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Are we there yet ? - 12/4/2009 7:47:27 AM   
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I mean third world status, or something. I am not sure what I mean.

In my junk mail the other day I get a flyer from Dave's supermarket. Right next to an ad for Premium romaine lettuce trio salad mix for $2.99 is an ad that read the following : (the name is omitted to stay on the safe side of TOS)

"L___ W______, a graduate of Tri-C,
has been a cashier at Dave's
Markets for five years

Where futures begin          www.tri-c.edu
                                        800-954-8742"

You are allowed to laugh, but after a time it sets in - it is not fucking funny. I mean no disrespect for cashiers at all, but really it is not all that great of a job. Many see it as a job one takes to put one's self through school.

Don't get me wrong, I have alot of respect for someone who willl work at a crappy job to make ends meet rather than living off the public dole. But what of the ad ? What does it say about our life and times ? Is it that our educational system is so poor that we need higher education for such a job ? Or does it mean that jobs are so scarce, that unemployment and underemployment is so rampant that to compete for such a job you need to go to college ? Or both maybe ?

Or is it that the PR department at Tri-C U would do better as cashiers at Dave's ? I mean is this the most handsomely paid top knotch employee, the best of their alumni who will allow their name and picture to be used in such an ad ?

Or (all seriousness aside) if you don't go to college they'll make your ass BAG the groceries ? Can't touch those fifty cent off coupons. Stay away from anything with buttons.

T
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RE: Are we there yet ? - 12/4/2009 2:51:36 PM   
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The lettuce is over priced.

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RE: Are we there yet ? - 12/4/2009 5:41:24 PM   
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RE: Are we there yet ? - 12/4/2009 7:03:08 PM   
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$1.59.

Romain is not even as good as Iceberg.   Iceberg can be bought for $1.29.     (Aldis)

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RE: Are we there yet ? - 12/4/2009 8:18:05 PM   
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Term, there was a time I could barely understand the things you wrote on here.

Lately, I am becoming a Termy fan.
 
:)

We are not quite there yet T, but we sure the hell are on the way!!!


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RE: Are we there yet ? - 12/5/2009 12:20:00 AM   
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Mia, I appreciate your fine words, but I must give you the followoing caveat.

I am at least twenty times more radical than I will express. You just have no idea. I could never express it here, nor in a mail. I am involved with mind games at the moment and I am staerting to think my opponents came unarmed. People really have no chance.

I can do anything, I can shoot my own Mother right between the eyes and not even flinch. I can also return a dastardly deed with kindness, Which is more powerful ? I have had meanness returned with kindness to me, do you know how that feels ? You fuck someone over and they do you a favor, how do you respond to that ?

This technique seems to have spawned from Christianity, but it did not. "They" would have you believe that all morality stems from the writings of people who died between two thousand and four thousand years ago. Nothing could be farther from the truth.

Actuallly there have been days when I thought about giving up my job and going a simpler way, like making the donuts or whatever. But it would never cover my bills. You know what that means ? It means that I am a slave. However I am a Master at the same time. They don't tell me at work, they ask me.

But all that aside, I have to go to college to be a cashier ? Shit, I am a tenth grade dropout, and didn't see much of the ninth either. In this venue, in this context, am I asking more for a more accurate definition of education ?

If so, OK then.

T

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RE: Are we there yet ? - 12/5/2009 7:45:44 AM   
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I'd say we are not there yet.  We will never be third world status no matter how badly it gets here.  Ever been to a third world country?

I imagine the ad is there to hopefully get people thinking.  While pondering the idea of being able to afford to spend the money on that lettuce. 

I know kids who are going to college now because they cannot find a job.  Little do they know that a college education gets you nothing anymore depending on where you live in the country. 

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RE: Are we there yet ? - 12/6/2009 12:10:35 AM   
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John S fell out of a Catholic grade school  and got pretty much a free ride through St. Ignatius, one of the best H schools in this country. From there he went on to UWM and had job offers even before graduation.

I believe that anyone with the aptitude should have access to education, whether or not I would take advantage of it or not is my business. Communist dictatorships give free education to their young and we can't ?

My Mother is a graduate of St. John Cantious (sp) which was a very good school. When I make a typo here at three AM I call her in the morning to find out how it should be done. She had alot of shit jobs but finally landed a good one. In the interim, she worked for fastener places, screws and bolts and that.

Some needed to be plated and she figured out that due to how it was done, and everything, they should mix very small screws with quite large screws. Save a few bucks on the batch, and this makes them very easy to separate when the come back.

Now, in just what fucking class do they teach something like that ?

Maybe we need a better definition of education.

T

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RE: Are we there yet ? - 12/6/2009 1:22:17 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

I mean third world status, or something. I am not sure what I mean.

In my junk mail the other day I get a flyer from Dave's supermarket. Right next to an ad for Premium romaine lettuce trio salad mix for $2.99 is an ad that read the following : (the name is omitted to stay on the safe side of TOS)

"L___ W______, a graduate of Tri-C,
has been a cashier at Dave's
Markets for five years

Where futures begin          www.tri-c.edu
                                        800-954-8742"

You are allowed to laugh, but after a time it sets in - it is not fucking funny. I mean no disrespect for cashiers at all, but really it is not all that great of a job. Many see it as a job one takes to put one's self through school.

Don't get me wrong, I have alot of respect for someone who willl work at a crappy job to make ends meet rather than living off the public dole. But what of the ad ? What does it say about our life and times ? Is it that our educational system is so poor that we need higher education for such a job ? Or does it mean that jobs are so scarce, that unemployment and underemployment is so rampant that to compete for such a job you need to go to college ? Or both maybe ?

Or is it that the PR department at Tri-C U would do better as cashiers at Dave's ? I mean is this the most handsomely paid top knotch employee, the best of their alumni who will allow their name and picture to be used in such an ad ?

Or (all seriousness aside) if you don't go to college they'll make your ass BAG the groceries ? Can't touch those fifty cent off coupons. Stay away from anything with buttons.

T


Well i can't speak for that market, but i know for a fact the cashiers were making over 10 dollars an hour plus full benefits back in the late 80's and employees who worked in groceries stores were making over 17 an hour again back in the late 80's.
Yes you pretty much need a college degree for anything these days. Not that it makes you any smarter but it shows employers that you can finish something. Some fast food places require 4 year degrees to enter their management program.
Yes there are going to many people who are much more educated taking some of the lower paying jobs as a way to make ends meet. Until we get through the total collasp of the economy which will happen. as it is inevitiable, if you only have a limited education, don't expect anyone to be able to help you.

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RE: Are we there yet ? - 12/6/2009 7:42:24 AM   
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I believe that where the west is heading in general, (which means the US and UK and those who follow the same model for definite, but maybe not the remainder who follow other models), is to a situation alike with Brazil today - that is a very small percentage of the population (2-5%) being exceedingly rich and powerful and maintaining that status by removing themselves from the rest of the population, whilst below them is a small (very much smaller than today) middle class of professionals and high ranking public officials (10-15%) and below them is a sizeable working class (25-30%) and at the bottom, representing around 40-60% of the population is a poverty level class living in hopeless squalor.

The movement in classes as they are today to the predicted classes will be by way of the erosion of the middle classes into the working classes and the erosion of the working classes into the poverty classes. The poverty classes will support themselves through criminal activity - mainly directed against their own class in the ghettos where they live, and be subject to further crime themselves, coming down in the form of semi official oppression from the middle class public officials who shall use and abuse them to their own corrupt ends given that salaries even for these fairly fortunate individuals will be much lower than they are today and will require "top up" by such methods.

The comparative incomes and standard of living will fall for all, except for the 2-5% of those at the top who shall be largely aloof from the struggles of those below them, living in protected environments where they rarely have to see or hear of the lower classes aside from those public officials working to their direction and protection.

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RE: Are we there yet ? - 12/6/2009 10:07:26 PM   
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Damn, where did you get that brain LE ?

Yes indeed, where is it going ? Talk of the disappearance of the middle class has been going on as long as the middle class has been eroded here. What is the final outcome ?

History says revolution. Read it and weep if you must, but years ago there was a formula for the money the poorest and richest make, and characteristically throughout history when the disparity gets to a certain point revolution was inevitable.

Now things are skewed mainly because of conditions. Most of us live, at least partially off of credit. We are used to things. What's more, information disseminated to the public is carefully screened and spun. This has prolonged the life of the tyrants over us, all of us. The fear of the wrath of government doesn't help much either.

You just don't know how bad it is. Part of what they do where I work is to install new or good used screens in projection TVs. How did it get broken ? They inadvertently threw the Wii remote through it. These are adults ?

I guess they do grow up a bit when they get the bill. For a used fresnel/lenticular combo, it is five dollars per diagonal inch. New is about double that. The prices only go up from there, if there is anything special about the screen. They pay it, but sometimes I wonder if they paid the electric bill. You can have a more intelligent conversation with a rock than with most of these people.

With plasma TVs and direct view LCDs they will grow up alot quicker. You throw something through those screens and you simply need a new TV, case closed.

I have heard of people with cable but no house insurance. I have seen people cry at the front counter because their TV is waiting for a part. I have had the secretary come back to "ask an expert" because a customer wanted to know if when you watch TV, can they see you too ?

It is disgusting, and frankly a bit scary how much people have been dumbed down. In the days, a sixth grader could be a cashier, of course after that bit of training and time to gain familiarity with whatever system is in use. You might hear these stories about people who cannot read their own diploma, and I can attest to that fact, it is true. You can't attribute that to the age of specialization. Sombitch works on HVAC, has a diploma and a technical degree that I had to help him get by teaching him math, basic math. To this day he still can't balance a checkbook.

And if you think he is stoopid, I think he would have alot better chance to be elected President than I.

In the words of my Aunt Carol : How does that grab you ?

T

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RE: Are we there yet ? - 12/7/2009 2:40:48 PM   
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My brain came out of the lower British orders T, (the lower working class, or poverty class as it became from about 1981), and was upgraded by way of desperate aspiration to escape the same fate despite the forces dragging it back. When my peers were at university, funded by their middle class parents, I was driving a forklift and doing unskilled manual labour to fund evening college and help pay the mortgage, as well as buy myself a car that of course I loved but was nowhere near the motors my peers drove, again funded by middle class parents.

The only way for me was and remains up - meanwhile the only way for those comfortable in their middle class lives for a few generations now is down; they have no idea whats coming their way, I do and I know what I have to do to keep up whilst they believe quite wrongly theyre set for life. I know I'm nothing more than just another pleb, three months from starving on the streets - they dont.

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RE: Are we there yet ? - 12/7/2009 8:29:46 PM   
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Many people are indeed going to experience a very rude awakening.

Actually I might get a bit more than three months because I have a paid off house, but that doesn't mean all that much.

Your timing is impeccable though, in light of the fact that just yesterday I had a talk with my Mother and sinister about the poverty in which we lived when we were young. See now I have three roomies and they were arguing about who pays for what around here and like that. I got so disgusted I decided to go over Mom's. One threatens to get a job and get the fuck out. None of them have any idea how to argue effectively and they won't listen to reason.

Who buys what ? They buy the food, that's the deal. They got welfare for that and really for four people the food budget is over $600 a month not including anything from me. OK it's supposed to be for three people but I really don't eat that much.

The discussion at Mom's segued into a discussion of my Mother's childhood. After that I figure we were rich. At least usually we had something good on Sunday, she got rice and milk. The discussion there did not much to help me cope with this. They don't have the conception of not being able to afford meat.

Meantime Mom and sis and I discussed welfare. At one point Mom did get a check. She had been sick and unable to work. Cashed about three of those checks and when she informed them that she no longer needed it because she was back to work they almost couldn't believe it. Mind you this was over three decades ago. We joked "Think it's hard to get on welfare, just try to get off".

We were, as the rest of the family, taught not to ask for help. By the time we ask for something we have already tried to get it on our own. Or perhaps a stroke of bad luck. As a result I have a hard time asking for a cigarette. Our ilk has absolutely no sense of entitlement that is so rampant these days. There is more.

If I lost my job I would be forced to either take a shit job or start my own business. And one of my roomies now, would have been an employee of my company, and paid well. However he does not understand the proletariat concept of selling one's time. If you want someone to buy your time aka hiring you, you sell your time and make sure it stays valuable. This guy thinks it is prefectly fine to do a $500 job for the company and make twice that on side jobs for MY customer. Although friends for decades, he will never work for me and maybe it's better that way. How is he entitled to MY truck(s), MY materials and MY hard earned money spent on advertising ?

I don't give him the boot because over the years I have found that there are alot worse out there. This attitude that the world owes you something is a pandemic. It, like other things I find disgusting about humanity are so prevalent that most people are used to it.

To insist on perfection will lead into a very lonely, isolated life. But I am really getting tired of lowering my standards again and again. What happened ?

My neighbor, a nice Woman really, told me that the city would buy paint for me to paint my house. I flatly refused. To be nice I told her - which is true, that when this house gets painted it will either be with Benjamin Moore or Pratt & Lambert paint, not that overhyped low quality Sherwin Williams. But the fact of the matter is that I want nothing from them. They want too much information anyway, like on the very first line of an application : Name____________________. Putting my name there is asking for help, help which I really do not need.

Now I have a real dilemma. I have a severe cataract in my right eye, which used to be my good eye. Working, even driving is hell. Now that I have tweo sets of bills and one income, I might just have to ask because I simply can't afford the surgery. Mind you this is not going to a doctor for the treatment of a disease, it's more like 'fix this'. I've gone for ear infections, roids, that's about it. Never for a disease. If my body can't cure it I will die. But if I live I don't want to be deaf or blind.

Now to find the money if I can. I could sell my piano but I don't think that'll cover it. I have a bunch of machines in the basement I could sell, but I really don't want to. Should I just get over it and apply ? That is a very hard step for me to take. I am in the "class" of people who would rather give up some of their goodies and toys to regain good eyesight, rather than to burden the taxpayer yet further. I might not be part of the solution, but I certainly don't want to be part of the problem. It will require alot of justification and rationalization before I make such a move to ask for assistance. Right now I can see well enough that I still have fairly decent depth perception, and the pain from bright lights is, for the moment, tolerable.

But then these things are not known to just get better by themselves. Who knows what I might have to do in the months or years to come. Also the days of my employability in my field are numbered. This is not just because of me, it is also because of external factors. I might have to change my tune someday.

For now, I don't think my pride is false, and I intend to do whatever it takes to hold on to it. If that means taking a shit job so be it. But there is no way in hell I am going to a college or university to make half of what I make now.

Why do I usually have to look within my own family to find people of such mettle ? Sometimes I don't even measure up.

I imagine being across the pond you never saw the first episode of The Beverly Hillbillies.

Oilman : That slew of your's is full of oil.
Jed : I know that.
Oilman : Well my company would like to pump it out.
Jed : I'd like that too, I just can't afford to have it done.
Oilman : You wouldn't have to pay.
Jed : We don't take favors from strangers.

Of course that was a fictional comedy, but that exchange sticks in my mind. Everybody has a good laugh, but doesn't realize what it illustrates. It shows something that is waning in humanity I think, and that is pride. People now think that pride is generated by driving a fancy car or having a fancy house. Nothing could be farther from the truth, obviously.

I would take a shit job if that's all that's out there. But by that time, believe me something bad happened.

And I now warn the world. If I ever cross that line, watch out. Even ow, I am in the process of screwing the banks, but that is more like returning the favor. Once I get it done I'll share the details. But to cross the other line and take from others ? Once I do that it is over. My pride will be gone but my intelligence won't. I also know that you can steal more with a pen than with a gun. With the internet, travel time is just about nil. Who knows how long I could survive like that, but I would lose something that is irreplacable. Hint : It starts with the letter P.

If I ever go the low road, be sure that I will have exhausted every other option. I would be damn dangerous too. I know electronics, so it might be a matter of beating alarm systems or something like that, or even telling others how to do so.

My Dad forgot that ethic for a time and ran a chop shop. Years later he remembered. But I know the ways. The guy Orion shot the other day was totally stupid. As a burglar when confronted by a Citizen with a gun, you turn your back. You will see if they have the gonads to shoot you in the back, and you could still lose. That is the risk.

Maybe I actually refound my pride, because I have done a few things that were not very nice to say the least. It was long ago, but it is still a part of me, and part of what keeps me straight is the fact that I want no more guilt. Yes I got away with it. But today most people are not sorry for what they've done, they are sorry that they screwed up somewhere and got caught.

I don't know what else to say at this time, except that we all reap what we sow.

T

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