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Jeffff -> RE: Is everyone anal ? (12/26/2009 3:21:16 PM)

But my Dr. charges $125 for an office visit!

I can get that, laid AND dinner if I work it right!


Jeffwey




MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Is everyone anal ? (12/26/2009 3:56:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SomethingCatchy

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Honestly, the biggest problem (for those who aren't into the "hurts so good" thing) is usually the initial stages of anal because your bottom simply isn't ready.  The solution to that, is to TRAIN your bottom...


These are people who are old enough, and have been around enough, to know about anal training. Apparently their dislike goes deeper than the pain if they're saying outright 'I don't like it.'

I don't like it myself, and it doesn't hurt me. I get nothing out of it, it's not humiliating, and I get very bored since it's not sexually exciting. It doesn't matter if I'm turned on or not.




1)  For those that DON'T find it painful, but just don't like it, then they do it for their Top's pleasure.

2)  For those that DO find it painful, and would like to potentially enjoy/tolerate it (for themselves or their Top), then they've been given some tips to help do so.

3)  Age and past experience do not, ipso facto, equate to knowlege of "anal training".  Many I know PERSONALLY could neither tolerate or enjoy it previously (post alleged "knowlege and training" with a past partner), only to find (following what was outlined in my post) they now both love and desire it; though I'm sure there are exceptions.  As such, your premise that people are "old enough" and have been "around enough" to know about anal training is incorrect.  Example:  One I PERSONALLY know absolutely could not even tolerate it in EIGHT YEARS with her priior Master.  In approximately ONE MONTH with her current Master, she's become quite the anal slut!!!  Your premise is wrong.

4)  If "anal" doesn't flip your biscuit and there's no desire to change that, then don't... there are enough people out there to find a compatible partner.  But for those that WANT to learn, this is a public forum... and my post offers a technique that works for those that are interested.





sunshinemiss -> RE: Is everyone anal ? (12/26/2009 4:28:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Psychonaut23

Historically it dates back to De Sade, who championed anal sex as the true act of the libertine.  With no possibility of procreation, and it's association with male sodomy, anal sex has long been a powerful taboo in Western culture.  And while the taboo of anal sex has been greatly eroded in the modern post-porn era, it still carries some weight.  Anal sex is one of the things a man is most likely to be denied in a vanilla relationship.

And the taboo is always fascinating.



Now that is a crock of nonsense... I am sure there are lots of people from lots of cultures who just plain
ENJOY it.




LafayetteLady -> RE: Is everyone anal ? (12/26/2009 4:41:06 PM)


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ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss

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ORIGINAL: Psychonaut23

Historically it dates back to De Sade, who championed anal sex as the true act of the libertine.  With no possibility of procreation, and it's association with male sodomy, anal sex has long been a powerful taboo in Western culture.  And while the taboo of anal sex has been greatly eroded in the modern post-porn era, it still carries some weight.  Anal sex is one of the things a man is most likely to be denied in a vanilla relationship.

And the taboo is always fascinating.



Now that is a crock of nonsense... I am sure there are lots of people from lots of cultures who just plain
ENJOY it.



From Wikipedia....

Ancient and non-Western cultures
The term "Greek love" has long been used to refer to the practice, and in modern times, "doing it the Greek way" is sometimes used as slang for anal sex. However, homosexual anal sex was far from a universally accepted practice in Ancient Greece. It was the target of jokes in surviving comedies; Aristophanes mockingly alludes to the practice, claiming that "Most citizens are europroktoi (wide-arsed) now."[45] While pedagogic pederasty was an essential element in the education of male youths, these relationships, at least in Athens and Sparta, were expected to steer clear of penetrative sex of any kind. There are very few works of pottery or other art that display anal sex between older men and boys, let alone with adult men. Most such works depict fondling or intercrural sex, which was not condemned for violating and feminizing the boys. Other sources make it clear that the practice was criticized as shameful,[46] and seen as a form of hubris.[47]


Two Roman males in a lupanar; Warren Cup, British MuseumIn later Roman age Greek poetry, anal sex became a common topos, represented as taking place with "eligible" youths: those who had attained the proper age but had not yet become adults. Seducing children into the practice was considered very shameful for the adult, and having such relations with a male who was no longer adolescent was considered more shameful for the young male than for the one mounting him. Greek courtesans, or hetaerae, are said to have frequently practiced heterosexual anal intercourse as a means of preventing pregnancy.[48] The acceptability of anal sex thus varied with the time-period and the location, as Ancient Greece spanned a long time and stretched over three continents and two major seas.

For a male citizen to take the passive (or receptive) role in anal intercourse was condemned in Rome as an act of impudicitia (immodesty or unchastity). Free men, however, frequently took the active role with a young slave, known as a catamite or puer delicatus. In fact the Romans thought of anal sex as something specifically "Greek," although Roman men often availed themselves of their own slaves or others in this way.[49]

In Japan, records (including detailed shunga) show that at least some men in relationships with other men did engage in penetrative anal intercourse.


Man and woman having anal sex. Ceramic, Moche Culture. 300 C.E. Larco Museum CollectionEvidence suggestive of widespread heterosexual anal intercourse in a pre-modern culture can be found in the erotic vases, or stirrup-spout pots, made by the Moche people of Peru; in a survey[50] of a collection of these pots, it was found that 31 percent of them depicted heterosexual anal intercourse, more by far than any other sex act. Moche pottery of this type belonged to the world of the dead, which was believed to be a reversal of life. Thus the reverse of common practices was often portrayed. The Larco Museum houses an Erotic Gallery in which this pottery is showcased.

The 19th century anthropologist Richard Francis Burton has theorized that there is a geographical Sotadic zone wherein penetrative intercourse between men is particularly prevalent and accepted; moreover he was one of the first writers to advance the premise that such an orientation is biologically determined.[51]

Western cultures
In many Western countries, anal sex has generally been taboo since the Middle Ages when heretical movements were sometimes attacked by accusations that their members practised anal sex among themselves. At that time the mainstream Christian clergy was not celibate, but the highest orders of some heretical sects were, leading to rumours that their celibacy was a sign of their attraction to members of the same sex. The term buggery originated in medieval Europe as an insult used to describe the rumoured same-sex sexual practices of the heretics from a sect originating in Bulgaria, where its followers were called bogomils; when they spread out of the country they were called buggres (from the ethnonym Bulgars). Another term for the practice, more archaic, is "pedicate" from the Latin pedicare, with the same meaning.[52]

The Renaissance poet Pietro Aretino advocated the practice in his Sonetti Lussuriosi (Lust Sonnets).[53]

While men who engaged in homosexual relationships were generally suspected of engaging in anal sex, many such individuals did not. Among these, in recent times, have been André Gide, who found it repulsive;[54] and Noel Coward, who had a horror of disease, and asserted when young that "I'd never do anything - well the disgusting thing they do - because I know I could get something wrong with me."[55]

History of Anal Sex

Funny I didn't notice a mention of the Marquis anywhere. In fact, during ancient Greek and Roman times, he wasn't even alive. Go figure.




LafayetteLady -> RE: Is everyone anal ? (12/26/2009 4:44:20 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MasterSlaveLA

One I PERSONALLY know absolutely could not even tolerate it in EIGHT YEARS with her priior Master.  In approximately ONE MONTH with her current Master, she's become quite the anal slut!!!  Your premise is wrong.



I think that a lot of that may have to do with the master. If someone can't be bothered to take the time to properly arouse and lubricate their partner, as well as work towards alleviating their fears and discomfort, it isn't ever going to work.

Granted there are many here (I'm among them) who don't necessarily need all that coaxing, but for those who do it is not simply an important part of the process it is a necessity. I bet if your friend were to engage in anal sex with the ex, although she might be able to "tolerate" it, she wouldn't enjoy it.




LadyAngelika -> RE: Is everyone anal ? (12/26/2009 4:48:39 PM)


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ORIGINAL: windchymes

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika



Most men aren't aware that their prostate can be reached anally and are reticicent for many reasons to try it, one absolutely being the learned opinion that it's a homosexual activity. But just as it is a learned opinion, it can be unlearned. Like everything, these things take time and communication.

- LA


Ohhhh, I don't know about that.  I'm sure every man who has bent over with his pants around his ankles while listening to the foreboding snap of a latex glove is well aware that their prostate can be reached anally. [:D]


You know what, reading back what I wrote, I actually didn't phrase it very well. And I'm going to blame it on the side effects of holiday cheer ;-)

What I should have said was "Most men I've met aren't aware that their prostate which is reached anally is the male G spot".

I also added "I've met" as I shouldn't generalise to all men based on the sample I've had.

- LA




Jeffff -> RE: Is everyone anal ? (12/26/2009 4:53:40 PM)

I think the difference's are, is it a finger or a strap on? Are your hands on my hips? Am I your bitch?

Once again, it goes to intent, not action.


Jeff




LadyAngelika -> RE: Is everyone anal ? (12/26/2009 4:54:38 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Jeffff
...a strap on? Are your hands on my hips? Am I your bitch?


Only if you beg really sweet Jeff ;-)

- LA




Jeffff -> RE: Is everyone anal ? (12/26/2009 4:56:35 PM)

LOL....:)


You won't want to hold your breath for that..:)


Jeff




windchymes -> RE: Is everyone anal ? (12/26/2009 5:19:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika


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ORIGINAL: windchymes

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika



Most men aren't aware that their prostate can be reached anally and are reticicent for many reasons to try it, one absolutely being the learned opinion that it's a homosexual activity. But just as it is a learned opinion, it can be unlearned. Like everything, these things take time and communication.

- LA


Ohhhh, I don't know about that.  I'm sure every man who has bent over with his pants around his ankles while listening to the foreboding snap of a latex glove is well aware that their prostate can be reached anally. [:D]


You know what, reading back what I wrote, I actually didn't phrase it very well. And I'm going to blame it on the side effects of holiday cheer ;-)

What I should have said was "Most men I've met aren't aware that their prostate which is reached anally is the male G spot".

I also added "I've met" as I shouldn't generalise to all men based on the sample I've had.

- LA


I knew what you meant, lol.  [:)]




ElectraGlide -> RE: Is everyone anal ? (12/26/2009 5:25:10 PM)

I keep hearing about Domination in this thread about anal sex. It had nothing to do about Domination to me, if she enjoyed it, I enjoyed being part of it. It was new heights, which was exciting to share in. If a partner wanted nothing to do with it, I would not even bother, it was a limit, and she would not enjoy it.




MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Is everyone anal ? (12/26/2009 5:49:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady


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ORIGINAL: MasterSlaveLA

One I PERSONALLY know absolutely could not even tolerate it in EIGHT YEARS with her priior Master.  In approximately ONE MONTH with her current Master, she's become quite the anal slut!!!  Your premise is wrong.



I think that a lot of that may have to do with the master. If someone can't be bothered to take the time to properly arouse and lubricate their partner, as well as work towards alleviating their fears and discomfort, it isn't ever going to work.



Yes, that's exactly my point. New Master... new and/or actual techniques.  Age and past experience do not, ipso facto, equate to knowlege of "anal training", as the other poster suggested.  I may, for example, know driving a car involves turning the wheel and stepping on the brake and accelerator, but that doesn't mean I know how to drive a race car.  Different "technique"... and one that'd "take the time" (as you'd stated) to learn... that is, if it was something I really wanted to learn.





zephyroftheNorth -> RE: Is everyone anal ? (12/26/2009 5:53:31 PM)

....retentive? No only some people are.




sunshinemiss -> RE: Is everyone anal ? (12/26/2009 6:15:08 PM)

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Man and woman having anal sex. Ceramic, Moche Culture. 300 C.E. Larco Museum CollectionEvidence suggestive of widespread heterosexual anal intercourse in a pre-modern culture can be found in the erotic vases, or stirrup-spout pots, made by the Moche people of Peru; in a survey[50] of a collection of these pots, it was found that 31 percent of them depicted heterosexual anal intercourse, more by far than any other sex act. Moche pottery of this type belonged to the world of the dead, which was believed to be a reversal of life. Thus the reverse of common practices was often portrayed. The Larco Museum houses an Erotic Gallery in which this pottery is showcased.


I have seen this stuff!  And it truly is amazing!  It might be true that I have a number of key chains depicting traditional Moche designs, but that is just rumor.   I might also have a book of the Moche pottery... that is not a rumor.  I bought it for the pichers.




QuirkyAnne -> RE: Is everyone anal ? (12/26/2009 8:52:22 PM)

Several reasons.  It's tighter and feels good for them, it's taboo, it's one more way for a woman to submit.  Having said that, yes, it can cause serious damage when there is insufficient lubrication and the goal is to treat it like a clown car and seeing how much stuff you can get in there and stretch it out, and even vigorous thrusting and having regular anal sex even with lube can cause problems (from what I understood from my doctor though, this would be more likely when anal sex was practiced as routine several times a week for several years though).

Anne




NihilusZero -> RE: Is everyone anal ? (12/26/2009 9:44:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Aswad

While I'm inclined to to agree with you, it's a factor. Akasha, I believe, commented on this in the femdom section, to a stack of indignant replies that somehow largely managed to fail to argue the point beyond jerking of knees, despite the volume of said stack. You mount a horse. The horse won't ensaddle you. Equivalently, you aren't encunted, enarsed or otherwise relegated to the passive mode. Conversely, if she is riding you, that relegates you to the passive, with her in control. Suck vs mouthfuck. And so forth.

So someone can get anally penetrated...but so long as they happen to be straddled atop the other partner while in the process ("mount" position), they're just fine on the side of dominance.

You realize how silly this gets, yes? It becomes little more than a twisting spiral down into the deepest recesses of what constitutes empowerment in the social constructs of our young species...all of which ends up being anthropomorphically subjective.

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ORIGINAL: Aswad

Of course, context matters, as I've noted elsewhere. I'm not closed to the idea of taking it up the rear, and rarely do a thing I haven't at least experimented with the other side of, though I'm fairly certain I'd prefer riding. I've also got a bit of a thing for feet, but my mindspace is one of physical intimacy on par with kissing or coddling, with a side order of consumption/hunger to it (nothing directs the mind quite so readily to ye olde dolcett, for some reason); there's no mental component of submission in it. Even so, the symbol has a default value, and it is the context that makes it something else.

If the context makes it something else then we're talking in circles. The entire premise of this sub-culture lies on the understanding on context making something "something else". Otherwise we may as well call every instance of spanking, slapping, flogging, cutting, etc. "abuse".

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ORIGINAL: Aswad

If you see a swastika, it's going to take context to avoid assuming it's associated with something Nazi-flavored.

Despite the fact that the symbol preceded early 1900s Germany in contextual use.

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ORIGINAL: Aswad

And when someone is penetrated, it's going to take a similar amount of context to reverse the associations of the roles.

True...but only in the sociological context of  a populace doing it. Whereas it doesn't take an individual who has no attachment to the social precedent any time at all to dismiss it as impertinent to their life or their relationship.

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ORIGINAL: Aswad

In short, while the default association of a symbol needn't be the right connotation in every context, that doesn't change the fact that there is such a default. For penetration, the connotation is still that of an active penetrator, and a passive or subdued vessel.

Such as the "default" word for this sort of thinking having already been defined as "stereotyping".




LadyAngelika -> RE: Is everyone anal ? (12/26/2009 9:56:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: NihilusZero

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ORIGINAL: Aswad

While I'm inclined to to agree with you, it's a factor. Akasha, I believe, commented on this in the femdom section, to a stack of indignant replies that somehow largely managed to fail to argue the point beyond jerking of knees, despite the volume of said stack. You mount a horse. The horse won't ensaddle you. Equivalently, you aren't encunted, enarsed or otherwise relegated to the passive mode. Conversely, if she is riding you, that relegates you to the passive, with her in control. Suck vs mouthfuck. And so forth.

So someone can get anally penetrated...but so long as they happen to be straddled atop the other partner while in the process ("mount" position), they're just fine on the side of dominance.

You realize how silly this gets, yes? It becomes little more than a twisting spiral down into the deepest recesses of what constitutes empowerment in the social constructs of our young species...all of which ends up being anthropomorphically subjective


Oh man! I missed this bit. The day I start listening to rules of what position I need to be in when being penetrated in order to retain my Dominant status is the day I won't be worthy of said Dominant status.

Have no doubt, I can be on all fours getting it doggy style and I'll still be in charge as it will be when I want and on my terms and at the rythm I choose ;-) Nobody is going to tell me how I shall receive my pleasure.

- LA




RealSub58 -> RE: Is everyone anal ? (12/26/2009 10:03:48 PM)

No I am not usually anal.
There are somethings I am anal about, I admit.
Does that mean I like to be in control of those few things occasionally?
Yes, anal/control over how I make my bed, brush my teeth, say my prayers......

Have a great day now.
Anal sex is de bomb.




Justme696 -> RE: Is everyone anal ? (12/27/2009 12:27:17 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

Am I your bitch?



Jeff



you wish




HisBestGirl -> RE: Is everyone anal ? (12/27/2009 2:47:30 AM)

A little off the subject, but my first time with anal, it hurt initially but turned out to be incredibly pleasurable; I actually came which I thought would never happen. And yet since then, every time we do it, it seems to be less pleasurable, hurt more. Odd.




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