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RE: The 90 Accomplishments of President Obama - 12/11/2009 3:38:52 PM   
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Yeah, there you go. If it wasn't for that damn guy posting on the Internet then Barack Obama would be popular... he would make better decisions, and faster decisions. And he probably wouldn't have to rely on his ever-present teleprompter when giving all those long, boring, empty, narcissistic speeches.

And he might even deserve that Nobel prize...




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sanity, it doesnt negate it because the poll is up to 50 % now(the 11th)  I never negated the 47 I merely pointed out it was 50 % on the same day.
You ignored my link on the other thread, and now because its a day or so later, you say you werent wrong, but you were.

You whine about obama promising change, but not seeing anything, yet you are whining obfuscating and bitching about the bailout, healthcare, Afganistan, ad nauseum,if he werent making changes, you would be a happy little camper, just because its not change YOU want, does not mean a damn thing.




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RE: The 90 Accomplishments of President Obama - 12/11/2009 3:41:06 PM   
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Well lets see how things even out shall we...


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RE: The 90 Accomplishments of President Obama - 12/11/2009 3:41:59 PM   
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That was a popular war, and even Obama "the war president" boasts about it while accepting his peace prize. Why shouldn't Bush get credit for the spike in his poll numbers while he was launching it?

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LOL.... get your numbers right fellas. Be thankful a war prevented Bush from falling lower than 25%.

One day you might actually be right... about something.

No one wants to take on the Reagan numbers... rofl... dont blame you.


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RE: The 90 Accomplishments of President Obama - 12/11/2009 3:42:33 PM   
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LOL.... get your numbers right fellas. Be thankful a war prevented Bush from falling lower than 25%.

One day you might actually be right... about something.

No one wants to take on the Reagan numbers... rofl... dont blame you.


My numbers are right, girly.

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RE: The 90 Accomplishments of President Obama - 12/11/2009 3:43:50 PM   
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That was a popular war, and even Obama "the war president" boasts about it while accepting his peace prize. Why shouldn't Bush get credit for the spike in his poll numbers while he was launching it?
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Uh...because he completely screwed up the waging of that war, lied to get us into another, screwed that one up too and generally made us look like assholes the world over?

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RE: The 90 Accomplishments of President Obama - 12/11/2009 3:46:02 PM   
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That was a popular war, and even Obama "the war president" boasts about it while accepting his peace prize. Why shouldn't Bush get credit for the spike in his poll numbers while he was launching it?
ORIGINAL: Sanity




Uh...because he completely screwed up the waging of that war, lied to get us into another, screwed that one up too and generally made us look like assholes the world over?



Too bad none of that is fact, just your rather dubious opinion.

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RE: The 90 Accomplishments of President Obama - 12/11/2009 3:53:38 PM   
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Right now Iran is playing with plutonium reactors and bragging about the coming mass murder of Israelis. Russia just tested a new ICBM over Denmark, and they're openly talking about giving central American despots nuclear capability as well as missiles and other such toys. Obama is bowing to anyone and everyone, practically licking their shoes, and trying to give away the store in Copenhagen even though the "science" behind Global Warming has finally been debunked. How's that blizzard coming along, anyway...

And the economy continues to crash.

But at least the propagandists are claiming that we're instantaneously loved the world over now that we've elected a Junior Senator from Illinois as our naive young President.






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RE: The 90 Accomplishments of President Obama - 12/11/2009 3:55:38 PM   
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Right now Iran is playing with plutonium reactors and bragging about the coming mass murder of Israelis. Russia just tested a new ICBM over Denmark, and they're openly talking about giving central American despots nuclear capability as well as missiles and other such toys. Obama is bowing to anyone and everyone, practically licking their shoes, and trying to give away the store in Copenhagen even though the "science" behind Global Warming has finally been debunked. How's that blizzard coming along, anyway...

And the economy continues to crash.

But at least the propagandists are claiming that we're instantaneously loved the world over now that we've elected a Junior Senator from Illinois as our naive young President.







I dont doubt that he's loved by the more socialist governments the world over, because he is of their mold, and I dont doubt that he's loved by our enemies, like a cat loves a cornered mouse.

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RE: The 90 Accomplishments of President Obama - 12/11/2009 4:04:08 PM   
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Here's a challenge that I have no belief will be taken. There are ninety things that are on that list. I would like to see the concerted Obama haters take at least one they they can say "Yes. I like this" and tell us why. God knows the supporters of Obama haven't been shy about talking about the stuff they don't agree with. Let's see if any of our staunch conservatives can rise above the "Obama is bhaaaaaad" level. Then maybe we can take them seriously.


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RE: The 90 Accomplishments of President Obama - 12/11/2009 4:11:34 PM   
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Here's a challenge that I have no belief will be taken. There are ninety things that are on that list. I would like to see the concerted Obama haters take at least one they they can say "Yes. I like this" and tell us why. God knows the supporters of Obama haven't been shy about talking about the stuff they don't agree with. Let's see if any of our staunch conservatives can rise above the "Obama is bhaaaaaad" level. Then maybe we can take them seriously.




Lets see if you can name one in the 90 that is:

1. an accomplisment that virtually everyone would agree is a good thing
2. that OBAMA actually accomplished
3. is more than trivial

I saw none.

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RE: The 90 Accomplishments of President Obama - 12/11/2009 4:16:59 PM   
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Here's a challenge that I have no belief will be taken. There are ninety things that are on that list. I would like to see the concerted Obama haters take at least one they they can say "Yes. I like this" and tell us why.


Hell - I found two!

I like these...
84. Returned money authorized for refurbishment of White House offices and private living quarters
85. Paid for redecoration of White House living quarters out of his own pocket

...Because they are the only 'accomplishments on the list that don't add to the deficit, curtail business, or point to raising taxes.

Since the majority of the others including language like:
  • Undertake a study
  • Ordered a review
  • Beginning
  • Phasing out
  • Reengaged
  • Initiating
  • Announced his intention


It points to the desperate stretch needed to generate anything positive.

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RE: The 90 Accomplishments of President Obama - 12/11/2009 4:19:09 PM   
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Id like 85 better if they got the Clintons to give back what they looted. ;)

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RE: The 90 Accomplishments of President Obama - 12/11/2009 4:24:13 PM   
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Here's a challenge that I have no belief will be taken. There are ninety things that are on that list. I would like to see the concerted Obama haters take at least one they they can say "Yes. I like this" and tell us why.


Hell - I found two!

I like these...
84. Returned money authorized for refurbishment of White House offices and private living quarters
85. Paid for redecoration of White House living quarters out of his own pocket

...Because they are the only 'accomplishments on the list that don't add to the deficit, curtail business, or point to raising taxes.

Since the majority of the others including language like:
  • Undertake a study
  • Ordered a review
  • Beginning
  • Phasing out
  • Reengaged
  • Initiating
  • Announced his intention


It points to the desperate stretch needed to generate anything positive.


You see, Merc.....that is why, though I disagree with you far more than I agree, I read your words as coming from someone who's thoughts are to be taken seriously and considered. As for the opposite, well, we've seen that demonstrated by others as usual, I suppose.

However, I can see a whole bunch more things that I would think we could get some agreement upon that don't point to harming business, raising taxes or adding to the deficit. How about:

2. Ordered a review of all federal operations to identify and cut wasteful spending and practices

3. Instituted enforcement for equal pay for women

5. Families of fallen soldiers have expenses covered to be on hand when the body arrives at Dover AFB

6. Ended media blackout on war casualties; reporting full information

7. Ended media blackout on covering the return of fallen soldiers to Dover AFB; the media is now permitted to do so pending adherence to respectful rules and approval of fallen soldier's family

12. Ended the previous stop-loss policy that kept soldiers in Iraq/Afghanistan longer than their enlistment date

13. Phasing out the expensive F-22 war plane and other outdated weapons systems, which weren't even used or needed in Iraq/Afghanistan

14. Removed restrictions on embryonic stem-cell research

29. Better body armor is now being provided to our troops

30. The missile defense program is being cut by $1.4 billion in 2010

35. Successful release of US captain held by Somali pirates; authorized the SEALS to do their job

36. US Navy increasing patrols off Somali coast

40. Expanded the SCHIP program to cover health care for 4 million more children

47. Negotiated deal with Swiss banks to permit US government to gain access to records of tax evaders and criminals

48. Ended the previous policy of offering tax benefits to corporations who outsource American jobs; the new policy is to promote in-sourcing to bring jobs back

51. Lower drug costs for seniors

52. Ended the previous practice of forbidding Medicare from negotiating with drug manufacturers for cheaper drugs; the federal government is now realizing hundreds of millions in savings

53. Increasing pay and benefits for military personnel

54. Improved housing for military personnel

59. Sent envoys to Middle East and other parts of the world that had been neglected for years; reengaging in multilateral and bilateral talks and diplomacy

62. Ended previous policy of awarding no-bid defense contracts

69. The FDA is now regulating tobacco

77. Authorized construction/opening of additional health centers to care for veterans

85. Paid for redecoration of White House living quarters out of his own pocket

86. Held first Seder in White House

Now it may not be the whole list, and certainly wasn't as much as some had hoped. But it sure is a bunch of stuff I think most of us can agree are pretty good things for a president to do.




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RE: The 90 Accomplishments of President Obama - 12/11/2009 5:08:49 PM   
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quote:

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Here's a challenge that I have no belief will be taken. There are ninety things that are on that list. I would like to see the concerted Obama haters take at least one they they can say "Yes. I like this" and tell us why.


Hell - I found two!

I like these...
84. Returned money authorized for refurbishment of White House offices and private living quarters
85. Paid for redecoration of White House living quarters out of his own pocket

...Because they are the only 'accomplishments on the list that don't add to the deficit, curtail business, or point to raising taxes.

Since the majority of the others including language like:
  • Undertake a study
  • Ordered a review
  • Beginning
  • Phasing out
  • Reengaged
  • Initiating
  • Announced his intention


It points to the desperate stretch needed to generate anything positive.


You see, Merc.....that is why, though I disagree with you far more than I agree, I read your words as coming from someone who's thoughts are to be taken seriously and considered. As for the opposite, well, we've seen that demonstrated by others as usual, I suppose.

However, I can see a whole bunch more things that I would think we could get some agreement upon that don't point to harming business, raising taxes or adding to the deficit. How about:

2. Ordered a review of all federal operations to identify and cut wasteful spending and practices

a review is not an accomplishment unless and until something actually happens based on that review

3. Instituted enforcement for equal pay for women

there is no such thing as a pay gap, so enforcement is meaningless

5. Families of fallen soldiers have expenses covered to be on hand when the body arrives at Dover AFB

trivial

6. Ended media blackout on war casualties; reporting full information

Ive seen no change

7. Ended media blackout on covering the return of fallen soldiers to Dover AFB; the media is now permitted to do so pending adherence to respectful rules and approval of fallen soldier's family

Ive seen no change

12. Ended the previous stop-loss policy that kept soldiers in Iraq/Afghanistan longer than their enlistment date

the policy isnt ended, it is only suspended and can be reinstated when needed

13. Phasing out the expensive F-22 war plane and other outdated weapons systems, which weren't even used or needed in Iraq/Afghanistan

DoD was in the process of doing that before Obama

14. Removed restrictions on embryonic stem-cell research

there were no restrictions on embryonic stem-cell research, only government funding, and afaik there has been nothing accomplished from embryonic cells that cant be replicated using adult cells

29. Better body armor is now being provided to our troops

which was being developed long before Obama

30. The missile defense program is being cut by $1.4 billion in 2010

a bad thing

35. Successful release of US captain held by Somali pirates; authorized the SEALS to do their job

ok..this is a good thing...of course he took to long to do what any other President would have done immediately

36. US Navy increasing patrols off Somali coast

not familiar with it..a tentative point

40. Expanded the SCHIP program to cover health care for 4 million more children

another step toward single payer, and not a good thing

47. Negotiated deal with Swiss banks to permit US government to gain access to records of tax evaders and criminals

it still isnt automatic and could always be negotiated

48. Ended the previous policy of offering tax benefits to corporations who outsource American jobs; the new policy is to promote in-sourcing to bring jobs back

which will accomplish exactly nothing if the villainizing and socialization of corporations continues

51. Lower drug costs for seniors

That was Bush's accomplisment

52. Ended the previous practice of forbidding Medicare from negotiating with drug manufacturers for cheaper drugs; the federal government is now realizing hundreds of millions in savings

transferring those costs to the private sector, a zero sum game to the extent there are any reduction. Insurance companies were permitted to negotiate, substuting the Federal government = price controls. not a good thing.

53. Increasing pay and benefits for military personnel

lower than the increases under GWB and basically automatic


54. Improved housing for military personnel

hasnt happened yet

59. Sent envoys to Middle East and other parts of the world that had been neglected for years; reengaging in multilateral and bilateral talks and diplomacy

accomplishing nothing, in fact a step backward

62. Ended previous policy of awarding no-bid defense contracts

nonsense. Ill probably have to explain that to you after you indignantly post a link to the bill.

69. The FDA is now regulating tobacco

accomplishing nothing

77. Authorized construction/opening of additional health centers to care for veterans

hasnt happened yet

85. Paid for redecoration of White House living quarters out of his own pocket

trivial

86. Held first Seder in White House

it wasnt the first, and bfd.

Now it may not be the whole list, and certainly wasn't as much as some had hoped. But it sure is a bunch of stuff I think most of us can agree are pretty good things for a president to do.






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RE: The 90 Accomplishments of President Obama - 12/11/2009 5:13:46 PM   
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Latest Census statistics show that the gap between men's and women's earnings widened slightly between 2007 and 2008, from 77.8 (generally rounded to 78 percent) to 77 percent. Based on the median earnings of full-time, year-round workers, women's earnings were $35,745 and men's earnings were $46,367. Median earnings for most women of color are even lower. In 2008, the earnings for African American women were $31,489, 67.9 percent of men's earnings (a drop from 68.7 percent in 2007), and Latinas' earnings were $26,846, 58 percent of men's earnings (a drop from 59 percent in 2007). Asian American women's earnings in 2008 were $42,215 -- 91 percent of men's earnings, an increase from 89.5 percent in 2007. The National Committee on Pay Equity's The Wage Gap Over Time table shows how little the wage gap has changed in this century. (See also the fact sheet from the Institute for Women's Policy Research: The Gender Wage Gap 2008.)

http://www.pay-equity.org/

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RE: The 90 Accomplishments of President Obama - 12/11/2009 5:19:10 PM   
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Latest Census statistics show that the gap between men's and women's earnings widened slightly between 2007 and 2008, from 77.8 (generally rounded to 78 percent) to 77 percent. Based on the median earnings of full-time, year-round workers, women's earnings were $35,745 and men's earnings were $46,367. Median earnings for most women of color are even lower. In 2008, the earnings for African American women were $31,489, 67.9 percent of men's earnings (a drop from 68.7 percent in 2007), and Latinas' earnings were $26,846, 58 percent of men's earnings (a drop from 59 percent in 2007). Asian American women's earnings in 2008 were $42,215 -- 91 percent of men's earnings, an increase from 89.5 percent in 2007. The National Committee on Pay Equity's The Wage Gap Over Time table shows how little the wage gap has changed in this century. (See also the fact sheet from the Institute for Women's Policy Research: The Gender Wage Gap 2008.)

http://www.pay-equity.org/



It is an experience gap, not a gender gap (within any given job class). Broad average wage differences exist for many reasons other than "discrimination" such as the professions that women choose to enter.

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RE: The 90 Accomplishments of President Obama - 12/11/2009 5:32:20 PM   
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"5. Families of fallen soldiers have expenses covered to be on hand when the body arrives at Dover AFB

trivial "

 
This just about says it all doesn't it?





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RE: The 90 Accomplishments of President Obama - 12/11/2009 5:35:15 PM   
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However, I can see a whole bunch more things that I would think we could get some agreement upon that don't point to harming business, raising taxes or adding to the deficit. How about:

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Seriously Spinner, I did consider each of those and even the best of them; "2. Ordered a review of all federal operations to identify and cut wasteful spending and practices" points more to failure than success unless you can point me to a verifiable source of results and cost savings implemented. Instead I can point to to this:

The average pay of a Federal worker is $30,000 over private sector. The number of federal workers earning six-figure salaries has exploded during the recession, according to a USA TODAY analysis of federal salary data. Federal employees making salaries of $100,000 or more jumped from 14% to 19% of civil servants during the recession's first 18 months and that's before overtime pay and bonuses are counted.

Should congrats go to the President for holding the raise to 2%, the lowest percentage increase since 1975? We're paying out tax money in bonuses to Federal workers in these times, under Obama's watch? That is the only result of the review that I could substantiate so NO - I wouldn't consider the RESULTS of the review positive.

But really come on now - arguing the merits of a blog posters personal record of Obama's 'accomplishments' carries weight with you? Do you even know, and could validate, when some of what are being considered Obama's accomplishments were initiated? Housing got built for the military since January? I missed that press release. The Somali pirates were killed and the reaction was to beef up patrols - logical, pragmatic consequence is now considered an accomplishment?

Very desperate for a President and his supports to need to reach. Almost as bad as the necessity to compare him to Bush every day.

"Not the whole list"? Well hell - forget the list, where is one positive impact from any initiative; comparing the average American today versus the average American one year ago. War - still going. Gitmo - still open. Unemployment - over 10%. Lenders - stopped lending.

Speaking of lenders, today Congress passed a Bill making is easier for the government to take them over and break them up. Monday many of the Banking executives will be meeting at the White House where Obama will ask them to loosen up lending, which he hopes will stimulate jobs. What is your expectation about how they will respond?

He's the Chief Administrator of the corporation known as the USA - what the hell is up with his organization's timing? I know the response, Reid and Pelosi said they were ready to work WITH Obama not for him - although it's starting to look like he's working FOR them, and their special interests, NOT American's interests.

With that - I'm off for a naked, eggnog infused, Holiday decoration party weekend at my house. Hope you and yours have as great a weekend as I'm expecting!

Be well!

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RE: The 90 Accomplishments of President Obama - 12/11/2009 5:41:08 PM   
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uggh I od'd on eggnog when I was 14. thanks for the stomach churning post!

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RE: The 90 Accomplishments of President Obama - 12/11/2009 6:23:44 PM   
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Gee....nothing at all to like about Obama. Every problem is of his doing (not He Who Shall Not Be Named) and every good thing is the same Unnamed savior of the country.

Oh well, eventually a republican will get back in the presidency and you can happily chortle while the country goes back to hell. Such is politics.


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