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WyldHrt -> RE: Defended my home (12/11/2009 4:14:53 PM)
quote: If we don't judge the risk to children from improper use of car seats as important enough to do something about - if we're comfortable with that level of risk to a child and it's potentially killing thousands of children every year - why is it that improper safety with firearms, which is a far lower risk and which causes the death of hundreds of children every year so much more vital? Are those 151 children more important than the 2,559 who die from their parent's inability to obtain or operate a child's car seat? Is death by being mangled in a car accident viewed as so preferable to death by shooting that we're okay with twenty times as many children dying that way? Or is it that we just don't really think about it and, well, guns are bad, and a child getting shot with a gun is worse and we need to stop it no matter what? Thank you, IB! Maybe your post will get through to some here who seem to have missed the point I was making by a few dozen yards. Not holding my breath on that, though. [:D]

WyldHrt -> RE: Defended my home (12/11/2009 4:17:53 PM)
quote: IB,not sure about every areas local laws...but when I took my son home from the hospital....a nurse had to bring the baby down to the car ...where she inspected and ensured that the baby seat was both up to snuff and being used in the proper manner.....that was 21 some years ago....I imagine that is pretty standard practice in this country at this time. And yet, over 2000 kids per year still die because their parents or whomever they were with couldn't be arsed to use a car seat properly. [>:]

slvemike4u -> RE: Defended my home (12/11/2009 5:35:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: zephyroftheNorth quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u so after all of this....he shot a fucking raccoon.....and somehow needed to do so three times.....isn't that what they mean by overkill? rotfl you need to set your sarcasm detector higher.....[;)] [:D] Zeph Zeph,if you took my post serious...its your equipment that needs tweaking....LOL

zephyroftheNorth -> RE: Defended my home (12/11/2009 5:39:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u quote: ORIGINAL: zephyroftheNorth quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u so after all of this....he shot a fucking raccoon.....and somehow needed to do so three times.....isn't that what they mean by overkill? rotfl you need to set your sarcasm detector higher.....[;)] [:D] Zeph Zeph,if you took my post serious...its your equipment that needs tweaking....LOL LOL Okay you got me but you have to admit it looks serious. Course now that I think of it if he HADdone that there would be nothing left of the racoon.

MasterIronwood -> RE: Defended my home (12/11/2009 5:47:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GYPSYMAMBO ps..I have various knives in my house One of the rules of a gun fight is - "Never bring a knife to a gun fight."

kdsub -> RE: Defended my home (12/12/2009 12:47:30 AM)
Thank you for the reasonable polite response but to me I have never been all over the place but always right on...I have been using Orion's experience to reflect what may have been done not to criticize him. I really don't understand why you don’t see that. The jumping around is only responding to different posts directed to me that were not necessarily in sequence. Butch

kdsub -> RE: Defended my home (12/12/2009 1:07:51 AM)
Perhaps I miss read the jest of the post you made to me below and if so I apologize. There is no position easier to play than Monday morning quarterback. To sit in the comfort and safety of one's own home and dissect what was done when a dangerous and potentially deadly situation was going on is inappropriate to say the least. I do not say that your idea of how to handle it is not valid. But it wasn't you or your loved one's on the line. Orion's was. Let's keep that in mind, shall we?" I took this to mean you were insinuating I had not been in a simpler situation to Orion, when I had, and it was not appropriate for me to comment. I had been in a similar potentially deadly situation...when I said exact I meant I had a bulgur in my house with my wife and kids...Not the layout of rooms...no two burglaries are ever alike in that way. But the burglar in my home could have been armed as well and just as dangerous to my children. I have tried to generally not be confrontational and succeeded except for a few occasions when provoked. We must all know that a boy shot was not the best way for this burglary to end and there should be no anger in discussing alternative ways this could have been handled. Because I have been discussing what could have been done was never meant to disparage Orion in any way. Only to hope that in the future the burglar could be caught or scared away with no one being hurt...maybe in your own homes. Butch

WyldHrt -> RE: Defended my home (12/12/2009 1:50:56 AM)
quote: Thank you for the reasonable polite response but to me I have never been all over the place but always right on...I have been using Orion's experience to reflect what may have been done not to criticize him. I really don't understand why you don’t see that. The jumping around is only responding to different posts directed to me that were not necessarily in sequence. I get where you thought you were going, Butch; but many of your posts simply didn't come across that way in the context of the thread. Written communication is always limited, and sometimes what you really mean to say just doesn't make the translation. No blame on you, I was simply trying to explain the responses to your posts by pointing out how they "sounded" to some reading the thread.

WyldHrt -> RE: Defended my home (12/12/2009 2:26:18 AM)
quote: The results are the same, the causes are not. Incorrect. In every case, the cause of death is parental negligence. quote: A tub is a necessity, a gun is not. A tub is made for bathing, a gun is made for killing. Both can and do kill children, regardless of necessity or intent of manufacture. quote: You need to treat the latter with far more respect and caution because its purpose is to be lethal. Dead wrong, and the kind of thinking that leads to things like children drowning in the bathtub. After all, tubs are a necessity, so why should parents use caution around them? quote: Anyone who can't appreciate the difference has no business owning one. I suspect we will have to agree to disagree here, as I see no difference. In my world, a negligent parent is a negligent parent. Whether it be Mommy chatting away on the phone while her child drowns in the tub, Daddy forgoing the child seat and getting his child killed by a car airbag, or either one causing a child's death by leaving a gun within reach.

blacksword404 -> RE: Defended my home (12/12/2009 4:56:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u That whole "I'm safe fuck my other family members" attitude does not sit well with me. You want to be recognized as a man? Act like one. You come last. I do hope you are not personalizing the above scenario......one,it wasn't of my construct...therefore I never siad it is how I would handle it.....two ,since I don't own nor will in the future a handgun...it won't be me sitting behind a door with a loaded weapon in my hand while the rest of my family is in danger. Were it me constructing the scenario....I will tell you this much .I beleive in stout doors and sturdy locks.....I beleive in a large and loyal dog...with very sharp teeth and a dislike of strangers.....and as a last line of defence...I beleive in old reliable a Louisville slugger(a good size model....not too heavy...it's about bat speed ..not bulk). Now with all that...are some things still left to chance...of course,but no matter how well armed you might be I'm sure I can come up with a scenario that would leave you as defenceless as you see me being? Shit happens...I'm not living my life in fear of it. The "you" was not directed at you in particular. But at anybody who would hide and leave their family to their fate. Poke your chest back in. [:D]

slvemike4u -> RE: Defended my home (12/12/2009 8:28:04 AM)
My chest was never poked out!As I said I hoped you weren't personalizing it...I wasn't sure so I asked for a clarification....perhaps you might take the chip off your shoulder?

DomImus -> RE: Defended my home (12/13/2009 4:37:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: InvisibleBlack If we don't judge the risk to children from improper use of car seats as important enough to do something about - if we're comfortable with that level of risk to a child and it's potentially killing thousands of children every year - why is it that improper safety with firearms, which is a far lower risk and which causes the death of hundreds of children every year so much more vital? Are those 151 children more important than the 2,559 who die from their parent's inability to obtain or operate a child's car seat? Is death by being mangled in a car accident viewed as so preferable to death by shooting that we're okay with twenty times as many children dying that way? Once again someone applies logic and critical thought (concepts that elude the the average gin control advocate) to the gun control argument and it fizzles away like the fart in the wind that it is.

SpinnerofTales -> RE: Defended my home (12/13/2009 4:43:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomImus Once again someone applies logic and critical thought (concepts that elude the the average gin control advocate) to the gun control argument and it fizzles away like the fart in the wind that it is. Please apply your logic and critical thought to why it would be a bad thing for anyone to have to take the time and effort to learn how to use, handle and store a firearm before they are allowed to buy one?

Kirata -> RE: Defended my home (12/13/2009 6:45:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomImus (concepts that elude the the average gin control advocate) I want to go on record as being opposed to gin control. Where will it end? Gin today, bourbon tomorrow! No, I say. No! K.

kittinSol -> RE: Defended my home (12/13/2009 6:46:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: DomImus (concepts that elude the the average gin control advocate) I want to go on record as being opposed to gin control. Where will this end? Gin today, bouron tomorrow! No, I say. No! K. Sometimes, Kirata, you're a real tonic for the spirit.

breatheasone -> RE: Defended my home (12/13/2009 6:47:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: DomImus (concepts that elude the the average gin control advocate) I want to go on record as being opposed to gin control. Where will this end? Gin today, bouron tomorrow! No, I say. No! K. Sometimes, Kirata, you're a real tonic for the spirit. Its definitely nothing to whine about! [:D]

kittinSol -> RE: Defended my home (12/13/2009 6:52:52 PM)
Hmmmmmm... Glad that the pesky subject of home invasions, guns and all that bollocks, has been sorted out, for now anyway. Sláinte.

InvisibleBlack -> RE: Defended my home (12/13/2009 7:20:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: DomImus (concepts that elude the the average gin control advocate) I want to go on record as being opposed to gin control. Where will this end? Gin today, bouron tomorrow! No, I say. No! K. Sometimes, Kirata, you're a real tonic for the spirit. That was a good one. Well done. [:)]

kittinSol -> RE: Defended my home (12/13/2009 9:30:41 PM)
Cheers.

blacksword404 -> RE: Defended my home (12/14/2009 1:54:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u My chest was never poked out!As I said I hoped you weren't personalizing it...I wasn't sure so I asked for a clarification....perhaps you might take the chip off your shoulder? No chips here, no poking there. All is right.

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