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RE: Was that Plan B, or, like, Plan Z? - 12/26/2009 7:26:16 AM   
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Actually, I think that is what set him off. He had gotten on the wrong plane and fallen asleep. When he woke up and heard the pilot say they were getting ready to land in Detroit, he decided death was preferable.





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RE: Was that Plan B, or, like, Plan Z? - 12/26/2009 7:57:20 AM   
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ahh, getting a taste of how the right felt about the left during the Bush years, are we? 

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Yes I know, and I just feel so horribly about how you poor dears were treated. 

It must have been awful, with everyone always picking on you.




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RE: Was that Plan B, or, like, Plan Z? - 12/26/2009 7:31:49 PM   
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Maybe something good will come of this. Maybe, just maybe, President Obama will really start to use the words "war against terror".. So far he didn't want to hurt anyones feelings.

The whole term is bogus, and shouldn't have been used in the first place.  You don't declare war on a tactic.  You declare war on entities.

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RE: Was that Plan B, or, like, Plan Z? - 12/27/2009 7:08:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ok, and this is the way I heard it.  He tried to detonate the "bomb" as it was approaching Detroit, not over any waters.  The main chemical found was PETN, used by the military, and the source I heard it from said that would be consistent with al-quida.  His father (a Nigerian banker) reported him some number of months back as a radical and thats what landed him on a watch list.  But after investigation, the FBI determined that he was not a major threat, so did not put him on a "no-fly" list.  According to what I heard though, they did know he boarded the plane.  Also, according to what I heard, Obama has no plans on directly addressing what is being called an attempted terrorist attack and is letting other officials handle it while he's on vacation.

All I can say to it all is....."hmmmmm"

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RE: Was that Plan B, or, like, Plan Z? - 12/27/2009 7:45:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		Janet Napolitano , head of homeland security, claimed that the system worked. If he got on an airplane with a bomb, it is obvious that it did not work. Obams's lax attitude does not suprise me at all. As I have mentioned in other posts, he does not appear to take this war on terror seriously.

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RE: Was that Plan B, or, like, Plan Z? - 12/27/2009 7:50:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		Napolitono also claims that people who believe in the Constitution, secure borders, gun ownership, free speech not politically correct, and states rights are more of a terrorist threat than Islamic extremists or illegal aliens who may resort to terrorism like the liberals did in the 1960's.

She's a nut case. http://babelishere.webs.com/liberals.html


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RE: Was that Plan B, or, like, Plan Z? - 12/27/2009 8:39:45 AM   
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A war on terror would be a war on an entity, or rather, entities, wouldn't it. All terrorists in fact. To include individuals, groups (large or small) and even the nations who support them.

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Maybe something good will come of this. Maybe, just maybe, President Obama will really start to use the words "war against terror".. So far he didn't want to hurt anyones feelings.

The whole term is bogus, and shouldn't have been used in the first place.  You don't declare war on a tactic.  You declare war on entities.



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RE: Was that Plan B, or, like, Plan Z? - 12/27/2009 9:56:12 AM   
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Snarky note - the injured person was taken to medical facilities in Ann Arbor... looks like Detroit may be the only metropolitan center in the US without a medical facility trusted enough to handle this.

If the Gitmo North had been located in Michigan they would have had better federal investment for all the medical centres they need but around mid December it was stated the prison would be located in another state. Perhaps the terrorist was unaware the proposal had been moved to Illinois or the planning was too far advanced to change?

I always wonder about the motive and specific target choice. Even crazy people have a justification in their head for the exact way they do things.

On the other hand it could just be coincidence and perhaps other more high profile targets were attempted but they couldn’t make them work or got thwarted by security.


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RE: Was that Plan B, or, like, Plan Z? - 12/27/2009 10:00:54 AM   
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A war on terror would be a war on an entity, or rather, entities, wouldn't it. All terrorists in fact. To include individuals, groups (large or small) and even the nations who support them.

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Maybe something good will come of this. Maybe, just maybe, President Obama will really start to use the words "war against terror".. So far he didn't want to hurt anyones feelings.

The whole term is bogus, and shouldn't have been used in the first place.  You don't declare war on a tactic.  You declare war on entities.




The whole "you dont declare war on a tactic" semantic bullshit was coined to divert attention from the extreme measures that will eventually be taken if we are going to preserve democracy. Everyone knows exactly what the "war on terror" means, and it doesnt refer to declaring war on a tactic.

In fact if it were honestly stated it would be "war on the fucking radical islamists who would cut your fucking sisters head off if she isnt wearing a fucking burka and those that suport them, including those that support them by their fucking silence".

Kinda has a ring to it, but then "man caused disaster" rolls off the tongue too, doesnt it.

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RE: Was that Plan B, or, like, Plan Z? - 12/27/2009 10:58:23 AM   
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Maybe something good will come of this. Maybe, just maybe, President Obama will really start to use the words "war against terror".. So far he didn't want to hurt anyones feelings.


LOLOLOLOFUCKING L

So if he uses the words 'war against terror' like Bush did, that is going to strike shock and awe in the hearts and minds of the terrorists, mission accomplished like Bush or what?

Who gives a fuck what the rhetoric is? Typing caps and pontificating announcements to be taken as fact because you feel you are the clearminded and obviously rightly positioned political acumenist, just dont make it so for anyone, either in this mileu or on the world stage.

But yeah, think of the chaos it would cause..........LOLOLOFUCKING L


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RE: Was that Plan B, or, like, Plan Z? - 12/27/2009 11:01:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: servantforuse Obams's lax attitude does not suprise me at all. As I have mentioned in other posts, he does not appear to take this war on terror seriously.


How do you think he should be responding?


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RE: Was that Plan B, or, like, Plan Z? - 12/27/2009 11:04:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: servantforuse Obams's lax attitude does not suprise me at all. As I have mentioned in other posts, he does not appear to take this war on terror seriously.


How do you think he should be responding?




Inviting the passenger who jumped this guy to the White House for a beer?  (I don't care what the legal drinking age is in DC)

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RE: Was that Plan B, or, like, Plan Z? - 12/27/2009 11:09:13 AM   
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Ask the guy in the nicest way possible to pretty please tell us who set him up to this so we can, um... well, do nothing I suppose. Maybe ask them to stop doing that? And apologize to them while bowing deeply, then tell them that we're fully aware that its all our fault in the first place.

And then give them some money. Lots of it.


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ORIGINAL: servantforuse Obams's lax attitude does not suprise me at all. As I have mentioned in other posts, he does not appear to take this war on terror seriously.


How do you think he should be responding?



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RE: Was that Plan B, or, like, Plan Z? - 12/27/2009 12:27:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think, since this 'terrorist' boarded the plane in Africa, and then that plane laid over in Amsterdam (and technically, if you think of it, his most intense boarding search would be in Africa...I doubt they would rigorously put him thru the screening process in Amsterdam as a lay over, but thats just my assumption), that Obama should go about it however he should go about it, taking into account the international laws, that all planes, regardless of what countries are involved in lay-overs or not....all planes destined to go to the U.S. should go through more than a metal dectector.  If the plane stops for a lay over in another country, or even in the same country...but any time the plane touches ground and the passengers get off, they should go thru the screening process again.

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RE: Was that Plan B, or, like, Plan Z? - 12/27/2009 12:44:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		The information is that he went through a second screening in Amsterdam.

The real question is how can you have a 'no fly list' and not a 'person of interest list' because this person was apparently known to US authorities but not on the 'no fly list' as the evidence against him wasn't substantial enough. If he is suspected by authorities the information should be shared so that such people who may have tenuous terrorist links get a more rigorous search. There are many systematic failings in this event that will ensure more infringement of people's civil rights but with no greater security. i.e. people are focussing on airport security detection when he could have easily been identified as a possible threat that needs more attention by name checks alone.


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RE: Was that Plan B, or, like, Plan Z? - 12/27/2009 2:48:46 PM   
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How do you think he should be responding?


Bomb someplace.
Not sure where, Nigeria, Somalia, Yemen...just someplace with a lot of brown people. Just bomb them, and bomb them again. We have been bombing Afghanistan daily for 8 years, and we are getting closer and closer to seeing what could possibly be a light at the end of the tunnel. Oh, did I mention Nigeria has oil? Just sayin'.

Then Obama can strut across a aircraft carrier wearing a Halloween costume- er, flight suit, and declare Mission Accomplished, and Peggy Noonan can have one of her shuttering orgasms.

Worked last time.

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RE: Was that Plan B, or, like, Plan Z? - 12/27/2009 4:04:21 PM   
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Napolitono also claims that people who believe in the Constitution, secure borders, gun ownership, free speech not politically correct, and states rights are more of a terrorist threat than Islamic extremists or illegal aliens who may resort to terrorism like the liberals did in the 1960's.

She's a nut case. http://babelishere.webs.com/liberals.html




Sheesh! Who the fuck does she think she's *working for* anyway?
I'm not that familiar with her just that she was governor of Arizona or New Mexico I think.
Is it at all possable to get people in the federal govt. who do not have their own personal political agendas? You know like, "just do the fuckin' job!"

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RE: Was that Plan B, or, like, Plan Z? - 12/27/2009 4:21:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: servantforuse Obams's lax attitude does not suprise me at all. As I have mentioned in other posts, he does not appear to take this war on terror seriously.


How do you think he should be responding?



How about invading two or three countries? 

Seriously, he hasn't responded yet.  Nor will he do so in the near future.  Keep in mind that even Bush, trigger-happy as he was, gave both Afghanistan and Iraq some time before he moved on them, and Obama is more deliberate than Bush.


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RE: Was that Plan B, or, like, Plan Z? - 12/27/2009 5:12:43 PM   
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How about invading two or three countries?

Well, one way for him to get out of this mess would be to gin up some fervor over a more pressing threat at home, like, oh I don't know, maybe people who cling to their guns and the "Constitushun," and invade the United States instead.



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