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MsMillgrove -> RE: My mother just doesnt understand... (12/14/2009 12:25:45 PM)


[/quote]Tell me about it. When I told my mother I was gay - no problem. When I told her was dating a black woman ten years older than me - fine. When I told her I didn't want to go to a four year college (and believe me, this is a BIG deal in my family of PhDs) - didn't even blink.

Then I became a vegetarian; holy shit, you'd think the world was coming to an end.
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Wow, am I your mother? No kidding, I'd sail through the gay, the black gf, the no college with limited upset--college being the one I'd protest on a bit. But my god--Vegetarian? Yep, you'd be scraping me off the ceiling. No idea why this choice bugs me to at such an extreme level, but it does. excuse the momentary derail, but this one hit the spot.
I'm glad she pulled herself together later for you.

Here's hoping the OP's mom will also cool off in time too. I think she will.




slavekal -> RE: My mother just doesnt understand... (12/14/2009 7:57:33 PM)

Your mother will come around, unless she is completely messed up. This sort of thing has been happening to the gays for a long time. Sometimes parents have to get used to the idea. She needs to understand that you are the same son she knew yesterday. Your sex life is none of her business.




chiaThePet -> RE: My mother just doesnt understand... (12/14/2009 9:00:34 PM)


It's not just Mommies who don't understand the fragility of the human condition at times.

My Dominant went all conniption on me when I stated that all I wanted for Christmas
was a My Favorite Pony. Sheeesh.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNwi6NZeeX0&feature=related

chia* (the pet)




scarlethiney -> RE: My mother just doesnt understand... (12/16/2009 10:39:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SoulPiercer

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ORIGINAL: breatheasone

What the heck did you tell her?....i mean its not like we do human sacrifices or anything. What got her so upset?


"Mom and dad, I met a terrific guy. He's established in his career, has his own car, unlike my previous two boyfriends, he doesn't smack me arround like my ex-husband. By the way he's black."

Stand back and watch the parents flip out. Am I saying everyone's parents will flip? No, but rest assured some will. And that applies to anything our parents might not agree with or do not understand, be it our partner's race, our choice of religion, our sexual preference and our involvement in so-called "deviant behavior". It doesn't matter that we don't sacrifice babies.

I'm 45, been exploring the "lifestyle" for close to 15 years now. My parents still don't know. But I have never felt the need to discuss my private life in detail with my parents, siblings, friends or co-workers. I don't need anyone's approval.

As previously posted, give your mom time to cool off. Don't pass any books along. She'll react in the same way she would if you told her you'd devoted your life to Hare Krishna and wanted to leave her some literature.

Give her a call before the family gets together.

Don't say: "So, am I still banned from Christmas dinner?" Just tell her you're looking forward to seeing everyone and you hope she likes her Christmas present (don't get her a gift card!).

As for your previous conversation, leave it alone. When/if she wants to talk about it, she'll bring it up.


 Great advice  SoulPiercer,

Fortunately for me my mom is a very open person when it comes to race.  However, she would not be so open about this lifestyle and like you, I see no reason to bring it up, or upset her.
The same applies to my son and friends not in the lifestyle.  There is no reason for him  or anyone else who is not involved personally with us in this lifestyle to know of our preference for it.




NihilusZero -> RE: My mother just doesnt understand... (12/16/2009 10:59:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

Not quite sure why you had to tell her in the first place. What were you trying to accomplish? Do you tell everyone about your sex life? But what is done is done....

At this point all you can do is tell her you love her and continue on with your life. When she's ready to talk to you again, she will. In all likelihood she'll talk to you again eventually.

At that point when she does DO NOT talk about your sexlife. Just apologize, tell her you're sorry for ever bringing it up and you won't do it again.


I'm sure the idea of placating someone for the sake of "family" is nice, but having to apologize for being you to a the nonsensical biases of a family member sort of negates their being worthy of being "family".




julietsierra -> RE: My mother just doesnt understand... (12/17/2009 3:12:09 AM)

Here's a "mom-clue." (of course these are generalizations. I'm sure that for everything I say there will be an exception somewhere)

Moms have ideas about what it means to be a man. If she feels that being submissive means you're somehow less than that, she's going to be a bit upset, thinking that somehow, all you need is a good kick in the pants to get your life straight.

Moms want their children safe. If she feels that you're going to be the next guy in a can somewhere, she's going to do whatever, however, to whatever extreme she has to do it, to convince you to not go down this road.

Moms have a vested interest in how you turn out. This means that if somehow, you're (in her eyes) not "turning out the way she's hoped" then she's going to mix it up a LOT to try to change the circumstances.

Moms can be VERY accepting about life situations OF OTHER PEOPLE. You say your mom's friends are gay so you don't understand why she's so upset with you. Well, that's just fine. But here's the caveat. They're not her son. You're running into the strange situation of "people's choices are fine so long as they don't mean my children." Many moms do this. Many dads do this.  It's a parent thing.

Moms have history that exists from before they became moms. This means that there may be a whole lot going on that you're unaware of, and her discovery has triggered it.

Moms can be extremely logical.... when they want. And at other times, you'll wonder if the aliens have come to take her away to replace her with an exact shrieking duplicate. It's a mom-privilege that everyone rails against and yet, it doesn't change a thing.  So, logically, it may seem the right thing to do to buy her a book, inform, educate, etc...

But to many moms... that's horribly insulting (it doesn't have to make sense to be true).

Love her, do things to show her that you're still the person you were before she made her discoveries, and as Sailing Bum pointed out - on this subject, keep your mouth shut.

Oh, and please, please please... be aware... this life exacts a cost. Sometimes, that cost seems more than we can bare. Whether you can or not is up to you. You may not like his delivery style, but Sailing Bum's underlying message is well worth thinking about. "Keep your mouth shut" can include taking a strong look at what you're putting out there for people to find and then making adjustments so that this doesn't happen elsewhere.

And from me... develop a thicker skin please. I know you're in the middle of a HUGE traumatic event (moms saying "get lost" can be extremely painful) but Sailing Bum isn't saying things without merit. He's just saying the things that right now, are difficult to hear - probably because they remind you of how your mom might have been talking to you during your confrontation - I don't know. But other people have offered the same advice he did (Take stock, be mindful of the information you put out there, be prepared to face the worst if it's found out.)

Oh, and by the way, I'm glad it was your mom who found whatever she found and not your employer. Jobs are hard to find these days. (in other words, you might want to take that picture down and put something significantly less identifiable up there.)

Or, as Sailing Bum said... "keep your mouth shut" (and your information a bit more circumspect if you have problems about being 'outed.')

And let's not fool ourselves here... there are MANY submissives who, when new, feel this near-to-overwhelming urge to "tell" others about this life they've chosen. "Telling" can involve a whole bunch of things that never have to even begin with opening your mouth. Take some time and SERIOUSLY consider what you may have "unintentionally-on-purpose" put out there to arouse her suspicions to the point that she went looking for information.

And however this turns out, count it as an important lesson on privacy and your need to be a bit more discriminating in what you have available about yourself that others can find. If your mom found it, then your employer, neighbors, and everyone else can as well - if it was via the computer. If it wasn't, then I'd say you need to consider what information you let slip along the way, cause she found out somehow, and the how may be very important in your future.

Oh yea... and one last thing...

I'm betting your mom loves you very much. She's pissed off and she's going to make darn sure you know it, and well, one way or the other, she's going to make it very clear that you're to "toe the line." Hell, I'm 50 and my parents still try to get me to do things their way. I just smile and say "sure dad, let me think how that will work" or "OMG.. did you see the fish that guy caught?! (what can I say, if he was a football fan, I'd probably say "Hey! What about those SAINTS! They're really something this year aren't they?!")

Or you can do what I did when I informed my parents of something they had reservations about (it was my dad, not my mom, but my reaction would have been the same.)

"I love you very much. However, I didn't ask your permission, your blessing or your opinion. All I did was inform you (or in your case, answer your questions). This is the way I'm living my life and well, it's up to you how you manage the information. If you want my help, I'm always available. If you want to convince me not to do this, well, please don't. Cause I love you very much and I don't want to have to explain my choices or apologize for your reaction. I'm your daughter. Let's just leave it at that, ok?"

juliet







LookieNoNookie -> RE: My mother just doesnt understand... (12/17/2009 5:04:22 PM)


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ORIGINAL: julietsierra

......Or you can do what I did when I informed my parents of something they had reservations about (it was my dad, not my mom, but my reaction would have been the same.)

"I love you very much. However, I didn't ask your permission, your blessing or your opinion. All I did was inform you (or in your case, answer your questions). This is the way I'm living my life and well, it's up to you how you manage the information. If you want my help, I'm always available. If you want to convince me not to do this, well, please don't. Cause I love you very much and I don't want to have to explain my choices or apologize for your reaction. I'm your daughter. Let's just leave it at that, ok?"

juliet


Flawlessly put :)




littlewonder -> RE: My mother just doesnt understand... (12/17/2009 5:10:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: NihilusZero

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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

Not quite sure why you had to tell her in the first place. What were you trying to accomplish? Do you tell everyone about your sex life? But what is done is done....

At this point all you can do is tell her you love her and continue on with your life. When she's ready to talk to you again, she will. In all likelihood she'll talk to you again eventually.

At that point when she does DO NOT talk about your sexlife. Just apologize, tell her you're sorry for ever bringing it up and you won't do it again.


I'm sure the idea of placating someone for the sake of "family" is nice, but having to apologize for being you to a the nonsensical biases of a family member sort of negates their being worthy of being "family".



Family is family whether you find them worthy of the title or not. You're stuck with them. Make the most of it, get through it and make peace. Imo apologizing and letting sleeping dogs lie is the easier out.

Then again I personally am not the type who stirs the pot. I like my life peaceful and calm and I've had enough chaos in my family to know that no matter how much you wish they weren't your family....they are. Deal with it and learn to love them..bad and good.




sirsholly -> RE: My mother just doesnt understand... (12/18/2009 2:42:01 AM)

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Family is family whether you find them worthy of the title or not. You're stuck with them. Make the most of it,
There may a time when you make the difficult decision that shared DNA does not mean you have to put up with the BS. I have not seen some family members for years, and have no intention of doing so...thank goodness




SailingBum -> RE: My mother just doesnt understand... (12/18/2009 9:03:49 AM)

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ORIGINAL: sirsholly

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Family is family whether you find them worthy of the title or not. You're stuck with them. Make the most of it,
There may a time when you make the difficult decision that shared DNA does not mean you have to put up with the BS. I have not seen some family members for years, and have no intention of doing so...thank goodness


yep Yep and Uh YEP   Oh a couple of pages back I basically said the same thing.  And well all the moronic father rapers et al, blasted me for uh being cruel and other nonsense. 

I suspect that they can't understand my disclaimer on every post.  The jist of which is I could really flying flip what "others" think of my advice.  If they post looking for "answers" and can't man up and take it critique.  The thin skinned dweebs prolly shouldn't post in the first place.

Merry xmas to all

BadOne





fadedshadow -> RE: My mother just doesnt understand... (12/18/2009 9:09:28 AM)

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ORIGINAL: JJohnsJR24

Hi all.  So today I had a pretty serious confrontation with my mom, who found out about my interest and involvement in this lifestyle.  And to say that she took it hard is well beyond an understatement.  She went off about saying how much of a weirdo I am in the community, and how much of an embarrassment I am to her and the family.  She also went on to say that I am now dead to her, and that I should never show my self around again, even for hollidays ect.  I dont know what to do or think about this.

My question is has anyone else ever had this kind of reaction from a family member and how did you handle it.  Because I honestly dont know what to do.  She is being so ignorant about this, and I dont understand why.  I really hope not many else on here had to go through what I just did because it was harsh.  Thanks for any input.


the same thing happened to me and i simply stopped caring about what they think. to me if someone can't accept you for who you are then they aren't worth your time




NihilusZero -> RE: My mother just doesnt understand... (12/18/2009 9:17:52 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SailingBum

FR means fast reply  which means I did NOT read the thread.


[pedant]
Actually, 'Fast Reply" is supposed  to indicate the use of the text box at the bottom of a thread page, rather than hitting the "Reply" link of an individual's post. Every post gets stamped with an (in reply to X) at the bottom right, normally referencing the person who you 'replied' to. The reason some people make mention of using FR is to indicate that, although the FR feature will automatically make the new post a "reply to" the last person who posted before the new message was written, that that person isn't specifically who they were responding to.
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NihilusZero -> RE: My mother just doesnt understand... (12/18/2009 9:20:33 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SailingBum

I suspect that they can't understand my disclaimer on every post.

That's all it takes?! Sweet!

~Rob

(Disclaimer: I waive any responsibility for your reactions when I verbally belittle you with superficial one-liners and empty platitudes I pass off as machismo.)




theRose4U -> RE: My mother just doesnt understand... (12/18/2009 11:47:04 AM)

I have a little different point of view on this one:
My mother was horribly abused in very non-consentual ways when I was growing up. I made the mistake once of referring to "my boy" and "the pet" in the same conversation. She casually mentions these odd phrases to my younger brother that is far more "open minded" than I. He explains it to my mother as "mom, maybe giving her a whip and some chains for christmas would be appropriate this year". She loses her mind and calls me screaming about "don't I remember what she went through and how DARE I allow some man to do that to me". I calm her down and explain, "mom no man is hurting me, I spank THEM because I like it". There was this silence on her end of the line for a few minutes then she says" so you're telling me you use the whips and chains ON your boyfriend? You promise me they aren't hurting you?" After assuring her that no man would be allowed to harm me she laughs and says "so my daughter is a dominatrix?" "Yeah mom, not quite but close enough for this conversation".
It's entirely possible that your mother had a negative experience that she assumes is what you are now doing to others. An abused woman isn't going to be rational especially when confronted with information that her "nice little boy is doing things like THAT". She's acting like you're a monster mostly out of ignorance and it's likely fueled by her own experience. This isn't going to be an easy fight to win. Suggestions of staying part of the family, going and spending time with her (even in silence) on a regualr basis and the biggie bringing a willing, loving and devoted sub (aka mom meet my girlfriend) that assures her that you  really are the "nice little boy she raised" will go a long way towards making this better.




JJohnsJR24 -> RE: My mother just doesnt understand... (12/23/2009 4:38:38 PM)

Just and update for everyone who is actually nice and seemed to care about the situation I am.  Its pretty apparant my mom will NEVER even try to understand this.  She said she wants me to check into a mental institution or go see a pshciatrist.  I guess it makes sense considering my whole family is major conservatives and seemed to be really close minded when it comes to anything that might be considered different.  I think I am getting close to becoming a 24/7 slave for this Domme I have been talking to for quite some time now, which is great.  I am hoping that it works out well.  Everyone will be happy, I'll be able to live my life how I want to live it and not be judged by close minded people who dont even want to try and understand it, and I will leave the area which my mom seems to want if I dont choose to try and change, which I am not going to do.  I have always been a submissive and always will be, and damn proud of it to,I dont care what she thinks. Thank you to everyone who left great and warm responses and advice for me, I appreciate it!




DarkSteven -> RE: My mother just doesnt understand... (12/23/2009 7:35:36 PM)

I am so sorry to hear that your family is shutting you out.

But keep in mind... your mother found out SOMEHOW.  She may not be as closed minded as she takes pains to appear.

Live your life, and God bless.




theRose4U -> RE: My mother just doesnt understand... (12/23/2009 8:05:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: JJohnsJR24

Just and update for everyone who is actually nice and seemed to care about the situation I am.  Its pretty apparant my mom will NEVER even try to understand this.  She said she wants me to check into a mental institution or go see a pshciatrist.  I guess it makes sense considering my whole family is major conservatives and seemed to be really close minded when it comes to anything that might be considered different.  I think I am getting close to becoming a 24/7 slave for this Domme I have been talking to for quite some time now, which is great.  I am hoping that it works out well.  Everyone will be happy, I'll be able to live my life how I want to live it and not be judged by close minded people who dont even want to try and understand it, and I will leave the area which my mom seems to want if I dont choose to try and change, which I am not going to do.  I have always been a submissive and always will be, and damn proud of it to,I dont care what she thinks. Thank you to everyone who left great and warm responses and advice for me, I appreciate it!

If she's recommending therapy...great! Follow the list of kink aware therapists and go talk to them...they should be able to explain to your mother that kink is no longer listed in the DSMIII as a mental illness. Then she can put that in her pipe and smoke it!




persephonee -> RE: My mother just doesnt understand... (12/23/2009 8:07:15 PM)

Thats right!




littlewonder -> RE: My mother just doesnt understand... (12/23/2009 8:08:40 PM)

It could be your mother is correct also. We don't know you from Adam. How long have you known this Domme in person? Ever met her? Have you ever served 24/7?

I would say speak to a therapist, take your mother with you and see where it goes. It could be a good thing for the both of you.




GotSteel -> RE: My mother just doesnt understand... (12/24/2009 6:29:39 AM)

Sorry to hear this has happened to you. I hope your mother will eventually come around.




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