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The most transparent Administration ever... - 12/6/2009 10:29:14 AM

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...is not quite living up to it's promise is it?

"The government should not keep information confidential merely because public officials might be embarrassed by disclosure, because errors and failures might be revealed, or because of speculative or abstract fears." President Barak Obama

Sunday Dec. 6, 2009
PROMISES, PROMISES: A closed meeting on openness
By SHARON THEIMER (AP) –

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5joOOsTVD57lFwm_InpZY_nRbg4KQD9CDRVOO0

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RE: The most transparent Administration ever... - 12/6/2009 10:37:03 AM

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...is not quite living up to it's promise is it?

"The government should not keep information confidential merely because public officials might be embarrassed by disclosure, because errors and failures might be revealed, or because of speculative or abstract fears." President Barak Obama

Sunday Dec. 6, 2009
PROMISES, PROMISES: A closed meeting on openness
By SHARON THEIMER (AP) –

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5joOOsTVD57lFwm_InpZY_nRbg4KQD9CDRVOO0

Very nice, FDD...You bring up a problem I have had with the Obama administration. And then you back it up with a quote that is nothing short of a bald faced lie. So what do I do? Agree that I would like to see Obama live up to his promises of greater transparency or ask you to try to keep your posts at least somewhat in the realm of truth? I think I'll do both.

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RE: The most transparent Administration ever... - 12/6/2009 2:18:47 PM

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Spinner... that quote came right from Obama's mouth on Day one.

The in context it gives even more pause...

"The Freedom of Information Act should be administered with a clear presumption: In the face of doubt, openness prevails," Obama told government offices on his first full day as president. "The government should not keep information confidential merely because public officials might be embarrassed by disclosure, because errors and failures might be revealed, or because of speculative or abstract fears."

Of course "Bush did it too!" so I guess it makes it OK for The Presidents supporters, though not you.

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RE: The most transparent Administration ever... - 12/6/2009 2:47:47 PM

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Transparent? Then I wonder why Nancy Pelosi had "closed door meetings" about getting *Illegal Aliens*onto *Our* helthcare bill a few months ago?
Is it possable that she didn't,....."get the Transparency memo???"
I mean wouldn't she have seen it on national t.v. like the rest of the country?

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RE: The most transparent Administration ever... - 12/6/2009 2:50:22 PM

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But Popeye...

Bush did it too!

See how easy it works...

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RE: The most transparent Administration ever... - 12/6/2009 4:32:26 PM

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But Popeye...

Bush did it too!

See how easy it works...

My mistake, FDD...I misread the quote and thought that it was something made up. For some reason I was sure the quote said "unless" instead of "because". My bad and I withdraw my comment with apologies.

That being said, I don't recall ever saying "It's ok because Bush did it" and I'm damned sure that I didn't put that in my posting. Perhaps it is a guilty concience for your having supported such a ruinous executive for seven years until the damage he did became so obvious there was no choice but to admit his total lack of ability?

I still think that he was a lousy, lousy president, but I have never said that his grievous transgressions should be counted as precedents. On this matter, I have written to the white house (for what it's worth) several times on this matter.

To assume that the president has control over congressional or senate doings (the closed door meetings) is overreaching his power and very much throwing everything one can at the administration. His balking at turning over matters in which he is involved for public scrutiny is a disappointment. In this, as in several other matters, it seems that the DC system is changing Obama far more than Obama is changing the DC system.

I have not yet given up on this president but I will willingly admit that in many ways he is not living up to, as president, his promise as a candidate. I begin to think that he may be an adequate president, and certainly better than the one he replaced, but it is sad to see him fall so far short of what we hoped he would be.

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RE: The most transparent Administration ever... - 12/6/2009 4:53:23 PM

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quote:

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Transparent? Then I wonder why Nancy Pelosi had "closed door meetings" about getting *Illegal Aliens*onto *Our* helthcare bill a few months ago?
Is it possable that she didn't,....."get the Transparency memo???"
I mean wouldn't she have seen it on national t.v. like the rest of the country?

I realise this is just a technicality Popeye....but Nancy Pelosi is not actualy part of the Obama administration.She's a congresswoman ,not a White House aide.

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RE: The most transparent Administration ever... - 12/6/2009 5:00:47 PM

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Transparent? Then I wonder why Nancy Pelosi had "closed door meetings" about getting *Illegal Aliens*onto *Our* helthcare bill a few months ago?
Is it possable that she didn't,....."get the Transparency memo???"
I mean wouldn't she have seen it on national t.v. like the rest of the country?

I realise this is just a technicality Popeye....but Nancy Pelosi is not actualy part of the Obama administration.She's a congresswoman ,not a White House aide.

It doesn't matter, Mike. To some people, if their football team loses on Sunday it's Obama's fault. It's the "throw everything at the wall and hope something sticks" tactic.

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RE: The most transparent Administration ever... - 12/6/2009 5:31:10 PM

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Of course "Bush did it too!" so I guess it makes it OK for The Presidents supporters, though not you.

Obama is the leader of the Democrat Party and he has a bully pulpit. The failings of both the House and Senate, like it or not fall on his shoulders as long as the Democrats hold power in either.

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RE: The most transparent Administration ever... - 12/6/2009 5:37:00 PM

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From your lips to Gods ears,heh FDD ?

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RE: The most transparent Administration ever... - 12/6/2009 7:40:27 PM

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Of course "Bush did it too!" so I guess it makes it OK for The Presidents supporters, though not you.

Obama is the leader of the Democrat Party and he has a bully pulpit. The failings of both the House and Senate, like it or not fall on his shoulders as long as the Democrats hold power in either.

I think you have to accept that the democrats don't fall into lockstep behind the leader as the republicans do. The lack of dissent from the republicans towards their leader is both a strength and a weakness of the party. Just as the range of ideas and inclusion of the democratic party is a strength in some ways, a weakness when it comes to accomplishing a unified agenda.

I will remind you that even before Obama was inagurated, Harry Reid made it very plain in an interview that "I don't work for the president. I work with him."

Due to the separation of powers in our government there is nothing official the president can do to run congress. Due to the way the party works, there is little he can do to force his will in this matter. I don't see that as a failure. It's just the way things work.

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RE: The most transparent Administration ever... - 12/6/2009 8:32:52 PM

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Spinner...

There are three Democrats and one Independant (though a life long Democrat) holding up the works currently... the rest of the party is in lockstep.

Here's the difference between the two on crossing over.

Historically Democrats who cross over to vote for Republican issues get re-elected

Republicans who do the same get voted out of office.

Don't blame the party, blame the electorate.

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RE: The most transparent Administration ever... - 12/6/2009 9:56:31 PM

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Spinner...

There are three Democrats and one Independant (though a life long Democrat) holding up the works currently... the rest of the party is in lockstep.

Here's the difference between the two on crossing over.

Historically Democrats who cross over to vote for Republican issues get re-elected

Republicans who do the same get voted out of office.

Don't blame the party, blame the electorate.

I don't blame the party nor the electorate. I see the willingness of a representative to vote the issue not the party line as a strength. So do a lot of democrats. That's why those who do so get re-elected. Republicans don't seem to view it the same way.

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RE: The most transparent Administration ever... - 12/7/2009 5:22:51 AM

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I don't think that's true. Please provide a link. I think they may be entitled to emergency care, but not regular healthcare like everyone else. Besides I posted a link on another thread, showing Mexicans can get healthcare for an annual cost of only $250 a year. It's not as good as American healthcare with all the bells and whistles but it is satisfactory.

I found the link. And talk about the pot calling the kettle black!

Mexico's health care lures Americans - USATODAY.com

As the United States debates an overhaul of its health care system, thousands of American retirees in Mexico have quietly found a solution of their own, signing up for the health care plan run by the Mexican Social Security Institute.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2009-08-31-mexico-health-care_N.htm

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Transparent? Then I wonder why Nancy Pelosi had "closed door meetings" about getting *Illegal Aliens*onto *Our* helthcare bill a few months ago?
Is it possable that she didn't,....."get the Transparency memo???"
I mean wouldn't she have seen it on national t.v. like the rest of the country?

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RE: The most transparent Administration ever... - 12/7/2009 5:30:27 AM

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Since neither Bush nor Obama, Republican and Democrat, are both unsatisfactory it is obvious the job requires someone more progressive. Ralph Nader is the obvious choice to get the job done! Remember he said that Democrats and Republicans are both corrupt.

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RE: The most transparent Administration ever... - 12/7/2009 5:40:10 AM

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Spinner...

There are three Democrats and one Independant (though a life long Democrat) holding up the works currently... the rest of the party is in lockstep.

Here's the difference between the two on crossing over.

Historically Democrats who cross over to vote for Republican issues get re-elected

Republicans who do the same get voted out of office.

Don't blame the party, blame the electorate.

Are you saying that, no matter how good something is, as long as it isnt agreeable to the RNC, a republican cannot vote for it for fear of not being re-elected? Good to know our government is being run by a group of people afraid to lose their jobs by doing the right thing?

And wasnt it just recently someone posted about the Republican Purity Pledge, or something close to it, threatening to cut off election support and funds if party members didnt sign off on it?

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RE: The most transparent Administration ever... - 12/7/2009 5:41:12 AM

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Deleted because the freakin thing wants to repeat posts!

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RE: The most transparent Administration ever... - 12/7/2009 5:46:44 AM

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Since neither Bush nor Obama, Republican and Democrat, are both unsatisfactory it is obvious the job requires someone more progressive. Ralph Nader is the obvious choice to get the job done! Remember he said that Democrats and Republicans are both corrupt.

And Ralphie boy is as pure as the driven snow? Maybe after its bull dozed a few times...

http://www.realchange.org/nader.htm

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RE: The most transparent Administration ever... - 12/7/2009 6:08:57 AM

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I think that's a myth. Care to provide evidence?

So do Republicans! Perhaps if more Republicans did as Collins and Snowe from the state of Maine the party would have a more seats. I would love to see Rush Limbaugh cleanse the Republican Party of those two and watch the Democrat win those two seats.

Snowe’s Vote Gives Obama Republican Health Backing (Update2) - Bloomberg.com

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aeCBJiWd8m.0

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Here's the difference between the two on crossing over.

Historically Democrats who cross over to vote for Republican issues get re-elected

Republicans who do the same get voted out of office.

Don't blame the party, blame the electorate.

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Historically Democrats who cross over to vote for Republican issues get re-elected

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RE: The most transparent Administration ever... - 12/7/2009 6:26:46 AM

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I don’t see anything serious there. He hasn't done anything corrupt. And it wouldn't surprise me if that website was set up by somebody, probably a Democrat, in the middle of an election trying to protect/help Gore, I would have done it myself to make sure Bush didn't win

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