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Arrogance -> RE: Saudis to Kill TV Advice Show Host for Sorcery (12/21/2009 11:33:17 PM)

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But but but... Islam is a religion of peace.


Just like Christianity..

Oh fuck!



Too bad your Christianity comment is ancient history, while Islam hasnt evovled since Mohammed peddled the virgins for martyrs bullshit.


Hardly ancient. Anti-abortion terrorists and faith-based terrorism in Ireland would say otherwise.

And...

“The ink of the scholar is more sacred than the blood of the martyr”- Mohammed. 

I'm not a proponent of ANY religion, but the blood isn't really dry on either set of hands.



Its a helluva lot drier away from Islam.


I'll accept that as a concession.




willbeurdaddy -> RE: Saudis to Kill TV Advice Show Host for Sorcery (12/21/2009 11:44:10 PM)


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But but but... Islam is a religion of peace.


Just like Christianity..

Oh fuck!



Too bad your Christianity comment is ancient history, while Islam hasnt evovled since Mohammed peddled the virgins for martyrs bullshit.


Hardly ancient. Anti-abortion terrorists and faith-based terrorism in Ireland would say otherwise.

And...

“The ink of the scholar is more sacred than the blood of the martyr”- Mohammed. 

I'm not a proponent of ANY religion, but the blood isn't really dry on either set of hands.



Its a helluva lot drier away from Islam.


I'll accept that as a concession.



you can imagine anything you want. It was anything but.




Aneirin -> RE: Saudis to Kill TV Advice Show Host for Sorcery (12/22/2009 2:55:39 AM)

Islam, an offshoot of Christianity, is not the danger to the western world, it is a benign religion, where muslims, actually try to follow the moral code set down in their holy book, the koran, unlike many who call themselves Christian. But despite their belief, they are just people, just like the rest of us. Now of course they have problems, just like us, they have inter belief interpretational conflicts, the battles between the different sects, the shia and the sunni being two examples, but on the whole, the moslems just want to get on with life, just like the rest of us, as after all, they are just people. My understanding of Islam, where it is in history, well, it being an offshoot of christianity, something 600ad, it is behind christianity, by 600 years, so what we see, might be the barbarism of christianity, 600 years ago, what was christianity like then, a theocracy, with wars started over religion, and people tortured and killed because of failing to tow the theocratical line, the so called witches and heretics, which basically amounted to an absolute power over life and death by a corrupt minority. Six hundred years on, Christianity has lost it's grip on people, no longer does it threaten and kill to maintain discipline amongst the ranks, maybe this is what Islam will become, but like Christianity, it has got to be allowed to run it's natural course, people, the believers will decide for themselves.

But what of the militant muslim now, those that bomb and kill in the name of their religion, well, they are not the majority, that is for sure, perhaps even a very small percentage of hot heads, and anger merchants, perhaps even people with chips on their shoulders, looking for an outlet for their personal anger at the world around them, they are in a muslim culture, so hey fight in the name of god a good enough reason and a convenient reason, but stripped of their fanatical faith, what's underneath, but a maladjusted person, perhaps a potential criminal, the likes we know of world wide of every faith, or no faith. But what we see of the Islamic world, is largely the negative side, as it suits those with agendas on our side of the fence, they love these fanatics in Islamic countries, for they have a reason to see threat, arm up and so called keep the peace. Interestingly, the fanatics on our side of the fence are not loved as much, but with religion, there are always fanatics, and Christianity is steeped in a fanatical past, one just has to examine history to see that, kings didn't rule, the church did.

Islam, is a culture of beauty and science, take the time to look at their past achievements, 1001 inventions, a recent exhibition listed all the things we in our western world take for granted, which came from Islam, our numeral system, much of our mathematical theorem and a history which is lost to the west, the remnants of the Alexandria library, might be in Africa, recent discoveries in Timbuktu, but when Baghdad was the centre of the Islamic empire, scholars collected what remained from the Greeks, and there developed it, we owe Islam a lot, lets not take the bad and use it as a reason to hate, as it is the actions of an extreme minority that are ruining it for the majority, hey, just like over here.

Maybe it is time to learn about yet another offshoot of Christianity, for they have much for us to learn, and perhaps together, we can both fight the common enemy, the fanatic in all our midsts.

But regards the OP, what is happening, draws parallels with medieval Christian Europe, very difficult to condemn, when Christianity did it too, and on a large scale, the power of theocracy again.

Oh, before Islam came to the arabs, they were largely heathen, pagans, maybe even christianity is a disease we the world could have done without, but I suppose pagans would argue and fight too, the reality of it all, is religion is a vehicle for the maladjusted to rise quickly to power and there rule with an iron fist.




Sanity -> RE: Saudis to Kill TV Advice Show Host for Sorcery (12/22/2009 3:26:44 AM)


You're not guessing, you read my posts, and you can't resist taking these childish pot shots.

You three are unbelievably immature. Amusing, sure...


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I'm guessing the discussion's been derailed in the direction of claiming that this isn't that big of a deal because atheist governments like China and the Soviet Union were and are much worse.

If that's true, it's an excellent point. Obviously there's no problem here after all. Someone else did it first.





Arpig -> RE: Saudis to Kill TV Advice Show Host for Sorcery (12/22/2009 7:29:51 AM)

FR~
So the point here si that they execute people for sorcery.....isn't that really just splitting hairs. To some of us that is only slightly more archaic than executing people for anything else.




LadyEllen -> RE: Saudis to Kill TV Advice Show Host for Sorcery (12/22/2009 8:57:49 AM)

How amusing that some ascribe the benign presence of modern Christianity to the very nature of Christianity itself, whilst condemning another religion they know even less about as being inherently evil and wrong.

Make no mistake, without the castration it suffered through the renaissance and the enlightenment periods and since, Christianity would be no different today than it was for its first thousand years or so in Europe, a vicious, jealous, covetous and unholy justification for every sort of ill and violence available to it in its progress to total domination.

The really amusing part is that it was Islam that maintained and developed the science and learning of the ancient world, that Christianity had suppressed with fire and sword for centuries, and it was from that source that the renaissance and subsequent enlightenment sprang, all the way down to our modern world. Without it, we'd likely be suicide bombing Muslims and fleeing Muslim troops right now and vilified as Muslism are today by some.

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EbonyWood -> RE: Saudis to Kill TV Advice Show Host for Sorcery (12/22/2009 9:12:42 AM)

Who has read this thread title and wished some of our TV hosts were over there?
 
C'mon...




willbeurdaddy -> RE: Saudis to Kill TV Advice Show Host for Sorcery (12/22/2009 9:26:26 AM)


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How amusing that some ascribe the benign presence of modern Christianity to the very nature of Christianity itself, whilst condemning another religion they know even less about as being inherently evil and wrong.

Make no mistake, without the castration it suffered through the renaissance and the enlightenment periods and since, Christianity would be no different today than it was for its first thousand years or so in Europe, a vicious, jealous, covetous and unholy justification for every sort of ill and violence available to it in its progress to total domination.

The really amusing part is that it was Islam that maintained and developed the science and learning of the ancient world, that Christianity had suppressed with fire and sword for centuries, and it was from that source that the renaissance and subsequent enlightenment sprang, all the way down to our modern world. Without it, we'd likely be suicide bombing Muslims and fleeing Muslim troops right now and vilified as Muslism are today by some.

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You have it backwards. It is not ascribing the current benign presence of Christianity to its roots. Everyone recognizes the atrocities committed in the name of Christ. the point is that it IS different today. Islam (as practiced by the extremists who have at least the implicit support of the moderates) is not, it is the same barbaric moral code it always was.




LadyEllen -> RE: Saudis to Kill TV Advice Show Host for Sorcery (12/22/2009 9:36:39 AM)

And it is different only because of what we took from the Islamic scholars who maintained our heritage and passed it back to us when we grew up.

Perhaps there is a lesson in there somewhere; one might sum it up as "hearts and minds" perhaps, although I appreciate this approach requires not trampling all over Muslims at every opportunity and therefore may not be quite so satisfying to some.

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ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Saudis to Kill TV Advice Show Host for Sorcery (12/22/2009 9:38:46 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

How amusing that some ascribe the benign presence of modern Christianity to the very nature of Christianity itself, whilst condemning another religion they know even less about as being inherently evil and wrong.

Make no mistake, without the castration it suffered through the renaissance and the enlightenment periods and since, Christianity would be no different today than it was for its first thousand years or so in Europe, a vicious, jealous, covetous and unholy justification for every sort of ill and violence available to it in its progress to total domination.

The really amusing part is that it was Islam that maintained and developed the science and learning of the ancient world, that Christianity had suppressed with fire and sword for centuries, and it was from that source that the renaissance and subsequent enlightenment sprang, all the way down to our modern world. Without it, we'd likely be suicide bombing Muslims and fleeing Muslim troops right now and vilified as Muslism are today by some.


Exactly. A religion is a religion is a religion. I see no difference between one religious fundamentalist and any other religious fundamentalist. I said in another thread that the Christian Taliban here in the United States are the exact same people who used to burn women at the stake for having too many cats; they're also the exact same people who are slicing people's heads off in Saudi Arabia for telling fortunes.

No difference. The exact same people.




willbeurdaddy -> RE: Saudis to Kill TV Advice Show Host for Sorcery (12/22/2009 9:44:59 AM)


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ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

How amusing that some ascribe the benign presence of modern Christianity to the very nature of Christianity itself, whilst condemning another religion they know even less about as being inherently evil and wrong.

Make no mistake, without the castration it suffered through the renaissance and the enlightenment periods and since, Christianity would be no different today than it was for its first thousand years or so in Europe, a vicious, jealous, covetous and unholy justification for every sort of ill and violence available to it in its progress to total domination.

The really amusing part is that it was Islam that maintained and developed the science and learning of the ancient world, that Christianity had suppressed with fire and sword for centuries, and it was from that source that the renaissance and subsequent enlightenment sprang, all the way down to our modern world. Without it, we'd likely be suicide bombing Muslims and fleeing Muslim troops right now and vilified as Muslism are today by some.


Exactly. A religion is a religion is a religion. I see no difference between one religious fundamentalist and any other religious fundamentalist. I said in another thread that the Christian Taliban here in the United States are the exact same people who used to burn women at the stake for having too many cats; they're also the exact same people who are slicing people's heads off in Saudi Arabia for telling fortunes.

No difference. The exact same people.



When the Christian Taliban kills 3000 people who committed the sin of showing up for work, get back to me.




LadyEllen -> RE: Saudis to Kill TV Advice Show Host for Sorcery (12/22/2009 9:47:32 AM)

I wonder what the population of that Cathar town might have been? Could easily have been in the thousands. You know, that one where the Christian Taliban couldnt tell the Cathars from the townspeople and killed the lot as God would sort them out?

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tsatske -> RE: Saudis to Kill TV Advice Show Host for Sorcery (12/22/2009 9:53:41 AM)


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FR~ So the point here si that they execute people for sorcery.....isn't that really just splitting hairs. To some of us that is only slightly more archaic than executing people for anything else.


Mark Twain said, any society that truly believed in socery would execute people for it, and that it is silly to believe ourselves supperior when we excute for other crimes, just because we no longer believe in socery makes us not that much more advanced.
Mark Twain was a pretty smart man.




hlen5 -> RE: Saudis to Kill TV Advice Show Host for Sorcery (12/22/2009 10:03:33 AM)

There are bad Muslims and there are bad Christians (and bad Jews, Bahais Zoorostrians{{and bad spellers!!}}etc.). No one can live up to the ideals of their religion, but the point is to try.

If there were no religion, wars would be fought for territory and or resources (and they are fought for such).

I wonder why the Saudis would execute such a person. Either way they look bad (and yes, I think it's a bad thing).





Musicmystery -> RE: Saudis to Kill TV Advice Show Host for Sorcery (12/22/2009 10:04:34 AM)


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Who has read this thread title and wished some of our TV hosts were over there?
 
C'mon...


None of our TV show hosts are at all magical.

Zzzzzzzz.......




popeye1250 -> RE: Saudis to Kill TV Advice Show Host for Sorcery (12/22/2009 10:56:36 AM)

"Sorcery?" Jeese, do they believe in "global warming" too?




Musicmystery -> RE: Saudis to Kill TV Advice Show Host for Sorcery (12/22/2009 11:02:58 AM)

Of course not. They sell oil.




NorthernGent -> RE: Saudis to Kill TV Advice Show Host for Sorcery (12/22/2009 11:53:29 AM)

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The Lebanese host of a popular TV show who gave callers advice and sometimes predicted the future was sentenced to death by a court in Saudi Arabia in November for sorcery. Human rights groups say these cases are on the rise in the strictly religious country and birthplace of Islam.

Sorcery Charges On The Rise In Saudi Arabia


On the plus side.....the Saudis (and the rest of the world) now know he can't predict the future...












Marc2b -> RE: Saudis to Kill TV Advice Show Host for Sorcery (12/22/2009 11:59:22 AM)

Nasty atheist states, nasty theocracies, it's all the same - humans using some sort of ideological bullshit to justify being nasty to other humans.




Musicmystery -> RE: Saudis to Kill TV Advice Show Host for Sorcery (12/22/2009 12:01:36 PM)


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The Lebanese host of a popular TV show who gave callers advice and sometimes predicted the future was sentenced to death by a court in Saudi Arabia in November for sorcery. Human rights groups say these cases are on the rise in the strictly religious country and birthplace of Islam.

Sorcery Charges On The Rise In Saudi Arabia


On the plus side.....the Saudis (and the rest of the world) now know he can't predict the future...


Good...then now they won't have to execute him.

Oh...wait a minute....

And there's the "logic" of theocracy.




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