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Is your submissive also connected to your Spiritual bel... - 12/4/2009 6:32:11 AM

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"Humilation though used as a punishment is not fun and it has been seldom use on me. As hard as it is, the ending result is putting me back in my place. my mind settles again, and i am at peace. For me it is a mental orgasim, and when i release i am safe in my world again. i am living and breathing humbleness"

The above was my reply on a humilation thread in general. It got me thinking, and decided to create a seperate post. .

My submissive personality has always been a direct line to the God and Goddess i serve. It is more of a religous experience for me, and what orginally got me into BDSM. Everything i do in my life, is my expression of serving my Goddess and God. I consider myself a kitchen witch also known as a hearth witch. All the ingredients i put into my cauldron, pot, is gather and put into as a way to show my love to my God and Goddess. Being a Jew as well, i honor my family's heritage and make a lot of chicken soup with matza balls:). What i am saying though is that it is in my devotion that i serve the Deities. How i talk, how i present myself, how i honor other people is all a direct reflection of how i have joy in serving then. This is also linked into my human life by serving a partner/ vanilla and now serving a Dom. There are times i can get to much into the ME and not the me, that it has been necessary for my discipline, for both late hubby and ex Dom's and David Sir to take this ME and knock her back to the me. It is important that this is done for me.

My road to serving is always linked to my spiritual devotion, which is expressed to who i am serving at the time, and goes beyond, to how i represent Goddess, God and Sir as their representation of all they are. Even though my belief is devoted and be a slave to Goddess/God, i now not all are on a religous path. Yes serving their Dom's can still be a very spiritual link. I embrace all religions and those who have none. It doesn't matter to me who you believe in, or don't. BDSM for me is a tool to help me practice and live my devotion. I am curious to others thoughts on this.

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**correction..title should been is your submissive nature also connected to your Spiritual beliefs. **

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RE: Is your submissive also connected to your Spiritual... - 12/4/2009 8:17:35 AM

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I don't understand what you're asking.

Do I worship him? No, I'm not allowed to. He knows he's fallible and will fall if put on a pedastal.

Could you clarify what you mean by the two me's? Because I didn't follow that at all.

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RE: Is your submissive also connected to your Spiritual... - 12/4/2009 8:34:41 AM

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My impression with the "Me"s is maybe it's meant:

ME - centered around herself, if she gets to "into" herself as in me, me, me

me - About how she as a person should be serving and respecting all things and people.

My

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RE: Is your submissive also connected to your Spiritual... - 12/4/2009 8:41:23 AM

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I think learning to recognize and honor that spark of divine that exists in every person, no matter how you personally conceptualize your spirituality, is a positive ability that everyone, dominant or submissive, vanilla or kink, should cultivate (if you're an atheist or agnostic, maybe you'd recognize it as some quality of shared humanity, perhaps).

My spirituality affects and influences everything in my life, not just worship services and holidays. So of course it plays into my sexuality and my submission as well. For me, spirituality is part of who I am, not a garment I cast aside when church is done.

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RE: Is your submissive also connected to your Spiritual... - 12/4/2009 8:42:46 AM

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Hi Desfip
I will be happy too, and apologize for not making it clear.

No i do not worship anyone in physical form. What i do is worship and honor the Deity i pray too through my service to others, especially the partner i am with.

I use Me and me to represent the following: Me= more important then serving or representing my Diety. What i want now, verses what is wanted from me. This can be also applied into a relationship. What Me wants instead of what Sir wants. Me= more important then following the spiritual path i say i walk. Talking the walk verses walking it. The 'me'= is humble and walks her walk instead of talking it. the 'me' from a spiritual viewpoint is being connected to the need to serve the world verses Herself. The 'me' understand life is not always rosie place, but works hard to maintain her humbleness and need to do as told, even when i might not want too. Remember this is how i have related and lived my life, on a spiritual premises for the majority of my life, and how i still strive to do so. . It is the most important link in my life. To walk it is not easy, especially when my ME starts thumping her chest and acts out to what is appropriate for her spiritual path. i see this though also in connection to D/s and M/s..it still is a path, and i still at times wrestle with the Me attitude ..also imo, the childish brat. My submissive nature has been always more on a spiritual road. My breath and being is on there. I know it is different for everyone, but my submissive nature is deeply rooted there, and in both Deity, and the one i am serving, i must strive for the 'me' and not the Me.

i hope that helps, DesFip

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RE: Is your submissive also connected to your Spiritual... - 12/4/2009 8:55:39 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Drifa

I think learning to recognize and honor that spark of divine that exists in every person, no matter how you personally conceptualize your spirituality, is a positive ability that everyone, dominant or submissive, vanilla or kink, should cultivate (if you're an atheist or agnostic, maybe you'd recognize it as some quality of shared humanity, perhaps).

My spirituality affects and influences everything in my life, not just worship services and holidays. So of course it plays into my sexuality and my submission as well. For me, spirituality is part of who I am, not a garment I cast aside when church is done.

Thank you Drifa.. I so agree and find it so powerful to just be.

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RE: Is your submissive also connected to your Spiritual... - 12/4/2009 8:57:07 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Elizabeth666

My impression with the "Me"s is maybe it's meant:

ME - centered around herself, if she gets to "into" herself as in me, me, me

me - About how she as a person should be serving and respecting all things and people.

My

thank you Elizabeth..Very well expressed. Some days, especially without my full dose of coffee, i tend to get very wordie..Thanks for making it simple and easy to understand:)

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RE: Is your submissive also connected to your Spiritual... - 12/4/2009 9:47:08 AM

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quote:

I am curious to others thoughts on this.

Way over the top. And it is matzah balls, or matzo balls.

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RE: Is your submissive also connected to your Spiritual... - 12/4/2009 9:53:07 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: antipode

quote:

I am curious to others thoughts on this.

Way over the top. And it is matzah balls, or matzo balls.

That is fine with this being way over the top. Thank you for correcting my spelling. Yes, i make wonderful matzah balls.

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RE: Is your submissive also connected to your Spiritual... - 12/4/2009 12:07:01 PM

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I really have no spiritual connection in my life to a higher being or to my Dom or to BDSM in general and I feel fine having it be that way. I don't feel I'm missing out at all or that I harbor a yearning for something to fill that section of myself. The whole subject for myself is neutral. I honor other's beliefs and wouldn't be opposed to some awakening of my own but it hasn't happened as of now and I'm fine with that.

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RE: Is your submissive also connected to your Spiritual... - 12/4/2009 12:13:51 PM

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Thank you lizi for your post. I too honor what you feel, and coming from me might not be a good thing..chuckles. Am the type you will find outside hugging a tree:). i always been spiritually driven, more then religion.. As a child i wanted to be the first female moses..go figure. My parents were blessed with 2 odd children out of three..very deeply spiritual, right brain thinkers. it just so much who i am and then finding BDSM and opening new doors to explore in this has left me breathless:)

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RE: Is your submissive also connected to your Spiritual... - 12/4/2009 12:27:23 PM

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Yes, in the sense that my D/s is a part of my authentic self, just as my spirituality is.

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RE: Is your submissive also connected to your Spiritual... - 12/4/2009 2:11:36 PM

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I don't have any external anything that I worship, nor do I believe in or follow any gods, but I do teach metaphysical disciplines and disciplines to increase awareness through a group called the Illuminance Fellowship and the Ostendia center (Ostend is an old word, meaning to enlighten or to understand), and yes, some of those who yield within our household also share mine and my closest companions' metaphysical path -- but some do not, and that's fine too.

One thing that I've noticed, though, is that among those who are also my students at the Ostendia Center (our metaphysical school), the combined disciplines of both authority-exchange and metaphysical training provides a very intense level of yielding and a particular grace in dealing with the challenges of submission that it seems to me are a little harder to sort through for those who are strictly involved on a secular level, even in the same household. It isn't that either option is better or worse... more that the metaphysical disciplines seem to provide tools that soften some of the discordance between the outside world and the world within the confines of our household and center.

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RE: Is your submissive also connected to your Spiritual... - 12/4/2009 2:41:58 PM

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Being Jewish also, I find it is a very nonmystical religion, entirely rooted in the practical. None of this "I lusted in my heart" stuff. Lusting in your heart is legitimate, acting out on it with someone you shouldn't be, is not.

I do find there are common grounds between many of the precepts and thoughts and that of a D/s relationship. However I disagree that being selfish, wanting to have your needs met, being happy is wrong. If my needs aren't met, if I'm not selfish enough to tell him when I'm hungry, tired, need a hug, need a break, then I'm just being a martyr. And despite Jewish mothers being characterized as handing out guilt masterly, that's not something I enjoy.

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RE: Is your submissive also connected to your Spiritual... - 12/4/2009 2:45:29 PM

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To me, my spirituality is a result of my needing a Savior, not because i am naturally submissive.

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RE: Is your submissive also connected to your Spiritual... - 12/5/2009 2:11:41 AM

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I suppose the nearest spiritual thing I can relate to with Stephen and me is very Tantra.
I was thinking about this recently when I stopped to contemplate why I enjoyed play piercings and branding and why I think of neither as BDSM.
When we work together with needles or hot steel we cocoon ourselves, focus in such a deep way, our minds merge as we remove ourselves from the environment and become almost welded together. Its so incredibly deep that it feels somewhat spiritual and the euphoria that follows has never been matched by anything else.
Its the same with my two needle bunnies. They are both beautiful girls and get approached by other piercers for demos and the like but always turn them down because like Steve and me, we have reached this unspoken connection, a knowing place and an incredibly special place that has gone weigh beyond the point of the needle.

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RE: Is your submissive also connected to your Spiritual... - 12/5/2009 2:23:10 AM

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Being Jewish also, I find it is a very nonmystical religion, entirely rooted in the practical. None of this "I lusted in my heart" stuff. Lusting in your heart is legitimate, acting out on it with someone you shouldn't be, is not.

Agreed. This is part of why I am struggling to convert.

Personally, I'm more religious than spiritual though I still have a strongly spiritual side. Neither are actively connected to my submission. It's just part of who I am. The OP may want to look up LuckyAlbtross' old posts regarding sex and spirituality.

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I do find there are common grounds between many of the precepts and thoughts and that of a D/s relationship. However I disagree that being selfish, wanting to have your needs met, being happy is wrong. If my needs aren't met, if I'm not selfish enough to tell him when I'm hungry, tired, need a hug, need a break, then I'm just being a martyr. And despite Jewish mothers being characterized as handing out guilt masterly, that's not something I enjoy.

Agreed again.

I agree with the OP that there are similiarities between how I relate to G-d in terms and how I relate to Valyraen. But there are also similiarities between how I relate to Val and how I relate to say... a boss. People are people with control over me. And honestly, I trust "whatever man/woman" upstairs to know what they are doing, even if I wanted to ask them, I can't. Or rather I can but so far I haven't gotten any answers. Valyraen I can get to explain things to me!

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RE: Is your submissive also connected to your Spiritual... - 12/5/2009 3:26:41 AM

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Connected would not be the word i would use...i believe that my submissiveness is an orientation, like my bisexuality, like my being poly oriented (thats next on the nurture or nature discussion list)...but i have found reconciliation with my orientations in the New Testimate (i am Christian)...though the poly may change if i decide to become a leader in the church...but that's neither here nor there...wives are told to submit to their husbands...so there is comfort in knowing that i am "in the right place" religiously...and if i didn't find the reconciliation i would have the same spiritual beliefs but have to consider changing my religion or perhaps just becoming nonreligious, though i enjoy church....

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RE: Is your submissive also connected to your Spiritual... - 12/5/2009 4:16:03 AM

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Yes absolutely, the submission has been my biggest tool to overcome the needs, wants and demands of my ego and connect with my higher self. Serving Master has for the first time allowed me to move away from all that and to totally focus on someone else. We continue to develop our spiritual link as well as our physical, emotional and mental link.

Serving him brings me peace, happiness, confidence and energy. All these help me to maintain my connection to the higher energies. It has reinforced who I am. The more I submit the more my spirituality advances and the more I pursue my spiritual studies the easier I find it to submit.

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RE: Is your submissive also connected to your Spiritual... - 12/5/2009 4:58:53 AM

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Good morning!
i got my coffee here so maybe I can answer after a few gulps :: laughs:: I am Pagan-a mix of basically high magick and Kabbalah with lots of litttles thrown in like Catholicism, Voodoo, Judaism, Hermetic, etc. My feelings are quite the opposite, I am not sub to my Goddess (Mama Bast...Hermetic) or God (Abba...Jewish) but I will do what they want. And in doing their Will, I am strong, sure minded, decisive and sometimes-cold, if the task requires it. Warning you I am not Wiccan so all that happy "do no harm stuff" does not apply to me. If anything, a woman with my belief structure should be a Domme, not a slave. We control the lower planes while the Deities work on the higher ones, therefore they give us power and strength to complete our task.
Submission/salvery is more about my feelings inside my heart rather than my head or anything tangible. I have always been brought up to take care of everyone else rather than myself. It is in my nature, it is me. Has nothing to do with my religion or spirituality. Daddy/Master is Catholic, is that connected?? Dont' think so otherwise where is his place as a man in a religion that says "Just do what we say, don't think too hard"? Dominant as a man or submissive to the Pope's (God's) will? hmmm, need more coffee. Good luck!
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