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Pentagon/CIA prepare for climate change - 12/14/2009 9:07:55 AM   
Musicmystery


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Status: offline 		The sweep of these preparations is interesting:

Pentagon, CIA Eye New Threat: Climate Change
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RE: Pentagon/CIA prepare for climate change - 12/14/2009 9:16:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		They've been concerned about this since at least 2007, along with the insurance industry, which is going to face big payouts because of our refusal to act on this for the ten years or so that there's been scientific agreement.

http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/article/0,28804,1730759_1731383_1731632,00.html

I love hearing from our kooky right wing how global warming is just a big hoax and efforts to face climate change are a big conspiracy by other countries to "take your money" and (I guess) force us to drink French wine. Little details like the Pentagon being in on the plot to create a "socialist world government" don't seem to deter the flat earthers one bit.

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RE: Pentagon/CIA prepare for climate change - 12/14/2009 9:51:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		"But the new attention to climate concerns among U.S. security officials does not mean the Pentagon and the CIA have taken sides in the debate over the validity of data on global warming. As with nuclear terrorism, deadly pandemics or biological warfare, it only means they want to be prepared.

"I always look at the worst case," says one senior intelligence official who follows climate issues. "Whether it's global warming or the chance of Country A invading Country B, I just assume the most likely outcome is the worst one.""


4th paragraph of the article cited in the OP. An actual quote which contradicts the one sentance opening paragraph.

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RE: Pentagon/CIA prepare for climate change - 12/14/2009 12:11:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		But, yet, they're not planning for a space-alien invasion? I mean, if they're planning for kooky, improbable events like 'global climate change', just in case, then they should plan for, say, Godzilla (or similar) rampaging around Manhattan or DC or whatever . . . . . I also haven't seen any plans to battle an all-consuming 'blob like' critter . . . . . Nor do they seem to be making contingency plans to fight super-powered humans (a Watchmen type scenario, or something along that line) . . . . [/ironic tone]

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RE: Pentagon/CIA prepare for climate change - 12/14/2009 12:31:45 PM   
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But, yet, they're not planning for a space-alien invasion? I mean, if they're planning for kooky, improbable events like 'global climate change', just in case, then they should plan for, say, Godzilla (or similar) rampaging around Manhattan or DC or whatever . . . . .

They have SHIELD to deal with that one. Did you never read those Godzilla comics from the '70s?

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RE: Pentagon/CIA prepare for climate change - 12/14/2009 1:52:51 PM   
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RE: Pentagon/CIA prepare for climate change - 12/14/2009 2:30:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		Boy, talk about mission creep, this is mission gallop. The minister of India is particularly paranoid about all those refugees from Bangmydish. See, that's the problem. Too many damn people on this island. Get them the hell off before the glaciers melt.

CIA, DOD, more missions = more funding from taxpayers.

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RE: Pentagon/CIA prepare for climate change - 12/14/2009 2:40:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Climate change has become a hot topic among many military planners since this paper started making the rounds in 2003. The wars of the future may be more about securing access to fresh water or fertile topsoil than fighting over abstractions and principle. It'll only become more obvious as unlucky populations succumb to the inevitable Malthusian catastrophe that arises when too many people outpace their resources, an effect that we see regularly in Africa, where humanitarian aid allows populations to grow far beyond their internal agricultural output... resulting in widespread famine when that aid is interrupted.

I am not at all surprised that the Pentagon recognizes the implications of even the slightest chance that weather patterns could go haywire. Its counterparts in Europe and Russia have shown signs of similar thought. There are even rumors that China is on board, possibly accounting for its presence at Copenhagen, showing activity and making concessions that would have been unthinkable just a couple of years ago.

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RE: Pentagon/CIA prepare for climate change - 12/14/2009 4:50:33 PM   
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RE: Pentagon/CIA prepare for climate change - 12/14/2009 5:03:13 PM   
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Climate change has become a hot topic among many military planners since this paper started making the rounds in 2003. The wars of the future may be more about securing access to fresh water or fertile topsoil than fighting over abstractions and principle. It'll only become more obvious as unlucky populations succumb to the inevitable Malthusian catastrophe that arises when too many people outpace their resources, an effect that we see regularly in Africa, where humanitarian aid allows populations to grow far beyond their internal agricultural output... resulting in widespread famine when that aid is interrupted.

I am not at all surprised that the Pentagon recognizes the implications of even the slightest chance that weather patterns could go haywire. Its counterparts in Europe and Russia have shown signs of similar thought. There are even rumors that China is on board, possibly accounting for its presence at Copenhagen, showing activity and making concessions that would have been unthinkable just a couple of years ago.


A well reasoned and informative piece, Chris. The Malthusian implications lie quite close to the surface. Time to read again the extremely prescient 1997 book by Robert D Kaplan The Coming Anarchy, apocalyptic for the loss of Power of the ruling nations over the burgeoning populations of Asia and Africa.

Also time to revisit Thomas Malthus here for anyone who is interested.

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RE: Pentagon/CIA prepare for climate change - 12/14/2009 5:06:56 PM   
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Hog wash.


Clearly, an emphatic opinion but not with much supporting evidence. I would think, quite sincerely, as someone who has an apocalyptic obsession with hoarding gold you would be much more sympathetic to what Chris wrote. The scenario he describes would surely make your gold waaaaaay more valuable.

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RE: Pentagon/CIA prepare for climate change - 12/14/2009 5:09:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		Oh please. The Pentagon isn't worried at all. Everyone knows the DOD has that big weather control installation on the north slope of Alaska that they've been using to experiment with large magnetic fields changing the weather patterns in the northern hemisphere. That's what created El Niño, right?

And now they've got all those weather control satellites they're scattering around the globe. Soon they'll be able to change the weather patterns everywhere on the planet. Concern for 'global warming' is just a cover for all the money, research and time. Come on...

See ... I can play, too!

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RE: Pentagon/CIA prepare for climate change - 12/14/2009 5:24:41 PM   
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RE: Pentagon/CIA prepare for climate change - 12/14/2009 6:44:39 PM   
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Oh please. The Pentagon isn't worried at all. Everyone knows the DOD has that big weather control installation on the north slope of Alaska that they've been using to experiment with large magnetic fields changing the weather patterns in the northern hemisphere. That's what created El Niño, right?

And now they've got all those weather control satellites they're scattering around the globe. Soon they'll be able to change the weather patterns everywhere on the planet. Concern for 'global warming' is just a cover for all the money, research and time. Come on...

See ... I can play, too!


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RE: Pentagon/CIA prepare for climate change - 12/14/2009 6:55:01 PM   
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I love hearing from our kooky right wing how global warming is just a big hoax and efforts to face climate change are a big conspiracy by other countries to "take your money" and (I guess) force us to drink French wine. Little details like the Pentagon being in on the plot to create a "socialist world government" don't seem to deter the flat earthers one bit.




I, on the other hand, am pretty much bored to tears by those who can't wrap their puny minds around the fact that the climate on this planet changes constantly, and have instead bought into the "anthropogenic" BULLSHIT embraced by facistic totalitarians who have made global warming their talking point, and the greedy whores who want make billions off the scam.

Glad to know the Pentagon is prepping for what happens naturally on our planet.

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RE: Pentagon/CIA prepare for climate change - 12/14/2009 7:29:46 PM   
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Oh please. The Pentagon isn't worried at all. Everyone knows the DOD has that big weather control installation on the north slope of Alaska that they've been using to experiment with large magnetic fields changing the weather patterns in the northern hemisphere. That's what created El Niño, right?

And now they've got all those weather control satellites they're scattering around the globe. Soon they'll be able to change the weather patterns everywhere on the planet. Concern for 'global warming' is just a cover for all the money, research and time. Come on...

See ... I can play, too!


AND the U.S. is by far the largest holder of gold. Just when everybody's scarfed up all the rest of the gold available, mined every known vein, gold will hit $20,000/ounce, and the U.S. will at first sell enough to pay its debt, secretly move much more into other assets, then dump huge quantities on the market to crash the price, and buy all the world's assets in the ensuing depression at bargain basement prices, becoming the only remaining stable government in the world.

The plan will go awry, though, as restrictions ensuring no money goes to abortion or illegal immigrants scuttles the needed bills. A secret Jerry Falwell book will suddenly come to light, predicting this as a result of harboring homosexuals.

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RE: Pentagon/CIA prepare for climate change - 12/14/2009 7:36:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just exactly who are these "greedy whores" who are scheming to make billions of dollars off the climate change fraud, and exactly how are they planning to accomplish this? Just what, exactly, is the point of this supposed conspiracy? Can someone please explain it to me, because I've never understood this. 

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RE: Pentagon/CIA prepare for climate change - 12/14/2009 7:41:36 PM   
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RE: Pentagon/CIA prepare for climate change - 12/14/2009 8:53:44 PM   
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Oh please. The Pentagon isn't worried at all. Everyone knows the DOD has that big weather control installation on the north slope of Alaska that they've been using to experiment with large magnetic fields changing the weather patterns in the northern hemisphere. That's what created El Niño, right?

And now they've got all those weather control satellites they're scattering around the globe. Soon they'll be able to change the weather patterns everywhere on the planet. Concern for 'global warming' is just a cover for all the money, research and time. Come on...

See ... I can play, too!


AND the U.S. is by far the largest holder of gold. Just when everybody's scarfed up all the rest of the gold available, mined every known vein, gold will hit $20,000/ounce, and the U.S. will at first sell enough to pay its debt, secretly move much more into other assets, then dump huge quantities on the market to crash the price, and buy all the world's assets in the ensuing depression at bargain basement prices, becoming the only remaining stable government in the world.

The plan will go awry, though, as restrictions ensuring no money goes to abortion or illegal immigrants scuttles the needed bills. A secret Jerry Falwell book will suddenly come to light, predicting this as a result of harboring homosexuals.



Wait a minute. You're going to fast. I want to take notes on the plan. LOL!

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RE: Pentagon/CIA prepare for climate change - 12/14/2009 9:05:51 PM   
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Just exactly who are these "greedy whores" who are scheming to make billions of dollars off the climate change fraud, and exactly how are they planning to accomplish this? Just what, exactly, is the point of this supposed conspiracy? Can someone please explain it to me, because I've never understood this. 

Doesn't have to be a conspiracy. Could be an information cascade especially when people of authority or prestige get in the front of the parade. Check out the source if you have any interest in an alternate phenomenon.

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