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RE: This reminds me of General Motors destroying the el... - 12/9/2009 2:51:20 AM   
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Who Killed the Electric Car? - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A few were disabled and given to museums and universities, but almost all were found to have been crushed; GM never responded to the EV drivers' offer to pay the residual lease value ($1.8 million was offered for the remaining 78 cars in Burbank before they were crushed). Several activists, including actress Alexandra Paul, are shown being arrested in the protest that attempted to block the GM car carriers taking the remaining EV1s off to be crushed.

The film explores some of the reasons that the auto and oil industries worked to kill off the electric car. Wally Rippel is shown explaining that the oil companies were afraid of losing out on trillions of dollars in potential profit from their transportation fuel monopoly over the coming decades, while the auto companies were afraid of losses over the next six months of EV production.


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This reminds me of General Motors destroying the electric car.


LMAO. You really do believe every one sided story you read, dont you?



Actually the kid is accurate on GM- Very much so.   Not only did they kill the EV1, they got rid of electric street cars in many cities.

GM, the big 3, big oil,  they all were in on it.

Ya know- as a kid I was allowed to over hear the adults. I loved to listen in.  Mr R., told me so much that at the time was a stray idea to me.  But FUCK!  Mr R., was better then several weeks of formal schooling!

The EV1 was a great car!!!!    You should have seen how intense the fight was.  Google it. 

Anyhow- the kid is right on this aspect of the post.



He's right that it was "killed" but not his implication that it shouldnt have been killed. It was unprofitable, period, done, case closed.


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RE: This reminds me of General Motors destroying the el... - 12/9/2009 9:03:29 AM   
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Hmmmm, that comes to about $23,000 and change per car. I don't think they were that cheap so there was money out of their pockets.

I have always been against leasing a car. When you buy the car, market forces determine it's resale value and one of those forces are how many people want to sell them. If too many people would rather have the car than the money, resale holds pretty well. This is true of many limited production cars. My 70 Toronado cost about ten grand in 1970, and it would be worth three times that today if I hadn't smashed it. Hey it wasn't my fault it went so fast. But the same is true of other cars as well.

However if these people actually bought the EV1s they would be legally entitled to keep them as long as they want. But perhaps they were never offered for sale, only lease, like IBM PCs in the eighties. Maybe because of being new technology people preferred a lease. Can't say what was going on in their heads.

There is another factor relating to the automaker's position here. The cars were different and to support the product would've required adaptation in the service industry, which is their baby during the warranty period and after, should they decide to stay in business for a while. As IBM eventually did away with some of the distinguishments of their product, such as MCA slots and the funky other things, this also affected their decision no doubt.

However IBM didn't lack the foresight of GM. They had good reason to believe that they were setting a standard with their funky architecture. On the other hand, with the short lived run of EV1s, how could they not forsee this eventual demise ? In other words, why build them in the first place ?

Thus they lost money, and in the end the customers paid. This is where my advocation of near anarchy ends. When you run a company that is "too big to fail" you are in a position of public trust. Of course GM didn't go bankrupt the next day, but it still had an effect on the economy.

But then I'm sure the bonuses for the execs were abound after the actual production of the EV1, and more subsequently when they were crushed.

Also, though I don't have to watch the video for this, the situation illustrates the difference between cooperation and conspiracy. First of all there must be cooperation between automakers and those who produce fuel for their product. Of course conspiracy might be in the eye of the beholder, but we seem to have beholden alot.

Examples of predatory practices are not new. Think of VHS vs Beta. Beta was actually better and more advanced technology, yet did not prevail. And that's only one.

Actually none of this is really on topic until the title of the thread is considered. If the OP meant these practices in general, it is completely on topic. If the subject is the music industry then it is not. But ceratain rules of the game still apply everywhere, as noted by another.

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RE: This reminds me of General Motors destroying the el... - 12/9/2009 9:33:31 AM   
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I dont know anything about the teck gadget as in the OP.

But I do know big oil and the big 3 were in cahootz for many years.  I know the EV1 was a perfectly fine car.  Consider this. At that time- there was not an effective way to collect road tax.  Now we can by the mile.  But on gas- as long as cars got 18 MPG- that is sure money to the road fund.

The EV1 was good for 50ish miles a day. Ok- that would still suit many who dont drive cross country to get to work.

The battery teck was bought up by some corporation and shelved....  but guess what?  They found a way for a longer battery- it contains silver and china is trying to corner the other then silver metal in the battery- that is rare but native to China.

So road tax was a factor.



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