RE: Obamacare sparking 10th Amendment rebellion, action in seven states

RE: Obamacare sparking 10th Amendment rebellion, action in seven states (Full Version)

All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion

Message

Termyn8or -> RE: Obamacare sparking 10th Amendment rebellion, action in seven states (12/27/2009 9:10:30 AM)
FR Horatio Bunce for President. I don't care if he's dead, he's way better than any possible choice offered today. T

Musicmystery -> RE: Obamacare sparking 10th Amendment rebellion, action in seven states (12/27/2009 9:39:15 AM)
Well, dead people do get elected. It's worth a try. Seems the VP pic will be important. Whom will he choose? When will he announce his choice?

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Obamacare sparking 10th Amendment rebellion, action in seven states (12/27/2009 9:55:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Well, dead people do get elected. It'll be a lot tougher with Acorn disabled.

gift4mistress -> RE: Obamacare sparking 10th Amendment rebellion, action in seven states (12/27/2009 10:00:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mefisto69 the republicants will shoot themselves in the arse if they pursue this Your right. They should be doing this after Obama signs this bill. All the poles show that the majority of people are against it. If Obama signs the bill; it will hurt his chances of getting elected again in the future.

ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Obamacare sparking 10th Amendment rebellion, action in seven states (12/27/2009 10:01:51 AM)
What was the name of the dead man who defeated John Ashcroft in the Senate race? I can't recall. Maybe we could run him - he's got a proven track record.

gift4mistress -> RE: Obamacare sparking 10th Amendment rebellion, action in seven states (12/27/2009 10:03:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery OK, look, guys.......... Barack Obama is a Constitutional Law scholar. Whatever this thing is, isn't, should be, shouldn't be, tries to do, fails to do...I'm certain it will pass constitutional scrutiny. I'm also certain Republicans will throw everything they can think of at it, true or false. It's what they've always done, it's what they're doing now, and it's what they'll do through November. You seem to think that Obama wrote this bill. He didn't!

pahunkboy -> RE: Obamacare sparking 10th Amendment rebellion, action in seven states (12/27/2009 5:47:32 PM)
the insurance companies wrote it

tazzygirl -> RE: Obamacare sparking 10th Amendment rebellion, action in seven states (12/27/2009 9:01:19 PM)
and thats why the insurance companies have spent over a million dollars .... your dollars... a day to fight this... all because they wrote it.

pahunkboy -> RE: Obamacare sparking 10th Amendment rebellion, action in seven states (12/27/2009 10:32:13 PM)
each revision give the ins companies MORE. If this were so good- they would simply expand medicare. There is a reason why they dont.

gift4mistress -> RE: Obamacare sparking 10th Amendment rebellion, action in seven states (12/27/2009 10:34:48 PM)
The insurance companies didn't write the bill. Senators and their staff being paid by pharmaceuticals and left interests wrote the bill.

Musicmystery -> RE: Obamacare sparking 10th Amendment rebellion, action in seven states (12/28/2009 7:50:20 AM)
quote: You seem to think that Obama wrote this bill. Where did you get that idea? He's rather publicly left it in the hands of Congress right from the start.

Moonhead -> RE: Obamacare sparking 10th Amendment rebellion, action in seven states (12/28/2009 8:29:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: You seem to think that Obama wrote this bill. Where did you get that idea? He's rather publicly left it in the hands of Congress right from the start. Which might have a lot to do with the fact that it seems to be a mish mash of compromises and half measures which won't achieve enough, and certainly won't stop insurers from hiking their prices and offering less medical care for the preniums.

pahunkboy -> RE: Obamacare sparking 10th Amendment rebellion, action in seven states (12/28/2009 8:40:47 AM)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5Y9X5ggxzA Senator Baucus drunk on c-span

popeye1250 -> RE: Obamacare sparking 10th Amendment rebellion, action in seven states (12/28/2009 11:23:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy The states do have to make a statement. Washington has run amuck. Leaving tho is not so cut and dry. Likely the fed will say- you are free to go- just pay your tab on the way out. Of course no state can actually pay its debt. On many levels- the govt is shackled by debt. A number of issues could tip the scale. Gun control comes to mind. Alaska and Texas might be able to survive with out the other states. When you send money to any govt - there is an overhead that can never be regained. States leaving is not a bad thing. It is more that the sum of the parts will be greater then the whole. All the world treaties could also be a impetus for some to leave. ..such as NAFTA, CAFTA, GATT, WTO and the like. PaHunk, agreed there, Nafta-Cafta has to go! The best thing to do about the healthcare plan is to let people "try it on" for a year or two and if it doesn't work, "The People" will be screaming about it.

Musicmystery -> RE: Obamacare sparking 10th Amendment rebellion, action in seven states (12/28/2009 11:35:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: You seem to think that Obama wrote this bill. Where did you get that idea? He's rather publicly left it in the hands of Congress right from the start. Which might have a lot to do with the fact that it seems to be a mish mash of compromises and half measures which won't achieve enough, and certainly won't stop insurers from hiking their prices and offering less medical care for the preniums. Yes, I'd have liked to see him take a leadership role. On the other hand, I think he's learned from the Clinton debacle. We'll see. I'm glad to see any progress at this point, but it's far, far less than I would like. The main problem, of course, is that the right way to do this, a single-payer approach, just isn't going to happen, and everyone knows that. So we're constructing a band-aid from the start.

luckydawg -> RE: Obamacare sparking 10th Amendment rebellion, action in seven states (12/28/2009 11:53:19 AM)
If Obama didn't write the bill or have much if anything to do with crafting it, why would his expertise in constituional law have any relevance as to whether or not the bill is constituional?

Musicmystery -> RE: Obamacare sparking 10th Amendment rebellion, action in seven states (12/28/2009 11:56:30 AM)
I'm going on the presumption that these guys talk to each other.

Moonhead -> RE: Obamacare sparking 10th Amendment rebellion, action in seven states (12/28/2009 1:40:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery I'm going on the presumption that these guys talk to each other. Which seems a fair assumption: as evil liberals they're going to be all talk, aren't they?

Fellow -> RE: Obamacare sparking 10th Amendment rebellion, action in seven states (12/28/2009 1:46:18 PM)
I think there is a conflict of interest here: the bodies of citizens are not the government property to care for. Research has found conventional medicine to be responsible for an estimated 783,936 deaths annually, including 106,000 deaths from adverse drug reactions, 98,000 from medical errors, and 88,000 from infection. The economist point of view ( http://neweconomicperspectives.blogspot.com/2009/10/healthcare-diversions-part-3.html ): "Here’s the opportunity, Wall Street’s newest and bestest gamble: there is a huge untapped market of some 50 million people who are not paying insurance premiums—and the number grows every year because employers drop coverage and people can’t afford premiums. Solution? Health insurance “reform” that requires everyone to turn over their pay to Wall Street. Can’t afford the premiums? That is OK—Uncle Sam will kick in a few hundred billion to help out the insurers. Of course, do not expect more health care or better health outcomes because that has nothing to do with “reform”. “Heckuvajob” Baucus is more concerned about Wall Street’s insurers, who see a missed opportunity."

Moonhead -> RE: Obamacare sparking 10th Amendment rebellion, action in seven states (12/28/2009 2:08:00 PM)
I'd feel more sympathetic is so many Americans hadn't been coming out with this shit about socialised medicine being evil, frankly. You have a stupid system, and vested interests who are opposed to any changes being made to it. At least the trivial changes that are being proposed at the moment will set a precedent for the government intervening in the free enterprise system the insurers have set up, so if it achieves nothing else it's at least got that in it's favour. Of course, that's the main reason that the neocons are so opposed to it. It's bizarre that in a country that started with a rebellion against an oligarch there's so many people who think that feudalism would be a good idea. Still, I suppose it's natural given that they're the people with most of the money.

Page: << < prev 1 [2] 3 next > >>

Collarchat.com © 2025

Terms of Service

0.046875