitude and more loans that weren't paid off until 2005.



SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: America's lap dog ? (12/2/2009 9:41:29 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Aneirin
Is it just me, or is anyone else aware that Britain, or at least those who speak on behalf of our country just seems to be hanging on the coat tails of America all the time. When America wants something, Britain is it seems, all too keen and ready to comply, why is this ?

Look at that pratt Tony Blair, and now Mr Brown, America says shit, they ask what colour. I have even heard of Tony Blair being reffered to as Bush's lap dog from American news sources, so you must see it too, but why, what do you think ?

Old news Aneirin, this is nothing new. It's insidious, just ask the hacker that will be tried in the US even though his crimes were committed in the UK, what is the UK court for obviously not for crimes committed in Britain?. This justice system we have for example doesn't mind trying ridiculous privacy cases for idiot rich people who've never set foot inside the UK but is willing to export its own citizens for trial elsewhere.

I’ve also seen snippets from that Iraq enquiry setting out how Bush convinced Blair but this isn’t how I remember it. I don’t remember Blair being reluctant to enter the war, what I remember is he was doing an equal amount of cheerleading to enter the war. It is really quite telling how they are already trying to revise history and if Blair had reservations at the time then he obviously hid them well whilst lying to us. These people have had too much time to get their stories straight and it is still inconsistent with what I remember.



Moonhead -> RE: America's lap dog ? (12/2/2009 9:51:20 AM)

Blair was going around Europe trying to get everybody else involved at one point, true enough.
Don't even get me started on that bloody unilateral extradition treaty.



Politesub53 -> RE: America's lap dog ? (12/2/2009 12:08:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

Blair was going around Europe trying to get everybody else involved at one point, true enough.
Don't even get me started on that bloody unilateral extradition treaty.


Which is why they didnt make him King of Europe, President of the Empire, Master of the Universe and Captain of Arsenal ( wtf anyone wants the later is beyond my )

BTW what do you think of the Unilateral Extradition Treaty ? Maybe Blair innocently thought it started EU and not UE [8D]



Aneirin -> RE: America's lap dog ? (12/2/2009 12:17:21 PM)

Yeah, well, this extradition of the computer hacker is annoying me somewhat, as I watched the political discussion in Parliament on the tv, the twat that is the home secretary was ignoring completely the testimonials of the medical profession, saying this chap was mentally not sound to be sent to an uncertain fate in the US. He heard there was a very real possibility that the chap would destroy himself, due to his condition, and I believe he will, given that condition, but the home secretary was more interested in sending a British Citizen to an uncertain fate in America, yet another US ass licker, or someone licking the ass on behalf of someone else. We in Britain have been told if we get into trouble abroad, we are on our own, and now this, we are very aware our country does not serve us, it is not looking after our interests, but I suppose it never did, only those in positions of power and influence, we just pay for it.

Very difficult to support a country, when increasingly it is showing and saying it does not support the citizens of it.

But Blair, my understanding was, he rimmed Bush's ass, in the hope that American influence would get him wealth and riches in the future, that guy had the idea of living a playboy life style, like so many other politicians he admired.



mnottertail -> RE: America's lap dog ? (12/2/2009 12:19:24 PM)

send me your wimenz, and keep your 'ackers, guv!!!

AmericanPirateRon



NorthernGent -> RE: America's lap dog ? (12/2/2009 1:25:31 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

but why?



They have sunny delight/waffles/optimism....and we could really do with some of that. Was reading Bill Hicks' biography the other week and there was a line in there that went something like 'the essence of America is optimism'......well the essence of England is cynicism....so we ain't exactly brothers in arms no matter what happened 400 years ago.

The American president goes to Germany and crowds turn out to see him - that just wouldn't happen in England - we wouldn't turn out to see our own Prime Minister let alone someone else's. So it's not like the ordinary person is particularly enthralled with American culture/politics/way of life or anyone else's for that matter.

But the British Government has form for gathering in other people's resources and if they want to continue doing that then the US is the obvious choice - because that country has the means to carry it off. Of course it can never be an equal relationship - rather like two businesses negotiating a deal - the one that has more to offer takes a larger slice of the pie. That's the way it goes. US foreign policy amounts to spreading US values around the world and locking in other countries to US designs and the obvious candidate to help them with that is us.....we have some sort of common political ground and both governments are predisposed toward stealing other people's resources under the guise of democracy or something or other.





LadyEllen -> RE: America's lap dog ? (12/2/2009 3:45:09 PM)

The British establishment wants to continue to try to pretend its a world power; the same reason they hate the EU and campaign against surrendering sovereignty to Brussels is paradoxically linked to the same reason they love the US and fall in line with Washington - lacking the means in the modern world to perpetuate their aims and preferred self ideation, they might retain at least some of both by association with the US, who although "crass" and "ill mannered" do at least speak English, unlike those damned foreigners over the Channel.

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