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MissNinanz -> slave contract (12/14/2009 2:03:50 AM)

hello to A/all  I am wanting to see how to go about finding the right contract for My slave/s  any advice or help I would appreciate from Y/you  thanks MissNina  




OrionTheWolf -> RE: slave contract (12/14/2009 4:45:17 AM)

Why do you want a contract?




Lucienne -> RE: slave contract (12/14/2009 5:11:04 AM)

Because a slave contract is not legally binding, I'd suggest not wasting your time with all the people on the internet who've made efforts to wrestle with assorted legal issues in the drafting of such a contract.

The point of a written contract is to make explicit your expectations of your slave and his/her behavior. The "right" contract for your slave/s is the one that communicates these expectations -- the terms of the slave's "slavery." Ideally, you'd have a contract that answers all potential questions a slave might have about the terms and conditions of his/her slavery. Obviously, that's near impossible to pull off, but the contract should serve as both Notice of your intentions (that the individual assents to by accepting your collar) and guidelines which the slave can use to determine his/her behavior.

Although I have no fondness for "slavery," I do have a hard-on for contracts. And even one that isn't legally enforceable is an opportunity for the parties involved to sit down and have a "meeting of the minds" as to the nature and dynamic of their relationship.






Drifa -> RE: slave contract (12/14/2009 5:14:38 AM)

I've seen a number of "sample contracts" online. I'd just try Googling.




PrimalConsonance -> RE: slave contract (12/14/2009 5:47:37 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MissNinanz

hello to A/all  I am wanting to see how to go about finding the right contract for My slave/s  any advice or help I would appreciate from Y/you  thanks MissNina  


(CNJDom here:)You could try this website:  http://www.slavecontract.com/

These are not legally binding, but puts into writing a formally negotiated set of rules.  If you are planning to put a time limit on this relationship, then this is one way to keep it up front.  But if not, then why not forgo the contract if the dynamic doesn't require it.  Good luck in any case.




DarkSteven -> RE: slave contract (12/14/2009 5:48:33 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucienne

Because a slave contract is not legally binding, I'd suggest not wasting your time with all the people on the internet who've made efforts to wrestle with assorted legal issues in the drafting of such a contract.

The point of a written contract is to make explicit your expectations of your slave and his/her behavior. The "right" contract for your slave/s is the one that communicates these expectations -- the terms of the slave's "slavery." Ideally, you'd have a contract that answers all potential questions a slave might have about the terms and conditions of his/her slavery. Obviously, that's near impossible to pull off, but the contract should serve as both Notice of your intentions (that the individual assents to by accepting your collar) and guidelines which the slave can use to determine his/her behavior.

Although I have no fondness for "slavery," I do have a hard-on for contracts. And even one that isn't legally enforceable is an opportunity for the parties involved to sit down and have a "meeting of the minds" as to the nature and dynamic of their relationship.



Lucienne pretty much covered it.

If you'd like, bring in a kinkster third person to roleplay a lawyer and review each clause with the two of you - that might make you hot.  Don't even think of getting a real lawyer, though!




aldompdx -> RE: slave contract (12/14/2009 6:16:53 AM)

I have recently revised my position on the matter, after finding an authoritative definition upon which a contract may be qualified:

OXFORD ENGLISH DICTIONARY
DRAFT ADDITIONS JUNE 2006

slave, n.1 (and adj.)
- A person who plays the submissive role in sadomasochistic sexual activity. Cf. MASTER n.1 2d, MISTRESS n. 2g.
1901 Suburban Souls I. iv. 81 My best beloved master, Do come tomorrow... Try to stay as late as possible if you wish to please your slave and make her very happy. 1907 J. P. KIRKWOOD Sadopaideia I. 52 The fascination of domination held me, and though..I had both Muriel and Juliette as my mistresses, that was more for their pleasure than my own. For myself I was their master, they were my slaves. 1921 F. SAVAGE tr. L. von Sacher-Masoch Venus in Furs 73 ‘You have awakened my dearest dream... To be the slave of a woman, a beautiful woman, whom I love, whom I worship.’ ‘And who on that account maltreats you.’ 1980 E. WHITE in L. Michaels & C. B. Ricks State of Lang. 244 The way to ask someone to be your slave..is ‘are you into a bottom scene?’ 1995 Independent 22 Mar. 23/3 It is hard to imagine him as a stereotypical leather-clad, whip-wielding ‘master’ disciplining his ‘slave’.


Thus, a lawful but not necessarily enforceable contract may qualify the term "slave" to mean the above recited definiton and no more. Prenuptial contracts and marriage contracts have been affected by consumation, or even less than the above recited definition.

It also remains vitally important to never forget the origin of the word "SLAVE" clearly connotes non-consent (also from OED):
med.L. sclavus, sclava, identical with the racial name Sclavus (see SLAV), the Slavonic population in parts of central Europe having been reduced to a servile condition by conquest; the transferred sense is clearly evidenced in documents of the 9th century.

We all live on planet "nilla" Earth, as some call it. To argue that a "sex slave" merely pertains to a lifestyle choice, is like arguing that a "nigger" merely pertains to poor pronounciation of classical Latin (niger), Middle French (negre), Dutch/German/Swedish/Danish (neger), Spanish/Portuguese/Italian (negro) -- for black. (source, OED). The latter is surely the perspective of many caucasians in the U.S. deep south. Ironically, both terms are equally charged in the same subject matter.

I believe that every self professed "BDSM slave" should learn the extremely abusive and abhorrent nature of real sexual slavery by watching "The Day My God Died," a PBS documentary.
http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/daymygoddied/






Mercnbeth -> RE: slave contract (12/14/2009 6:30:10 AM)

Writing a 'slave contract' or 'rules' for your relationship for legal purposes is an exercise in futility.

Writing a agreement for the sake of benchmarking where you are individually, setting behavior responsibilities for all parties involved, and seeing a goal for what you want to achieve and where you expect the relationship to lead is a great idea.

Other examples can create a guide; taking the best ideas and finding out what you don't want to do from others. Ultimately though the result has to come from the people involved. Each should write one that describes their 'ideal' situation independent from the other. The next step is getting together and comparing notes. IF there is still enough common ground and no 'deal breakers' get disclosed - put on some music, light some candles, get naked, open up a fine bottle and share a glass of wine, and start talking about what you've written and write out one that combines the 'ideal' aspects of a relationship jointly desired. Take another week and individually look over the result, get together again add and subtract as agreed. The end result is a 'contract'.

Some, like us, give it very high importance; signing it, framing it, displaying in our bedroom, and making it a daily 'ritual'. Others never refer to it again - the process was enough. A 'Contract' won't define your relationship on a daily basis but it will help you focus. Going through the process you'll discover if the level of intensity desired and dedication to the relationship is equal.

Personally, some of the 'rules' we formed back then aren't used, or even pragmatically possible under our current living conditions. But it is fun to see who we were back when we wrote them, how far we've come. It makes us appreciate how easily we achieved some difficult goals we set; and how some other things we thought were 'critical' ended up not being so important.

Nobody can help you with the specifics. If what you write doesn't come from your hearts and, not forgetting the pragmatic, your loins, it won't work. Take concepts, ideas, and things you haven't or wouldn't have thought about from examples; you can read plenty doing a simple web-search, and form the body. The soul must come from you.

Whether it works or not depends on you and your partner. If you wanted to hear from a couple who have, use, and belief in the value of a 'contract' we represent one.

Good luck!




breatheasone -> RE: slave contract (12/14/2009 7:09:38 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MissNinanz

hello to A/all  I am wanting to see how to go about finding the right contract for My slave/s  any advice or help I would appreciate from Y/you  thanks MissNina  

Master and i do not have a contract. i have been collared for over two years, and i can honestly tell you that a contract would not make Our relationship more real, or make me more submissive, or Him more Masterly.......




pompeii -> RE: slave contract (12/14/2009 8:15:50 AM)

http://www.submissiveloving.com/lifestylecontract.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contract_(BDSM)
http://www.bdsmcircle.net/dslifestyle/contracts.htm
http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1056523
http://www.thedoghouse.org/members/lkm-contract.htm




Mercnbeth -> RE: slave contract (12/14/2009 9:36:59 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: aldompdx

I have recently revised my position on the matter, after finding an authoritative definition upon which a contract may be qualified:

OXFORD ENGLISH DICTIONARY
DRAFT ADDITIONS JUNE 2006

slave, n.1 (and adj.)
- A person who plays the submissive role in sadomasochistic sexual activity. Cf. MASTER n.1 2d, MISTRESS n. 2g.
1901 Suburban Souls I. iv. 81 My best beloved master, Do come tomorrow... Try to stay as late as possible if you wish to please your slave and make her very happy. 1907 J. P. KIRKWOOD Sadopaideia I. 52 The fascination of domination held me, and though..I had both Muriel and Juliette as my mistresses, that was more for their pleasure than my own. For myself I was their master, they were my slaves. 1921 F. SAVAGE tr. L. von Sacher-Masoch Venus in Furs 73 ‘You have awakened my dearest dream... To be the slave of a woman, a beautiful woman, whom I love, whom I worship.’ ‘And who on that account maltreats you.’ 1980 E. WHITE in L. Michaels & C. B. Ricks State of Lang. 244 The way to ask someone to be your slave..is ‘are you into a bottom scene?’ 1995 Independent 22 Mar. 23/3 It is hard to imagine him as a stereotypical leather-clad, whip-wielding ‘master’ disciplining his ‘slave’.


Thus, a lawful but not necessarily enforceable contract may qualify the term "slave" to mean the above recited definiton and no more. Prenuptial contracts and marriage contracts have been affected by consumation, or even less than the above recited definition.

It also remains vitally important to never forget the origin of the word "SLAVE" clearly connotes non-consent (also from OED):
med.L. sclavus, sclava, identical with the racial name Sclavus (see SLAV), the Slavonic population in parts of central Europe having been reduced to a servile condition by conquest; the transferred sense is clearly evidenced in documents of the 9th century.

We all live on planet "nilla" Earth, as some call it. To argue that a "sex slave" merely pertains to a lifestyle choice, is like arguing that a "nigger" merely pertains to poor pronounciation of classical Latin (niger), Middle French (negre), Dutch/German/Swedish/Danish (neger), Spanish/Portuguese/Italian (negro) -- for black. (source, OED). The latter is surely the perspective of many caucasians in the U.S. deep south. Ironically, both terms are equally charged in the same subject matter.

I believe that every self professed "BDSM slave" should learn the extremely abusive and abhorrent nature of real sexual slavery by watching "The Day My God Died," a PBS documentary.
http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/daymygoddied/



since the English language is full of words with more than one specific meaning, regardless of origin, this slave has found it useful to use the appropriate dictionary definition so as not to insult anyone:

*a person who is excessively dependent upon or controlled by something
Source: OED, 2009...no mention of "by force".
 
*A person who is held in bondage to another; one who is wholly subject to the will of another; one who is held as a chattel; one who has no freedom of action, but whose person and services are wholly under the control of another.
Source: Webster, 1913...no mention of "against one's will".

*One who has lost the power of resistance; one who surrenders himself to any power whatever; as, a slave to passion, to lust, to strong drink, to ambition.
Source: Webster, 1913...no mention of "without consent".
 
*a person who is owned by someone
someone who works as hard as a slave [syn: striver, hard worker]
someone entirely dominated by some influence or person
Source: WordNet (r) 2.0...no mention of "by force"




Kyoki -> RE: slave contract (12/14/2009 9:41:42 AM)

I have to be honest, if you need a contract to keep your sub around or to keep trust noted on paper, then there's something wrong.

I'm only 20, but it should come as no surprise that being in this lifestyle or being into this play relies on trusting your partner/partners. If you need a contract to enforce that, I wouldn't bother.




mnottertail -> RE: slave contract (12/14/2009 9:44:46 AM)

if you drop your balls in her mouth and say will you do this and this and she talks with her mouth full in the affirmative, you have the original TESTAMENT.

So, keep it real out there, kids.

Pope Leo




MissNinanz -> RE: slave contract (12/14/2009 3:02:50 PM)

Thank Y/you A/all for  Y/your  replies and advice  I would like to say thank-you to A/all for this matter kind regards MissNina 




Surrenderwithin -> RE: slave contract (12/14/2009 3:08:30 PM)

Our contract is a simple one.
He is Master. I am slave. He commands. I obey.

Short, sweet, and to the point.




DesFIP -> RE: slave contract (12/14/2009 5:27:23 PM)

You don't find one, the two of you sit down and write one that spells out responsibilities and rights for both of you. With that said, you could spend six months hammering out every detail and he could still not to any of it and you could not hold up your end either without any real ramifications.

The purpose of it is in the writing. You have to think about and talk about every possible idea which allows you to discover if you really are as compatible as you think you are.




MissNinanz -> RE: slave contract (12/14/2009 10:48:29 PM)

thanks E/everyone  this was actually for a friend of Mine as she is new to this lifestyle and .     I do have a slave and W/we dont have a contract  but she asked Me to inquire about them for her . so thank Y/you all very much I will pass on   Kind regards always MissNina 




mrstrict617 -> RE: slave contract (12/23/2009 11:41:41 AM)

quote:

The "right" contract for your slave/s is the one that communicates these expectations -- the terms of the slave's "slavery." Ideally, you'd have a contract that answers all potential questions a slave might have about the terms and conditions of his/her slavery.


I agree with Lucienne.

There is a nice example of such a contract in the book Miss Abernathy's Concise Slave Training Manual.




osf -> RE: slave contract (12/23/2009 11:49:47 AM)

a simple contract should say, you want to stay obey otherwise leave




MasterSlaveLA -> RE: slave contract (12/23/2009 12:13:48 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MissNinanz

Thank Y/you A/all for  Y/your  replies and advice...



K/knock T/that S/shit O/off...   [;)]





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