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angelikaJ -> RE: Defended my home (12/7/2009 6:51:09 PM)
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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf
I stepped up to the door, weapon raised, and standing in the room was someone dressed in a bulky dark colored coat (later learned it was navy blue), ski mask, and gloves. They were bent over and looking through some of our storage boxes, and had pulled out a small fireproof safe that was at the bottom. I quick glanced the room, which there are no hiding places from the doorway, and I saw no one else. I aimed my pistol center mass and said "Don't move I have a gun pointed at you." and the person stopped, and slowly stood straight up. Now they were turned mostly away from me, and I could not see their hands. I then told them "slowly raise your hands in the air so I can see them".
At this point my girl had come to the entry way to the basement foyer and asked what was going on. Keeping my eyes on the person I told her to call 911 and tell them I had an intruder at gunpoint. The person still did not raise their hands, and I could not see them. I told them again "Slowly raise your hands in the air so I can see them, and make no sudden moves." There was no waivering in my voice, as I have been in similar situations, but the person did not raise their hands still. I finally said "Look motherfucker if you do not raise your hands I am going to assume you have a weapon and shoot you." The person turned quickly and as they did their right hand was coming up from their waist area, so I fired three times.
...Three shots, two in the chest and one in the abdomen. They searched the guy, and found a .25 cal pistol in his right coat pocket, a straight bladed knife, and burglary tools.
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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen
There is no evidence whatever that Orion knew the intruder was going for a gun or indeed any weapon. The English law is very clear on this matter - unilateral attack is not self defence. Self defence is only legitimate when it is proportionate to attack and threat - there was no attack and there was no threat (???) (the intruder being held at gunpoint) and therefore there was no self defence.
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Lady Ellen,
I think you may just be pointing out the stark contrast between your system and ours but I feel a need to confirm that.
The facts as presented by Orion speak for themselves and I am not sure why we are seeing this so differently.
Do you think Orion should have waited for the guy to turn around, gun in hand?
Orion did not want to shoot anyone on Saturday night.
He just wanted to ensure the safety of his family.
Also, you make several mentions of the fact that the perpetrator was shot 3 times.
In this country a law enforcement officer probably would not have behaved any differently.
If they are dealing with someone whose behavior indicates they probably have a weapon, they generally do fire more than once.
If they have a gun you do not want them to be able to use it. It was appropriate force.
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