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MasterKing1 -> Domestic Servants? Butlers, Valets and the Like.. (12/3/2009 2:45:27 AM)
So here's the deal. Domestic servitude is an aspect of D/s that alot of times goes hand in hand with all the others once a slave/submissive is collared. But it isn't often that this particular preference is addressed. I've been looking around the message boards lately for anything related tot he subject but wasn't led to much. That's greatly of the reason I'm posting this one here, just wanted to get others feedback on the subject. Are there any on here that seek servants for JUST the purpose of these activities? Or potential slave/subs whose focus lies mainly on these protocols? Oddly enough, it isn't something you hear alot about on this site. Myself for instance, aside from my other interests I've been most specifically seeking a male charge to take the role of personal assistant and valet, preferably for an eventual full time position. The pretty basic requirements would be implied: Acting as chauffeur, personal assistant at home and in public, bodyguard, butler as well as a number of other miscellaneous requirements. Just there to serve and offer assistance when needed or requested. Appearing pretty entirely as hired help to the public, and in the home cleaning, cooking and offering massages..seeing to personal wants and the like. And sexual use of course, no one can mention BDSM without thoughts of a sexual nature fleeting across the mind..But according to the former requirements listed above, it's hardly the priority. Though searching on and off for months now hasn't turned up much. Is there anyone else who's had experience in these areas? Either through being served or serving? Or maybe just thoughts on the basic subject of domestic servitude on it's own? Not sure if this crosses any boundaries to talk about, so I'm hoping this post won't be removed. But it'd be great to hear others thoughts. Anyway, let me know what you think. Thanks friends!! -Angelus [image]local://upfiles/506477/DB2729D3A469423F90AAE53A0FB8E74A.jpg[/image]

sirsholly -> RE: Domestic Servants? Butlers, Valets and the Like.. (12/3/2009 2:49:35 AM)
quote: The pretty basic requirements would be implied: Acting as chauffeur, personal assistant at home and in public, bodyguard, butler as well as a number of other miscellaneous requirements. Just there to serve and offer assistance when needed or requested. Appearing pretty entirely as hired help to the public, and in the home cleaning, cooking and offering massages..seeing to personal wants and the like. perhaps you might want to mention what is offered to him in return?

MasterKing1 -> RE: Domestic Servants? Butlers, Valets and the Like.. (12/3/2009 3:08:16 AM)
A good point. Thanks for the reply, do you have any experiences in this particular area you'd like to share? -Angelus [image]local://upfiles/506477/80FF014CD99E4F8686C9D1E9D70D300A.jpg[/image]

sirsholly -> RE: Domestic Servants? Butlers, Valets and the Like.. (12/3/2009 3:13:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterKing1 A good point. Thanks for the reply, do you have any experiences in this particular area you'd like to share? -Angelus none at all.

CarrieO -> RE: Domestic Servants? Butlers, Valets and the Like.. (12/3/2009 3:24:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterKing1 So here's the deal. Domestic servitude is an aspect of D/s that alot of times goes hand in hand with all the others once a slave/submissive is collared. But it isn't often that this particular preference is addressed. I've been looking around the message boards lately for anything related tot he subject but wasn't led to much. That's greatly of the reason I'm posting this one here, just wanted to get others feedback on the subject. Are there any on here that seek servants for JUST the purpose of these activities? Or potential slave/subs whose focus lies mainly on these protocols? Oddly enough, it isn't something you hear alot about on this site. There have been threads about this topic. A search should offer something. Myself for instance, aside from my other interests I've been most specifically seeking a male charge to take the role of personal assistant and valet, preferably for an eventual full time position. The pretty basic requirements would be implied: Acting as chauffeur, personal assistant at home and in public, bodyguard, butler as well as a number of other miscellaneous requirements. Just there to serve and offer assistance when needed or requested. Appearing pretty entirely as hired help to the public, and in the home cleaning, cooking and offering massages..seeing to personal wants and the like. I agree with Holly...what do you offer this person in exchange for these services? Altruism is a rare thing and the position you seek to fill has a fairly high monetary value in the working world, depending on your location, not to mention benefits, including retirement and paid vacations. Now maybe I'm misreading you but, there's no way I would offer to do the services you require without some form of recompense...especially if the position is full time, sex or no sex. This might be different if it was a domestic situation where benefits could be offered via marriage or an outside position could be maintained for said benefits. I have this thing for reality, you see. And sexual use of course, no one can mention BDSM without thoughts of a sexual nature fleeting across the mind..But according to the former requirements listed above, it's hardly the priority. Though searching on and off for months now hasn't turned up much. Is there anyone else who's had experience in these areas? Either through being served or serving? Or maybe just thoughts on the basic subject of domestic servitude on it's own? Not sure if this crosses any boundaries to talk about, so I'm hoping this post won't be removed. But it'd be great to hear others thoughts. Anyway, let me know what you think. Thanks friends!! -Angelus [image]local://upfiles/506477/DB2729D3A469423F90AAE53A0FB8E74A.jpg[/image]

sunshinemiss -> RE: Domestic Servants? Butlers, Valets and the Like.. (12/3/2009 3:51:04 AM)
Hello there (What to call you? I'm SURE not gonna call you master or king)... sigh. In all my years in this community, I've seen one or two folks who do what you are talking about, but they are rare creatures indeed. I would not extrapolate any presumptions about them because there is much too small of a pool to make that even make any sense. The one thing I noticed in these relationships though was that they were poly where the D-type had "compatmentalized" the relationships... and it took years to create the relationships. And I'm with the other folks. What you are asking for here is very valuable... and why would I give up my life to do all these things in nowhere Ohio? Maybe you are a self-made millionaire or you have a nice inheritance that would allow you to afford the things necessary in this kind of relationship - food, clothing, shelter, medical care, retirement savings, etc. that the domestic servant would need. That seems to me a rather expensive proposition. But you know your circumstances. And on a side note, you may want to change your wording in your profile - it violates TOS. Good luck, sunshine

MasterKing1 -> RE: Domestic Servants? Butlers, Valets and the Like.. (12/3/2009 3:55:30 AM)
Yes, you're correct. Under normal circumstances they would be taking an outside position, to work and the like. I've noticed a trend in the majority I've met/spoken with wishing to keep their outside careers and coming home to serve under the 24/7 live in situation. I also work myself, running a business I've built myself. We would live together, still continue our career paths but also retain our roles within our D/s relationship. If either one of us wished that to change, then of course it could be discussed. Any strong and successful relationship has some compromise, and one related to BDSM would be no different in that. A very good point, thank you for your input! :-) -Angelus

DesFIP -> RE: Domestic Servants? Butlers, Valets and the Like.. (12/3/2009 4:06:04 AM)
You're looking for someone to work for you as a butler/manservant for free in return for nothing. Perhaps you ought to see how much such a position earns on the open market. Upwards of $30,000 is my educated guess.

sirsholly -> RE: Domestic Servants? Butlers, Valets and the Like.. (12/3/2009 4:07:17 AM)
quote: And on a side note, you may want to change your wording in your profile - it violates TOS. i didn't read the whole thing...but your profile screams MEMEMEME!!!!!!! You are asking someone to hand themselves over to you, to assist you in all aspects of daily living including dressing and bathing. The only thing i could do was wonder what the hell is stopping you from doing it yourself. A good relationship means BOTH parties give equally to the other. What you are asking for is all take and no give.

LaTigresse -> RE: Domestic Servants? Butlers, Valets and the Like.. (12/3/2009 4:07:48 AM)
I know a woman that is quite wealthy and lives in a very large house in rural upstate NY. Her housekeeping and indoor domestic needs are taken care of by a, somewhat revolving door, of slaves. While it is a lovely way for a slave to gain experience in a heavily S&M toned, high protocol, style of serving.it is not ideal for long term service. Unless the slave is also wealthy. Last I knew, she offered no financial reward, no security for the slave long term. I believe most of her slaves sign on for a period of time, like a year, then move on. The world we live in makes it vital for all people to consider things like health care, retirement planning, etc. If young, a free education would be a good way to begin. For a person to give up a paying job and come live with you, give everything to you, you absolutely MUST be able to offer that person a security net for their future. Unless the slave is wealthy, if you cannot do the above, the odds of you finding what you describe is pretty poor.

sirsholly -> RE: Domestic Servants? Butlers, Valets and the Like.. (12/3/2009 4:09:33 AM)
quote: I've noticed a trend in the majority I've met/spoken with wishing to keep their outside careers and coming home to serve under the 24/7 live in situation. and of course..they are expected to hand the ol paycheck over...

LaTigresse -> RE: Domestic Servants? Butlers, Valets and the Like.. (12/3/2009 4:13:19 AM)
Holly, that is an arrangement many do have. With a foundation of trust and agreement that the person handling the finances is doing so with the wellbeing of all involved in mind. The guy simply needs to flesh out what he is about, what he believes his responsibilities are, etc.........to give a prospective s-type an idea of the master he would be. Less about how cool he is, more about what he offers and feels his responsibilities towards his ideal slave are.

CarrieO -> RE: Domestic Servants? Butlers, Valets and the Like.. (12/3/2009 4:30:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesFIP You're looking for someone to work for you as a butler/manservant for free in return for nothing. Perhaps you ought to see how much such a position earns on the open market. Upwards of $30,000 is my educated guess. Again, depending on what part of the country, the yearly wage for a butler/house manager position could be anywhere from $50,000 and up including benefits and many times some form of retirement plan. I know a few in my area who are in the $75-$80,000 range, even with the economy as it is. If the OP chose to google "household staff" or something similar, he would see exactly how valuable this type of position is in the workforce. It requires many years of training and education. OP...as I said, reality is a great thing. I know the area you mention you're from in Ohio, the cost of living and the availability of jobs. I would suggest you step away from the fantasy that is your profile and step into reality. While this type of situation could be concieved of in a D/s sense, or something similar, I feel you'll need to be clearer in what you can offer and what this responsibility entails on your part as the owner of such a slave. Are you able to care for a person...their needs...or are you expecting them to be responsible for things like health care and future planning? This isn't a game. And yes, I have experience...professional experience...in this area.

LaTigresse -> RE: Domestic Servants? Butlers, Valets and the Like.. (12/3/2009 4:32:51 AM)
MK, I went and read your profile and have a few things to offer based upon what I've read here and there. Now, first of all, try to take what I am saying with the non combative, and attempt to be helpful, intent it is meant in. Apparently I haven't had my morning vial of bitch juice so I am feeling rather uncharacteristically good natured. Everything you have written reflects a young, narcissistic guy that is still unsettled and unstable in life. There is nothing wrong with that, but it will make finding a devoted slave a bit more difficult. Based upon what I know, and granted it's not a lot, most s-types are drawn to security and stability. You write of still being in school, being willing to relocate, etc.......these are NOT bad things, simply transitional and unstable. There simply HAS to be something in it for them. Because your hawt, isn't enough. If I were you, I would really focus on gaining a solid footing in life, having a stable career and home, then you can brag about what you have to offer and how a slave will fit in your life and serve you beyond a vague 'do for me because I am cool'. With most s-types, it takes more than hot abs and cool factor. Become the master the type of slave you want, would desire to serve. Right now I don't see it but with some time, potential.

Lucienne -> RE: Domestic Servants? Butlers, Valets and the Like.. (12/3/2009 4:37:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterKing1 Acting as chauffeur, personal assistant at home and in public, bodyguard, butler as well as a number of other miscellaneous requirements. What on earth is going on in small town Ohio that you would require a bodyguard? At a practical level, even if you could find someone to play this role, the odds of him coming across as merely the "hired help" to the public is just shy of zero. Maybe if you were a well known successful middle aged businessman and you had the guy running around town doing errands for you. But a 20 year old with a body man? I dunno... that would kind of scream gay bdsm to me. (or running numbers for the mob). Not that there's anything wrong with that... I'm just saying if discretion is part of your kink, you're unlikely to pull that part off. Agreed with all the practical points made by others... dude, even Smithers got paid.

CaringandReal -> RE: Domestic Servants? Butlers, Valets and the Like.. (12/3/2009 4:45:20 AM)
You'll get far more useful responses from the people who have had actual, real experience witht this. I suppose that goes without saying. LaTigresse's information, while secondhand, is a very good start. There's someone who occasionally posts here who's had extersive first-hand expereince with what you are describing. Her name is CallaFirestormBW. Maybe she will see this thread and offer her very sensible and actually informed (smile) two cents. If not, do look up her former posts.

Avralivia -> RE: Domestic Servants? Butlers, Valets and the Like.. (12/3/2009 4:53:19 AM)
In response to the OP: I am sure a lot of people would be interested if you were offering them a traditional D/s role, while allowing them to work, and offering them what they need to be happy and thrive whilst serving you. Now that is indeed easier said than done, not just to find the right words for your profile, but difficult to live the reality too.

thishereboi -> RE: Domestic Servants? Butlers, Valets and the Like.. (12/3/2009 4:56:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse Holly, that is an arrangement many do have. With a foundation of trust and agreement that the person handling the finances is doing so with the wellbeing of all involved in mind. The guy simply needs to flesh out what he is about, what he believes his responsibilities are, etc.........to give a prospective s-type an idea of the master he would be. Less about how cool he is, more about what he offers and feels his responsibilities towards his ideal slave are. Well after reading this thread and your comment as well as others, I thought I would take a look at the profile and see what everyone is talking about. I'm a little confused about a couple points. First he says "I claim to be experienced because I am in fact an experienced Dom, and comfortable with my assumption in that respect. I've played a very active role in this lifestyle as such for five years now." Then he goes on to say- "For many years I lived a quiet meek life wondering what all the hype was about. Then I discovered subs like you. Submissive, subservient creatures who like nothing better than pleasing a Superior Master like Me." So according to his first statement he has been very active in this lifestyle since he was 15, so when was this period where he lived a "quiet meek" life....when he was 10? Next thing that puzzles me, is if he is looking for all these subs to take care of him and his home, but is willing to relocate, so where is he living now? And if this part is true "Also, you will have some responsibility in managing the organization of a number of other lower charges serving me. In a sense, you'll act as my right hand man, if it's decided that you had earned the honor and privilege of that position." Then he already has a number of other slaves, so where are they living right now and will they relocate along with their master? The last thing that puzzles me is this one. " think it's only fair you know. I am NOT a gay man. I am a VERY STRAIGHT male Dominant with some bisexual tendencies. What that means is this. I am NOT physically attracted to men. I do NOT go out looking for men on a romantic level. But regardless of this, I will use the male slaves body sexually to release my sexual urges if that is what I wish at the time, just as I would any slaves body." Now I always understood that being gay means being sexually attracted to the same sex, so it seems to me if someone is getting sexual gratification from another male, then he is at least bi. Other wise he would not get anything from having sex with another man.

Avralivia -> RE: Domestic Servants? Butlers, Valets and the Like.. (12/3/2009 5:39:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi <SNIP> Interesting stuff The f word comes to mind.

Underumam -> RE: Domestic Servants? Butlers, Valets and the Like.. (12/3/2009 5:54:28 AM)
Being originally from Ohio, I can say that Barberton is NOT "small town Ohio." It's basically a suburb of Akron.

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