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Lucylastic -> RE: You Republicans are not the "real Americans." You are members of a lie-based evangelical paranoi (12/19/2009 7:54:25 AM)
It shouldnt surprise me, hang on, nope it doesnt ...

DarkSteven -> RE: You Republicans are not the "real Americans." You are members of a lie-based evangelical paranoid cu (12/19/2009 7:58:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy He is so obviously a product of his radical/socialist/liberal background, and so beholden to the Chicago political machine. His hair is turning gray because even he can't live up to the demands of the Soros/moveon crowd in good conscience. Funny you should say that. My own take is that he is continuing the disastrous Bush policies on the wars and on the bailouts. You on the other hand seem to feel that he is pioneering new radical policies, which I take it to mean the healthcare and global warming stuff. Also, note that you tend to call it leadership when it's someone whose policies you evidently agree with (GWB) yet deride Obama for the exact same things when you disagree with his policies. I actually think that the healthcare issue is being handled wonderfully, albeit not intentionally. I doubt that any kind of bill will get passed, but it is being raised as an issue. With luck, attention will start focusing on WHY the costs are rising so quickly, which is what should have been done initially. Global warming - I still don't understand it, which I suspect makes me identical to all the players on the issue...

Sanity -> RE: You Republicans are not the "real Americans." You are members of a lie-based evangelical paranoi (12/19/2009 8:00:24 AM)
That the problem isn't necessarily with their message... [;)] quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Well then what excuse for unreasoned diatribe, hyperbole and imbicility do the neo-cons offer as a standard? Ron

Lucylastic -> RE: You Republicans are not the "real Americans." You are members of a lie-based evangelical paranoi (12/19/2009 8:07:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity It is no excuse. It isn't a brain disease or a mental problem. Would you care to share with us what MS is then????

Sanity -> RE: You Republicans are not the "real Americans." You are members of a lie-based evangelical paranoid cu (12/19/2009 8:14:48 AM)
If he's following Bush's lead as you say then the issue is indeed leadership, isn't it. My take on Obama is that he's sort of floundering. Initially he thought he was invincible, he was billed as "all that" so much that he began to believe he was "all that". And nobody is all that, we're all just people, aren't we. So he had a long way to fall... Reality has begun to set in on him. He's had several rude shocks from the polling, he's being torn at from the far left as well as from the right AND his foreign friends, but his biggest problem is that he hasn't the experience (or the intelligence in my opinion) to deal with it all. He's no leader as you suggested, and he's been forced to cut off all ties with those who he used to go to for advice (Wright, etc). So now he's surrounded by a thousand voices which are just confusing him. quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven Funny you should say that. My own take is that he is continuing the disastrous Bush policies on the wars and on the bailouts. You on the other hand seem to feel that he is pioneering new radical policies, which I take it to mean the healthcare and global warming stuff. Also, note that you tend to call it leadership when it's someone whose policies you evidently agree with (GWB) yet deride Obama for the exact same things when you disagree with his policies. I actually think that the healthcare issue is being handled wonderfully, albeit not intentionally. I doubt that any kind of bill will get passed, but it is being raised as an issue. With luck, attention will start focusing on WHY the costs are rising so quickly, which is what should have been done initially. Global warming - I still don't understand it, which I suspect makes me identical to all the players on the issue...

Sanity -> RE: You Republicans are not the "real Americans." You are members of a lie-based evangelical paranoi (12/19/2009 8:19:49 AM)
Whoops, you're right. "Brain" has a brain disease... I didn't think that it affected cognitive function, but after reading up on it a bit I find that it does. quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity It is no excuse. It isn't a brain disease or a mental problem. Would you care to share with us what MS is then????

Lucylastic -> RE: You Republicans are not the "real Americans." You are members of a lie-based evangelical paranoi (12/19/2009 8:23:10 AM)
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SpinnerofTales -> RE: You Republicans are not the "real Americans." You are members of a lie-based evangelical paranoi (12/19/2009 10:08:59 AM)
quote: Whoops, you're right. "Brain" has a brain disease... I didn't think that it affected cognitive function, but after reading up on it a bit I find that it does. ORIGINAL: Sanity I usually don't interfere with your vicious attacks on anyone who disagrees with you, sanity. I usually have my hands full with the ones you lob my way. But this one is low even for you. If someone has a physical condition that keeps them from typing easily, to the point where they have to use voice recognition software, cutting and pasting is far easier than trying to get long original pieces onto the screen. Therefore, using the words of others that reflect his positions allow Brain to make his points in the most efficient and practical manner given his physical condition. That you sink to the level of making fun of someone for their physical disabilities is unconscionable, despicable and offensive beyond my capacity to describe. An appropriate response to finding out why Brain posts as he does would have been "Sorry. I didn't know. Carry on." To quote another man who long ago stood up to one who's agenda of hate brought him down to the lowest possible level, "Have you no shame?"

Lucylastic -> RE: You Republicans are not the "real Americans." You are members of a lie-based evangelical paranoi (12/19/2009 10:18:27 AM)
quote: That you sink to the level of making fun of someone for their physical disabilities is unconscionable, despicable and offensive beyond my capacity to describe. An appropriate response to finding out why Brain posts as he does would have been "Sorry. I didn't know. Carry on." To quote another man who long ago stood up to one who's agenda of hate brought him down to the lowest possible level, "Have you no shame?" quote: ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales Thank you Spinner for saying so eloquently what I was feeling...Im too angry right now.so I need to walk away. but thankyou.

Sanity -> RE: You Republicans are not the "real Americans." You are members of a lie-based evangelical paranoi (12/19/2009 10:51:46 AM)
I was merely agreeing with you Lucy. The fact that the situation is ironic isn't my doing. No, it wasn't a vicious attack. What you and Brain and Panda and Spinner routinely engage in are vicious attacks, which only serves to make this amusing situation even more ironic. I suppose I could have tip-toed around that which causes you such consternation a little better, but why. Look up at the title of the thread. Read the OP... and then explain to me with a straight face exactly why I should be walking more gently here.

SpinnerofTales -> RE: You Republicans are not the "real Americans." You are members of a lie-based evangelical paranoi (12/19/2009 11:48:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity I was merely agreeing with you Lucy. The fact that the situation is ironic isn't my doing. No, it wasn't a vicious attack. What you and Brain and Panda and Spinner routinely engage in are vicious attacks, which only serves to make this amusing situation even more ironic. I suppose I could have tip-toed around that which causes you such consternation a little better, but why. Look up at the title of the thread. Read the OP... and then explain to me with a straight face exactly why I should be walking more gently here. Because criticizing someone's political ideas, no matter how harshly is one thing. Making fun of someone's physical disabilities is another. If you ever could stop feeling so sorry for yourself for being picked upon, you might grow up enough to realize that. The fact that you can't tell the difference is just another demonstration why you're words, thoughts and world view are detestable and deserve to be treated like the unmitigated trash that all can see it to be.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: You Republicans are not the "real Americans." You are members of a lie-based evangelical paranoid cu (12/19/2009 12:01:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy He is so obviously a product of his radical/socialist/liberal background, and so beholden to the Chicago political machine. His hair is turning gray because even he can't live up to the demands of the Soros/moveon crowd in good conscience. Funny you should say that. My own take is that he is continuing the disastrous Bush policies on the wars and on the bailouts. You on the other hand seem to feel that he is pioneering new radical policies, which I take it to mean the healthcare and global warming stuff. Also, note that you tend to call it leadership when it's someone whose policies you evidently agree with (GWB) yet deride Obama for the exact same things when you disagree with his policies. I actually think that the healthcare issue is being handled wonderfully, albeit not intentionally. I doubt that any kind of bill will get passed, but it is being raised as an issue. With luck, attention will start focusing on WHY the costs are rising so quickly, which is what should have been done initially. Global warming - I still don't understand it, which I suspect makes me identical to all the players on the issue... The bailouts were Dem policy more than Bush policy, he is continuing the policies on the war in Iraq because they were the right policies, and Afghanistan in the hope of getting lucky with Bin Laden, which in and of itself might be enough to secure a 2d term. Add Gitmo and the trials in NY to the radical list as well. Therefore I don't deride Obama for the same things. Healthcare reform is a joke, but it will get passed. The best thing about it is that it will give plenty of soundbites on his broken campaign promises for transparency and bipartisanship. He thinks he is being politically smart by letting Reid and Pelosi carry the torch, but the public isnt fooled that easily. They know its his bill, and he will be blamed for it. In healthcare the focus should not be on why the costs are rising so quickly. In fact the rate of increases has generally slowed. What should be focused on is basic economics which dictate that it is impossible for healthcare costs to continue to grow faster than the overall economy for much longer.

SpinnerofTales -> RE: You Republicans are not the "real Americans." You are members of a lie-based evangelical paranoid cu (12/19/2009 12:12:03 PM)
quote: The bailouts were Dem policy more than Bush policy, he is continuing the policies on the war in Iraq because they were the right policies, and Afghanistan in the hope of getting lucky with Bin Laden, which in and of itself might be enough to secure a 2d term. Add Gitmo and the trials in NY to the radical list as well. Therefore I don't deride Obama for the same things. Healthcare reform is a joke, but it will get passed. The best thing about it is that it will give plenty of soundbites on his broken campaign promises for transparency and bipartisanship. He thinks he is being politically smart by letting Reid and Pelosi carry the torch, but the public isnt fooled that easily. They know its his bill, and he will be blamed for it. In healthcare the focus should not be on why the costs are rising so quickly. In fact the rate of increases has generally slowed. What should be focused on is basic economics which dictate that it is impossible for healthcare costs to continue to grow faster than the overall economy for much longer. ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy So so far we have climate control and health care that you don't like. Isn't that a long step to "communism"?

Sanity -> RE: You Republicans are not the "real Americans." You are members of a lie-based evangelical paranoi (12/19/2009 12:24:41 PM)
Your wailing and weeping and gnashing of teeth act would be far more persuasive if you weren't constantly in the habit of launching personal attacks, Spinner. As things stand however your righteous indignation shtick merely serves as comedic relief. quote: ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales Because criticizing someone's political ideas, no matter how harshly is one thing. Making fun of someone's physical disabilities is another. If you ever could stop feeling so sorry for yourself for being picked upon, you might grow up enough to realize that. The fact that you can't tell the difference is just another demonstration why you're words, thoughts and world view are detestable and deserve to be treated like the unmitigated trash that all can see it to be.

popeye1250 -> RE: You Republicans are not the "real Americans." You are members of a lie-based evangelical paranoid cu (12/19/2009 12:25:17 PM)
Brain, you should quit while you're behind.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: You Republicans are not the "real Americans." You are members of a lie-based evangelical paranoid cu (12/19/2009 12:26:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales quote: The bailouts were Dem policy more than Bush policy, he is continuing the policies on the war in Iraq because they were the right policies, and Afghanistan in the hope of getting lucky with Bin Laden, which in and of itself might be enough to secure a 2d term. Add Gitmo and the trials in NY to the radical list as well. Therefore I don't deride Obama for the same things. Healthcare reform is a joke, but it will get passed. The best thing about it is that it will give plenty of soundbites on his broken campaign promises for transparency and bipartisanship. He thinks he is being politically smart by letting Reid and Pelosi carry the torch, but the public isnt fooled that easily. They know its his bill, and he will be blamed for it. In healthcare the focus should not be on why the costs are rising so quickly. In fact the rate of increases has generally slowed. What should be focused on is basic economics which dictate that it is impossible for healthcare costs to continue to grow faster than the overall economy for much longer. ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy So so far we have climate control and health care that you don't like. Isn't that a long step to "communism"? So far in this thread maybe. The bailouts, the "stimulus package", the continuation of governance by pork despite his pledge otherwise, the control of the auto industry and the financial industry. Socialism at its finest, and not a long step from communism at all.

pahunkboy -> RE: You Republicans are not the "real Americans." You are members of a lie-based evangelical paranoi (12/19/2009 1:17:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: servantforuse Brain has tunnel vision. Give him 10 to 20 years out in the real world and his mind will open up maybe a little bit. That works.

SpinnerofTales -> RE: You Republicans are not the "real Americans." You are members of a lie-based evangelical paranoid cu (12/19/2009 1:43:47 PM)
quote: So far in this thread maybe. The bailouts, the "stimulus package", the continuation of governance by pork despite his pledge otherwise, the control of the auto industry and the financial industry. Socialism at its finest, and not a long step from communism at all. ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy I diagree. Whether you like it or not, the bailouts were a bipartisan effort. Stimulus packages are not new, and in fact have no basic property to change our form of government. As for control of the banking industry and the auto industry, I see very little control other than cosmetic move or two. We're not heading to socialism. We're not even heading very far to the left. That's the problem.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: You Republicans are not the "real Americans." You are members of a lie-based evangelical paranoid cu (12/19/2009 2:10:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales quote: So far in this thread maybe. The bailouts, the "stimulus package", the continuation of governance by pork despite his pledge otherwise, the control of the auto industry and the financial industry. Socialism at its finest, and not a long step from communism at all. ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy Stimulus packages are not new, and in fact have no basic property to change our form of government. As for control of the banking industry and the auto industry, I see very little control other than cosmetic move or two. We're not heading to socialism. We're not even heading very far to the left. That's the problem. Obviously we are never going to agree, and hopefully Blowbama will be gone before I have a chance to be proven right.

SpinnerofTales -> RE: You Republicans are not the "real Americans." You are members of a lie-based evangelical paranoid cu (12/19/2009 2:40:02 PM)
quote: Obviously we are never going to agree, and hopefully Blowbama will be gone before I have a chance to be proven right. ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy Just out of curiosity, what would have to happen for you not to spend the next eight years after Obama telling tales of how we "escaped communism by the skin of our teeth?" Under what circumstances would you say "He was a president, better than some, worse than others and now we have a new president?" Just checking to see if there's anything that will change the rhetoric to come.

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