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Musicmystery -> RE: Our Defense Budget Pours Trillions - Yes, Trillions - Down A Hole. Maybe it's time to fix that? (12/5/2009 8:38:03 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Silence8

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ORIGINAL: switch2please

Let's set aside some of that budget for healthcare as a preemptive strike against future conflicts, insuring that most of us are healthy enough to defend our country if the need arises. We'll declare war on malnourishment and disease (again, ensuring our population is healthy enough to defend ourselves), build a relief fund against future disasters (damn Katrina and those other hurricanes - I mean weather-based environmental terrorists), subsidize higher education (make an associates degree the minimum requirement to enlist, and pay tuition for students committed to join the armed forces).........couldn't these all be construed as D.o.D. expenses?
And if I had wheels, I'd be a bicycle.



What are you talking about? Why do we have to justify spending in terms of war? We don't, and shouldn't.


Dude...she's being ironic, pointing out that she finds both our budget priorities misaligned and our justifications overblown and dishonest.

Read again. You'll get it this time.




AnimusRex -> RE: Our Defense Budget Pours Trillions - Yes, Trillions - Down A Hole. Maybe it's time to fix that? (12/5/2009 10:08:24 AM)

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ORIGINAL: switch2please
Let's set aside some of that budget for healthcare as a preemptive strike against future conflicts, insuring that most of us are healthy enough to defend our country if the need arises. We'll declare war on malnourishment and disease (again, ensuring our population is healthy enough to defend ourselves), build a relief fund against future disasters (damn Katrina and those other hurricanes - I mean weather-based environmental terrorists), subsidize higher education (make an associates degree the minimum requirement to enlist, and pay tuition for students committed to join the armed forces).........couldn't these all be construed as D.o.D. expenses?
And if I had wheels, I'd be a bicycle.


I realize you were being sarcastic-
But the sick fact is, reality has moved beyond your ability to mock it. As I pointed out in the thread about school lunches, free school lunches were long a dream of socialists; but during WWII when it became apparent that poor nutrition was leading to many draftees being underweight, the political establishment agreed to free school lunches as a way of ensuring healthy draft age teenagers. School lunches moved from being a socialist giveaway, to a vital strategic necessity.

The Federal Interstate Highway System was a vast multi-billion dollar program in the 1950's, to link the entire country by hi-speed freeways. It was promoted not just as a method of improving business and personal transportation, but as a way of making wartime transportation of troops and materiel mofe efficiently.

The F-22 fighter jet was not wanted or needed by the Air Force; it was deliberately designed to be constructed in 42 different states- not because this made any engineering or business sense, but because this guaranteed congressional and Senatorial support from 42 states; it was supported (and still is) by many not as a weapon for defense, but as a jobs program, a stimulus to 42 state economies.

The Department of Defense, via the Corps of Engineers and Naval Facilities Command, constructs thousands of units of apartments, houses, schools, post offices, power plants, maintenance facilities, fueling stations, and so on, across the globe, in support of our 1,000 military bases;
We are currently constructing roads, schools, medical clinics, power plants and sewage systems in Iraq and Afghanistan, as part of the COIN strategy of winning over the local populace;
However, we must constantly be reminded that the government is incapable of rebuilding anything in New Orleans because it is fundamentally incapable of doing anything right. Perhaps if Al-Quaida were to blow up the levees, part of the 900 Billion would be appropriated to win over the populace of Louisiana.

The NSA is constructing an electronic surveillance center in Utah, that will monitor and record a vast array of electronic communications as part of its anti-terrorist efforts.
However, we cannot let the government streamline medical records, because this would be intrusive, and the government is incapable of handling vast amounts of private data on American citizens.



In other words....when there is a military need for something, no matter how tangential, or absurdly connected, the money is always....always found.
So if someone can find a connection between medical care and anti-terror, we will have universal coverage within the month.




willbeurdaddy -> RE: Our Defense Budget Pours Trillions - Yes, Trillions - Down A Hole. Maybe it's time to fix that? (12/5/2009 10:13:23 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

I'd rather have the money spent on defense instead of welfare..


This seems ludicrous to me. I can never work out why spending large sums on defence, from real or perceived enemies, is seen as being better than protecting people from illness.


Because without defense there is nobody left to protect from illness, duhhhh.




mnottertail -> RE: Our Defense Budget Pours Trillions - Yes, Trillions - Down A Hole. Maybe it's time to fix that? (12/5/2009 10:18:44 AM)

yes there is. duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh.

Wilbur, Jr.




mnottertail -> RE: Our Defense Budget Pours Trillions - Yes, Trillions - Down A Hole. Maybe it's time to fix that? (12/5/2009 10:31:06 AM)

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=121030785
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/campaign-to-buy-off-taliban-begins

and to top it off, this is where the missing money the IG can't find is:

http://blogs.reuters.com/global/2009/08/13/who-is-funding-the-afghan-taliban-you-dont-want-to-know/

so, we are pounding lotsa dollars down a fucking rat hole.




AnimusRex -> RE: Our Defense Budget Pours Trillions - Yes, Trillions - Down A Hole. Maybe it's time to fix that? (12/5/2009 10:43:36 AM)

Its funny how when the Dept of Energy or Education asks for a budget item, most sensible people are skeptical, and demand to know exactly how they spent last year's budget, and why they need more this year; we hold them rigorously accountable, and correctly criticize them loudly for fraud, abuse, and mismanagement.

Strangely, when the Dept of Defense asks for more, we only ask, "how soon can we get that to you?"




tazzygirl -> RE: Our Defense Budget Pours Trillions - Yes, Trillions - Down A Hole. Maybe it's time to fix that? (12/5/2009 10:47:35 AM)

Could it be because half our congressmen (and women) have a vested interest in the outcome beyond public defense?




mnottertail -> RE: Our Defense Budget Pours Trillions - Yes, Trillions - Down A Hole. Maybe it's time to fix that? (12/5/2009 10:47:59 AM)

you never ask your mom the cost of god, apple pie and the american way......

it is 'defending' something (nobody is quite sure what, but like a baby blanket, we cling without any concern or thought.)




Politesub53 -> RE: Our Defense Budget Pours Trillions - Yes, Trillions - Down A Hole. Maybe it's time to fix that? (12/5/2009 10:55:33 AM)

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

I'd rather have the money spent on defense instead of welfare..


This seems ludicrous to me. I can never work out why spending large sums on defence, from real or perceived enemies, is seen as being better than protecting people from illness.


Because without defense there is nobody left to protect from illness, duhhhh.


Youre clutching at straws again buddy.




Silence8 -> RE: Our Defense Budget Pours Trillions - Yes, Trillions - Down A Hole. Maybe it's time to fix that? (12/5/2009 11:08:13 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


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ORIGINAL: Silence8

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ORIGINAL: switch2please

Let's set aside some of that budget for healthcare as a preemptive strike against future conflicts, insuring that most of us are healthy enough to defend our country if the need arises. We'll declare war on malnourishment and disease (again, ensuring our population is healthy enough to defend ourselves), build a relief fund against future disasters (damn Katrina and those other hurricanes - I mean weather-based environmental terrorists), subsidize higher education (make an associates degree the minimum requirement to enlist, and pay tuition for students committed to join the armed forces).........couldn't these all be construed as D.o.D. expenses?
And if I had wheels, I'd be a bicycle.



What are you talking about? Why do we have to justify spending in terms of war? We don't, and shouldn't.


Dude...she's being ironic, pointing out that she finds both our budget priorities misaligned and our justifications overblown and dishonest.

Read again. You'll get it this time.


I'm not too familiar with the posting individual, so tone is hard to identify. Actually, when I responded, I had the distinct impression (a sickly one, indeed) that I've already seen this post before, made non-ironically.




SpinnerofTales -> RE: Our Defense Budget Pours Trillions - Yes, Trillions - Down A Hole. Maybe it's time to fix that? (12/5/2009 12:52:42 PM)

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I'd rather have the money spent on defense instead of welfare.. ORIGINAL: servantforuse




Yeah, killing people is so much more fun then helping single mothers who make up the majority of welfare recipients and other people who need help. And of course, if we weren't spending that massive amount on weapons and people to use them, we would of course divide up the savings among the lazy good for nothings who live high on the government dime and no savings would be realized by taxpayers.

Thank you for another clear and illuminating opinion.




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