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RE: Self respect and being a sub - 12/18/2009 6:03:37 AM   
wisdomtogive


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Hello OP
I have only been exploring my submissive nature for 3 years and I do understand where you are coming from. I started at 55 and came in with a lot of misconceptions of what a submissive is. I love these boards because you going to find many different answers but some will resonate with you. If you are uncomfortable in the beginning, don't worry and believe me IT DOES NOT mean you are not a submissive. Do Not buy into that.

I was fortunate to meet and becomes friends with some wonderful submissives here on Cm and a few in rt. They helped me a lot in the area of letting me know my feelings were normal for me and it was okay to question myself. Through all this my self-respect has grown a lot. I suggest read as much as you can and educate yourself

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RE: Self respect and being a sub - 12/18/2009 8:52:51 PM   
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You have gotten a number of very good answers, the most important being knowing what you want, and following your instincts. I once made the mistake when very young and new of falling in the trap set by nefarious creatures who try and convince subs that being a sub means being submissive to every self titled MostHighLordMasterTopDaddyDom - and whatever they wanted. The result being a v-e-r-y BAD experience that put me firmly right back into safe little 'nilla land for several years. I didn't venture out again until i was condifident I was mature enough to clearly understand my own desires- and then I spent several months talking extensively with people until the right click came along.

During the mentioned discussions, I ran across more than one potential Dom that made references to making me their bitch/whore/slut etc. Havng a great deal of self respect, and being every inch a lady ( although a kinky one!) I found that to be offensive and degrading.

However, what is offensive and degrading from one person, can be loving and passionate from another; it's all in context. I am Cee's little slut- because that is what he wants; but he also ensures that I know i am his most treasured possession, and that he loves and respects me.

Bottom line- if it isn't working for both people, it's not working at all. If it doesn't feel right, and the Dom isn't willing to discuss it with you, it probably is way wrong for you. Move on.

You will learn that patience really can be a virtue, because trust me- it ain't easy finding a guy who wants to tie you up, fuck you silly, beat you like a whore, along with whatever else he wants to do- and still respect you like a lady in the morning!

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RE: Self respect and being a sub - 12/18/2009 10:50:30 PM   
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I know what you are talking about OP.  Everyone is giving great advice about trying to figure out what you want and choosing your partner wisely.  I am in my first D/s relationship, and it is wonderful because I am with the right Dom (we've been together for almost 4 years).  But, I have struggled some with the self respect issue, because I was raised in a feminist household.  I was taught that I should never do something just because a man told me to.  It took a while for me to understand that doing something just because the right man told me to is much different than doing something just because someone with a penis told me to, and that doing something because my Sir tells me to makes me happy.  If you want to discuss it on the other side, send me a note.

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RE: Self respect and being a sub - 12/19/2009 1:28:09 AM   
elleX


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Ktez
is it possible that the self respect that we talk about is for you an sensitive cord even outside of your submission ? i am just trying to understand
and since you are new in that avenue,,, your first experiences will  be very important ( lacking of word here ,, bad english )

take time to choose your partner ,, unfortunalty, some men will  treat you as a lesser  human been , they are not real dominant but pretend to be.
try to find yourself few healthy mind submissive women to  stick with as friend
elleX

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RE: Self respect and being a sub - 12/19/2009 1:54:12 AM   
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i struggled with the self respect thing when i was young... i am a slut and i slept around a lot and it can be very difficult to understand why you do what you do... especially when you find you have given yourself to an absolute wanker... but alas, you live and learn...

when my Husband and i started this BDSM thing approx two years ago i was scared that He might lose respect for me... and perhaps turn into a wanker... we talked about it and we are doing just fine

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RE: Self respect and being a sub - 12/19/2009 5:30:17 AM   
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Embracing ones submissive nature is a celebration of self. All the years of wondering, wanting to understand who/what I am. Knowing ones self is the highest form of self respect, is it not?

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RE: Self respect and being a sub - 12/19/2009 8:10:21 AM   
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the key to keeping healthy self-respect while exploring your submission is to always be true to yourself first and foremost.

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RE: Self respect and being a sub - 12/19/2009 9:56:56 AM   
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i had this said to me a few years ago, and it hit such a chord with me i saved it:

"The most dedicated and enduring submissives and slaves are the ones who approach their submission as a healthy furthering of their own self-exploration and personal development, and who remain in touch with, aware of, and maintain responsibility for their own mind-space and the thoughts that happen there (including any choices made that are based on those thoughts)."

For me, being submissive, (and ultimately the slave property of my Owner), is about becoming something better than i already *am* - it's about constantly increasing in value for his use, pleasure, and fun and amusement, whether he's playing with me sexually, humiliating me, or having me pour him a beer.  This is an existence to feel very, very good about.

Detaching my judgment - or society's judgment - of my submission has been very freeing.  You are doing something wonderful, pleasureable, and developmental for yourself, and for someone else - what's not to love?

my best,
julie



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RE: Self respect and being a sub - 12/22/2009 8:50:27 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: kTez8

I am new to the BDSM experience and am still exploring/learning. I identify as submissive but something I am having a hard time dealing with is keeping healthy self-respect while trying to explore submission. I know that being submissive doesn't mean becoming less than human, but I was wondering what perspectives others may have.

Especially in light of all the profiles on collarMe that seem a bit extreme or over the top (not meant to be judgemental)


i appreciate others comments and the fact that they can achieve it but for me it is the humiliation, degradation and ego-bashing that is the attraction.
i do often have very low self esteem and self respect and the things i am into do not help. Oddly however indulging my fetishes do not drag me down ion the whole. My failure to please my Mistress does do this however.
its an odd world isn't it?

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RE: Self respect and being a sub - 12/22/2009 4:31:25 PM   
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Ktez8, I did not begin in this life by trying to find the right person. I first explored me. I looked closely at how I thought people should treat each other. I examined how I wanted to be treated and how I wanted to treat the person who might be important in my life. In doing this, I discovered that for me - at least in that moment of time (I didn't put limitations on me), submissiveness was what most closely aligned with what i was looking for. 

Then, I explored the basic tenets of this life - AS I SAW THEM TO BE... I capitalize this because if you ask a group of people what those basic tenets are, you're going to get just as many answers as there are people - and all of them will be different. So, I explored the tenets that I thought were embodied in this life. Then, I did a lot of soul-searching to see if I could live up to and embrace those tenets without losing what was intrinsically "me" in the process. (this was important because at that time in my life, I was just coming off of a divorce in which I was trying to also discover exactly who I was. I didn't want to lose the little progress I'd made and more importantly, I recognized how easy it would be to go back to the same kind of person - so I had to make some solid decisions about what it was I wanted, and if I could find that in another person. An oh yes... I made a LOT of mistakes along the way, so dont be afraid to find out that what you THOUGHT you wanted doesn't turn out to be exactly what you really need. Each error in judgment comes with a learning experience and it's all good.

After that (sounds like a long drawn out process, doesn't it? Well, to say I was being cautious would definitely be an understatement, but this was all prep work for how I wanted to live the rest of my life, so it was worth it),., After that, I attended munches, and just got to know people. Back then, there werent all the public parties there are now, but eventually I was invited to one, then another and so on. I used those parties to watch and learn. I also made private judgments as to who I would feel comfortable with and who I wouldn't. These decisions were ALL based on what would work well FOR ME.

Eventually - like TWO years later - I took the plunge and went from books and observations to the physical. The process allowed me to get a handle on who I was, what I needed and more importantly, what I was looking for in someone else. These were all important decisions and processes.

Also during that time, and through my explorations, it became clear to me that I was indeed more comfortable on the submissive side of the fence. Once all this was in place, and I eventually met the person I would spend my first relationship with, I was more ready to take on the processes of submissiveness (as he saw them to be as well as I saw them to be).

What I learned was that this life is essentially - for all the giving that submissives do for their dominants - an inherently selfish life. We (submissives) are not here because someone said so. We're here because we CHOOSE to be here. We SUBMIT, not because we can't do the things our dominants do on our own, but because we CHOOSE to submit. This is, in and of itself, an extremely self-motivated process and as such, it is really up to us as to the level of self-respect we hold for ourselves.

From beginning to end, what we are doing is what we are choosing to do and that is a mark of self-respect. Our choices further enhance this self-respect. No one winds up under the carpet without placing themselves there, and so, what you are doing when you submit CAN be a very uplifting process - depending on how you approach it.

Trust in your judgment. Know you can walk away if need be. Develop a plan of action. (Mine was that I would try something three times. Once to break the ice (so to speak), twice to see if I liked it, and a third time to be sure. If after three times, I would put whatever it was on my hard limit list and that would be that. I included the actual process of submitting in that list of trying three times.

What I found was that there was very little that I didn't like, and that the biggest impediment to me in my submission did not come from the dominant. Rather, it came from my inability to open my mind. When I finally was able to open my mind to the possibilities without worrying about what it would mean about me, the world opened up to me.

If all else fails, think of it as trying a new food. It's not a reflection on who you are as a person if you don't like the new dish. It just means that the new dish isn't something you want to have again. The same is true with submission and how it relates to self-respect. Submitting isn't a reflection of your inability or an indication of your lack of self-respect. If you don't like it, that's just what you don't like..nothing more - nothing less.

Going this route, I eventually found someone I could respect and who would respect me. I've never been happier. We've been together now for 7 and a half years and I wouldn't change a thing. And through it all, my self- respect is intact - because the work was done by me for me - long before I went looking for someone to fill spaces I needed to fill on my own. Most importantly, I actually like myself - which isn't something I could have said at the beginning of all this.

Good luck

juliet

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RE: Self respect and being a sub - 12/23/2009 3:09:09 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: julietsierra
After that (sounds like a long drawn out process, doesn't it? Well, to say I was being cautious would definitely be an understatement, but this was all prep work for how I wanted to live the rest of my life, so it was worth it),., After that, I attended munches, and just got to know people. Back then, there werent all the public parties there are now, but eventually I was invited to one, then another and so on. I used those parties to watch and learn. I also made private judgments as to who I would feel comfortable with and who I wouldn't. These decisions were ALL based on what would work well FOR ME.

Eventually - like TWO years later - I took the plunge and went from books and observations to the physical. The process allowed me to get a handle on who I was, what I needed and more importantly, what I was looking for in someone else. These were all important decisions and processes.
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it does sound daunting when you put the processes down like that. i did the same as you, - well i plunged in, got seriously burned and leapt out again - but after that i took things slowly - and the learning/growing/changing doesnt stop - part of what i really love about this lifestyle.

the thing ive found is that far from this undermining my self respect its been the turning point in my life when ive actually become more of who i am and am much happier generally.



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RE: Self respect and being a sub - 12/23/2009 3:19:25 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: kTez8

I am new to the BDSM experience and am still exploring/learning. I identify as submissive but something I am having a hard time dealing with is keeping healthy self-respect while trying to explore submission. I know that being submissive doesn't mean becoming less than human, but I was wondering what perspectives others may have.

Especially in light of all the profiles on collarMe that seem a bit extreme or over the top (not meant to be judgemental)


At no time should anyone be expected to compromise their self respect. Yes, there a lot of clueless people who write things that are indeed over the top

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RE: Self respect and being a sub - 12/23/2009 4:21:51 AM   
julietsierra


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quote:

ORIGINAL: lally2


quote:

ORIGINAL: julietsierra
After that (sounds like a long drawn out process, doesn't it? Well, to say I was being cautious would definitely be an understatement, but this was all prep work for how I wanted to live the rest of my life, so it was worth it),., After that, I attended munches, and just got to know people. Back then, there werent all the public parties there are now, but eventually I was invited to one, then another and so on. I used those parties to watch and learn. I also made private judgments as to who I would feel comfortable with and who I wouldn't. These decisions were ALL based on what would work well FOR ME.

Eventually - like TWO years later - I took the plunge and went from books and observations to the physical. The process allowed me to get a handle on who I was, what I needed and more importantly, what I was looking for in someone else. These were all important decisions and processes.
.



it does sound daunting when you put the processes down like that. i did the same as you, - well i plunged in, got seriously burned and leapt out again - but after that i took things slowly - and the learning/growing/changing doesnt stop - part of what i really love about this lifestyle.

the thing ive found is that far from this undermining my self respect its been the turning point in my life when ive actually become more of who i am and am much happier generally.




lol... If I'd said "be patient, take your time, get to know you first," it wouldn't have made any sense. And the OP would probably have just shut me out (most people do when you use the "p" word. For new people, patience seems to be a curse word. )

But that's the whole point, isn't it? - to know yourself better, to be happy with who you are and who you've come to be and to be very aware of all the steps along the way.

I used to pause every year around December 3rd (the date I stood in front of a judge who granted my divorce) and take stock of where I was the previous year and how far I'd come. I'd kind of laugh as how much I THOUGHT I knew the previous year when compared to the current year. In actuality, I knew nothing.

And yep... like you lolly, what caused me to undergo this laborious process was that I too didn't like the word "patience" and did everything wrong. I got hurt badly and learned a couple of things... first, that I wasn't running, screaming for the hills away from all this. (A FINE response if you discover this isn't for you) and second, that I was a major contributor in the process of how I got hurt. My ignorance of even the simplest things meant I was responsible for what happened to me. With only 2 boyfriends ever before I married and then, 18 years of marriage, I had less dating skills than most 16 year olds. The only way out of all of this given the fact that I was obviously still interested in this life AND the fact that I was dangerously ignorant was to embrace patience and take things slowly, learning about me and this life as I went.

I rather like how I turned out.

juliet

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RE: Self respect and being a sub - 12/25/2009 8:43:52 PM   
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I believe it takes a hell of a lot of courage to be a sub, even more courage(and smarts) to admit to yourself that you are submissive, and even still more courage (and more smarts) to be able to recognize that in one's self. Subs and slaves are both smarter and more courageous than the average Jill.

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RE: Self respect and being a sub - 12/27/2009 11:27:16 AM   
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I have good self respect. I mean, what's not to like? That has nothing  to do with how I like to be treated. It's not myself that I want to treat me with utter disrespect. It's someone else, and if they respected me as a slave they would respect my need to be disrespected accordingly. The apparent contradiction is easy to figure out. Let me be who I am and do what I am good at, which happens to be selfless and utilitarian. Others who enjoy domination need someone upon whom to inflict and act as their impulses dictate. People like me need to receive that. In the scheme of D/s, it works out perfectly. Nothing that is done to me or that I am required to do can go against what I want, because I want whatever is done and demanded. I can take pride in fulfilling the need of a dominant selflessly. The dominant should be able to respect the fact that abuse suits me. The more absolute and wide open this exchange of power, the better for their freedom to be as they are, and mine to subject myself to whatever they may want. 

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RE: Self respect and being a sub - 12/27/2009 11:41:55 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: kTez8

I am new to the BDSM experience and am still exploring/learning. I identify as submissive but something I am having a hard time dealing with is keeping healthy self-respect while trying to explore submission. I know that being submissive doesn't mean becoming less than human, but I was wondering what perspectives others may have.

Especially in light of all the profiles on collarMe that seem a bit extreme or over the top (not meant to be judgemental)


my take is let his pride in you be your pride

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