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RE: Where We've Seen God This Year - 12/27/2009 5:52:08 PM   
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RE: Where We've Seen God This Year - 12/27/2009 7:51:16 PM   
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The first sentence of paganism in Wikipedia is "Paganism[1] is a blanket term used to refer to various non Judeo-Christian religions"

Well, it might be argued that Christianity is also a pagan religion, as the Christians worship the Divine (i.e. the computer outside our universe) through Jesus, were it not for the fact that Jesus as stressed by the Christians was not an incarnate pagan god, but a human. Thus Christianity formally is the only non-pagan religion. (The Divine, though, is recognized in all religions and spiritual movements.)

As for Jesus, informally it might be argued that he was an avatar of the incarnate god in all mythologies called the Creator (no, not the pagan god of the Jews), as he did show exceptional comprehension and did suffer similarly.

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The use of Judeo-Christian here, as I understand it, refers to the three Abrahamic religions (also referred to as the monotheistic religions): Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.

Since I have judged this matter, Wikipedia must be rewritten, obviously.

All religions are monotheistic in that they recognize the non-corporeal Divine and distinguish the Divine from the incarnate gods. Hindus for example recognize and distinguish between the incarnate Brahma and the Divine Brahma.

Judaism and Islam are Jewish sects that worship the Divine through their pagan god.

Christianity is not a Jewish sect, though there is a lot of Jewish pollution in it. Christianity ought to be purged of some of that corruption, I think. It is time for the introduction of a post-Christian religion.


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RE: Where We've Seen God This Year - 12/27/2009 8:03:28 PM   
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RE: Where We've Seen God This Year - 12/28/2009 7:35:51 AM   
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I have seen G_d this year in the workings of the universe...in bumblebees that are technically incapable of flight but do so anyway


Bees can fly just fine, there isn't some supernatural deity carrying them around. This is a good example of why researching something we don't understand and finding the actual answer is a better method for understanding the world around us than believing in a bronze age superstition.

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RE: Where We've Seen God This Year - 12/28/2009 3:35:26 PM   
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I saw him on some toilet paper I had used. It was sort of as if he was only passing thru............

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RE: Where We've Seen God This Year - 12/28/2009 3:43:14 PM   
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I saw him on the History channel, while the history of the Earth and the Sun and the Universe were being discussed. I saw him when I traveled through Yosemite and  Crater Lake and  Newberry and San Francisco, the Redwoods and all along the Pacific coast last summer...

I saw him in a childs' smile just Christmas morning (yesterday), and in a Salvation Army donation kettle on Christmas Eve.

I guess you just have to know where to look... 



Or you have to be so indoctrinated that you see what is not there.

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RE: Where We've Seen God This Year - 12/28/2009 4:00:58 PM   
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See, you understand the Trinity :)


I sure don't.

And I went through all my early schooling in Catholic schools asking the same question without ever getting the same answers from nuns and priests, who apparently didn't understand it either.

What exactly is the Holy Spirit?

Something like the Ghost of Christmas Past?

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RE: Where We've Seen God This Year - 12/28/2009 4:22:57 PM   
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What exactly is the Holy Spirit?

There are three answers to that:
3. It is the omnipresent wind / air (yes, I know)
2. It is the omnipresent superego of individuals that have a superego (it is everywhere they go)
1. It is the omnipresent Divine, the computer outside our universe. (This is the most correct answer.)
0. It is all three of the previous answers combined. (That is how the magical paradigm functions.)

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RE: Where We've Seen God This Year - 12/28/2009 4:29:51 PM   
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RE: Where We've Seen God This Year - 12/28/2009 6:29:07 PM   
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Its the minds eye that sees God, rml. Not necessarily the God of the Bible, but the God that some native Americans believe is in all things. You have to know how to look and be open to the spirituality that surrounds us in order to be moved that certain way.

A good meal or sex can be spiritual experiences, as can very good dark chocolate... as can a storm, or the rain forest.  Spiritual things are things or places that make ones spirit feel whole again, that make you feel really alive.

God is in everything and is everything but is more apparent in some places than others, and he is more obvious to those who are open to experiencing it.


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I saw him on the History channel, while the history of the Earth and the Sun and the Universe were being discussed. I saw him when I traveled through Yosemite and  Crater Lake and  Newberry and San Francisco, the Redwoods and all along the Pacific coast last summer...

I saw him in a childs' smile just Christmas morning (yesterday), and in a Salvation Army donation kettle on Christmas Eve.

I guess you just have to know where to look... 



Or you have to be so indoctrinated that you see what is not there.



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RE: Where We've Seen God This Year - 12/28/2009 7:10:20 PM   
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What exactly is the Holy Spirit?




In my perspective, it is 'Death'/change, Grandfather Time. (tales from the map)

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RE: Where We've Seen God This Year - 12/29/2009 4:21:13 AM   
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See, you understand the Trinity :)


I sure don't.

And I went through all my early schooling in Catholic schools asking the same question without ever getting the same answers from nuns and priests, who apparently didn't understand it either.

What exactly is the Holy Spirit?

Something like the Ghost of Christmas Past?



The Trinity can be explained by the most simple and abundant thing on earth H2O.  It is water whether it is liquid, solid or gas.  It can exist in all three forms at the same time.  It is the same compound but with different characteristics in its different forms.

For me, the Holy Spirit, is the part of God that exists in me, it is my direct connection to the Great Spirit.

As for taking Judism out of Christianity, that's absurd.  Jesus didn't start a new religion.  Jesus was a Jew who provided a way for people to relate to God without the debilitating confines of religious dogma.  Probably the most pure "Christians" would be the Messianic Jews.

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RE: Where We've Seen God This Year - 12/29/2009 4:52:52 AM   
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The Trinity can be explained by the most simple and abundant thing on earth H2O.  It is water whether it is liquid, solid or gas.  It can exist in all three forms at the same time.  It is the same compound but with different characteristics in its different forms.



I’ve always had a hard time grasping these types of examples; it is like an egg, or a match. The fact that each aspect does not appear to hold the same purpose, to me, puts a glitch in my thinking. Also, I see no connection behind the idea of any of them being both ‘Alphas’ and ‘Omegas’.

Do you see a similarity between your example of water, and my thoughts that the trinity consists of Life, Truth, and Death?

Only hoping to share thoughts.

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RE: Where We've Seen God This Year - 12/29/2009 6:29:07 AM   
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According to Christian dogma Jesus, the Holy Ghost and God are one and the same. In the frame of the magical paradigm they are correct - though to people not familiar with the meaning of these concepts nor with the magical paradigm, it usually is quite confusing.


then again it may be
the father in the flesh [++] the son in the flesh
with the holy spirit [++], the invisible singular bond [person/conscience] between them

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RE: Where We've Seen God This Year - 12/29/2009 6:35:44 AM   
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According to Christian dogma Jesus, the Holy Ghost and God are one and the same. In the frame of the magical paradigm they are correct - though to people not familiar with the meaning of these concepts nor with the magical paradigm, it usually is quite confusing.


then again it may be
the father in the flesh [++] the son in the flesh
with the holy spirit [++], the invisible singular bond [person/conscience] between them


My ‘view’ of it is that they are not the same, but that they are all incumbent to the one main purpose; Life (The Father)

Edited to add: so in turn; eachother.

Kim

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RE: Where We've Seen God This Year - 12/29/2009 5:29:05 PM   
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The Trinity can be explained by the most simple and abundant thing on earth H2O.  It is water whether it is liquid, solid or gas.  It can exist in all three forms at the same time.  It is the same compound but with different characteristics in its different forms.



I’ve always had a hard time grasping these types of examples; it is like an egg, or a match. The fact that each aspect does not appear to hold the same purpose, to me, puts a glitch in my thinking. Also, I see no connection behind the idea of any of them being both ‘Alphas’ and ‘Omegas’.

Do you see a similarity between your example of water, and my thoughts that the trinity consists of Life, Truth, and Death?

Only hoping to share thoughts.

Kim



Because I personally don't see Death as a factor to even bother with and Truth is subjective.  (Just read this section of the boards)  

I see the aspects of Spirit as Thought, Word, Deed. Light, Sound, Mechanical.  Energy that changes form but is never created nor destroyed.  But that's just me.  Each person needs to find their own Peace. 

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RE: Where We've Seen God This Year - 12/29/2009 6:32:15 PM   
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Because I personally don't see Death as a factor to even bother with


After posting, I had the thought that The Holy Spirit could possibly, also be referred to as ‘The Order of God’; still contemplating the idea, but thought I’d throw it out there.

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Truth is subjective. (Just read this section of the boards)



It seems more likely that reality is subjective, and truth is just very hard to know; at least at this time.


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Energy that changes form but is never created nor destroyed.



This statement seems very similar to my perspective; at least I can relate to it.


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Each person needs to find their own Peace.



Yes, I know; I just like comparing notes.


Thanks for answering, eyesopened. I was concerned I had offended you.



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RE: Where We've Seen God This Year - 12/29/2009 6:39:14 PM   
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Probably the most pure "Christians" would be the Messianic Jews.

I'd check out Jews for Judaism to get another take on that.

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RE: Where We've Seen God This Year - 12/30/2009 4:44:42 AM   
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Probably the most pure "Christians" would be the Messianic Jews.

I'd check out Jews for Judaism to get another take on that.



I did check it out, thanks. 

I was speaking of "Christians" not Jews.  In my opinion, the most pure (as at the time of Jesus) "Christians" would be Messianic Jews.  The "Christian" cults of today bare little resemblance to the message of Jesus.  The idea of Jesus being a supernatural being or God in human form is historically documented to be the decree of Constantine as the result of the Council of Nicea.  For nearly 100 years previous, Jesus was not God.  I am a firm believer that Jesus provided the most logical view of worship and faith.  I totally reject the Nicean ideology.  Constantine's religion was not motivated by anything other than political gain.  To be both Emporer and Pope, he gained more control than he could have ever gained by warfare.

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