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RE: Anybody else have this reaction? - 3/19/2006 10:19:23 PM

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Dare you to take oxycontin's for 10 days straight and then completely stop. Dare you to take any good opiate for 10 days straight. Heck go on and even try tyelonl 3's as lousy as they are. You could try it with any med from the benzo family too. Why not, you'd only end up sick and miserable and wishing you had bitten your tongue.

Done it. I took 7.5 mg tabs 2-3X for about two weeks after a broken leg. Had a bit of trouble getting to sleep the first night but no other negative effects.

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RE: Anybody else have this reaction? - 3/19/2006 10:24:45 PM

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Dare you to take oxycontin's for 10 days straight and then completely stop. Dare you to take any good opiate for 10 days straight. Heck go on and even try tyelonl 3's as lousy as they are. You could try it with any med from the benzo family too. Why not, you'd only end up sick and miserable and wishing you had bitten your tongue.

I have also done it. I took Percs for almost three months straight when I broke My leg, followed up by another month's stint within the year. I can still take them or leave them. They tell Me crack is extremely addictive too. I hated it. I thought it was a stupid waste of the guy's money. I do not get addicted to drugs, alcohol or gambling.

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RE: Anybody else have this reaction? - 3/20/2006 7:01:04 AM

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Addiction is a property of the person, not the medication. Addiction occurs most often when some one misuses an opiod or misuses it to acheive the euphoric side effect.

you must be very limited in your drug knowledge. Addiction occurs very easily and at times has nothing to do with the person using it. That one statement had me stop reading your entire post and put it up to some one else talking out their butt. Especially, especially when you mentioned "opiod" as the drug in the sentence.

Dare you to take oxycontin's for 10 days straight and then completely stop. Dare you to take any good opiate for 10 days straight. Heck go on and even try tyelonl 3's as lousy as they are. You could try it with any med from the benzo family too. Why not, you'd only end up sick and miserable and wishing you had bitten your tongue.

Dear Riotgirl:
No, my dear, I am not limited at all in my knowledge of drugs. I am certified in Palliative Medicine and hold many other certs in pain control and teach both to medical students, nursing students and healthcare providers.

You are correct that you cannot/should not abruptly stop any opioid after taking them for 5-8+ days in a row. That is called physical dependence and is a property of the drug once again. Physical dependence simply means that ones body gets used to having that drug in their system and abrupt cesation of the medication will cause withdrawl symptoms. One should taper off opiods in order to avoid this, if they are taking them regularly for a given period of time.

Have you ever been on Prednisone ? Have you ever noticed that when the MD gives you a steroid for a skin rash, allergy or something else, it comes in a tapering pack? Or if you are on them long term, they cut your dose down slowly? Well, that is because prednisone causes physical dependence too. Many drugs share this property, not just opioids. From things as simple as laxitives to antidepressants to opiods.

So, no addiction does not occur very easily at all, in the person with a non addictive personality, altho it does happen it is not the norm. Here are a few references for you, from documented experts.

http://www.painlaw.org/opioids.html

http://www.cpmission.com/main/debunk.html

http://www.aacpi.wisc.edu/images/Myths_Pain.pdf

As for a personal experience: I broke my arm in December : In the hospital I was on IV Morphine, on discharge I was put on Fentynal patches with liquid morphine for the pain, after four weeks I was put on percocet, as the pain improved I cut my dose down. This was over the period of two months. I ingest opioids every three hours most every day. I am not addicted, had no withdrawl, but am well aware if I had stopped taking all medicine abruptly, I would have had some pretty severe, muscle pain, nausea/vomiting, etc. That does not make me an addict, nor anyone else. I have no desire to take them again, unless I have a pain issue.

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RE: Anybody else have this reaction? - 3/20/2006 7:11:15 AM

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edited due to duplication.. damn I hate quoting.

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RE: Anybody else have this reaction? - 3/20/2006 7:57:53 AM

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There is this thing called PHYSICAL ADDICTION, like when your body feels like crap if you havent taken your dose. Oxy's from what i hear are the shortest span when it comes to your body depending on them. Percs i have no clue as i've never done em that long. But in general optiates take about a week to 2 weeks for your body to depend on them. Its a pretty pain in the ass situation.

Aside from physiucal addiction you have to worry about the come down. Different things different reactions. i know xanax sky rocketed my depression for about 2 days. Just watch yourself and if and when you stop taking them... and you notice you arent up to speed physically or mentally keep in mind.If you do start to depend on them.. wait atleast 7 days to take them again, otherwise you put yourself back at the begining.

Nope, there is a thing called physical dependence, as I said. If taken properly and as prescribed the symptoms mentioned above will not occur. If you gobble up all your medicine and are not taking it properly or if you make a decision to just toss them out after having been on them for a while, then certainly you will go thru some sort of withdrawl symptoms. this DOES NOT make you an addict. Not Physically, pshycologically or anything else.

Now to get to the part about waiting 7 days if you aren't feeling up to speed mentally... ummmm.. we are taking pain medicine here. Pain medicine should never be resumed to get you up to snuff mentally.

" ohh gee, I'm not feeling to great today, a little dull and tired, lemme take a few percocets to get me going, it's been seven days so all is cool"

I think this illustrates my point about property of the drug vs. property of the person very clearly.

Pain medicine should be taken for pain and pain only, if you are seeking it or taking it for reasons other than pain, you may have a lil problem.

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RE: Anybody else have this reaction? - 3/20/2006 8:16:49 AM

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Analgesics for pain control and good natural food with vitimen and/or mineral boosters if necessary (natural ones are best..hate the synthetics) as well as positive meditations (short ones are fine) daily and you are well on the way to recovery as well as feeling great even if you still have residual pain or physical limitations due to illness and/or injury.

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RE: Anybody else have this reaction? - 3/20/2006 9:39:19 PM

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I have quite a bit of info on the use of antidepressants in chronic pain. If you would like me to share, feel free to e mail me. BTW, controlled studies actually disprove their efficacy in chronic pain, unless used as adjunctively with analgesics, even then it's questionable.
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So this is actually real? i have heard rumblings about this sort of treatment but always blew it off as quackery. Since you are higly educated in this, in the nutshell version, is there any reason to believe these treatments are a valid consideration? maybe the better question is to what degree can one expect this treatment to work if at all?

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RE: Anybody else have this reaction? - 3/20/2006 10:11:50 PM

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Tricyclic antidepressants such as Tofrinil, Pamelor and Desipramine have been used for many years for the treatment of "burining pain" associated with nueropathy and migrane headaches. They usually require adjunctive analgesics to get adequate pain control.. And may require adding of antiepiliptics such as Nuerontin. Antidepressants have not been conclusively shown to have any major effect on chronic pain such as , back pain, cancer pain, severe arthritic pain, etc.

The newer antidepressants such as Zoloft ,referenced by truesub, are considered to need more research and studies, because to date the studies have been inconclusive.

A majority of Palliative Physicians are currently using Methadone for the treatment of nueropathic pain vs the Tricyclics and antiepiliptics.
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RE: Anybody else have this reaction? - 3/21/2006 11:21:34 AM

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Tricyclic antidepressants such as Tofrinil, Pamelor and Desipramine have been used for many years for the treatment of "burining pain" associated with nueropathy and migrane headaches. They usually require adjunctive analgesics to get adequate pain control.. And may require adding of antiepiliptics such as Nuerontin. Antidepressants have not been conclusively shown to have any major effect on chronic pain such as , back pain, cancer pain, severe arthritic pain, etc.

The newer antidepressants such as Zoloft ,referenced by truesub, are considered to need more research and studies, because to date the studies have been inconclusive.

A majority of Palliative Physicians are currently using Methadone for the treatment of nueropathic pain vs the Tricyclics and antiepiliptics.
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thats really interesting. i always wrote it off as docs playing games because i have talked with so many people that it has been tried on unsuccessfully.

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