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How much was your gas bill? - 12/26/2009 2:57:18 PM   
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Not too bad here.   $127.   
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RE: How much was your gas bill? - 12/26/2009 5:29:22 PM   
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For my car it was more than 127, for my house, it is totaly electric, for nov it was $160 or so.

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RE: How much was your gas bill? - 12/26/2009 5:40:30 PM   
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Well you americans don't complain about gas prices. We pay 9,20 kroner for a liter of petrol. That is about 7 $ a gallon. 1,5 kr (0,30 $) for a KW/hour of electric power. I drive a high mileage (18 km/liter) diesel car and use wood for heating. Still the electricity bill runs in about 300 $ a month. My next door neighbor uses 14000 $ a year for heating oil. Well he is looking in to buy the same kind of furnace as i have

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RE: How much was your gas bill? - 12/26/2009 6:07:58 PM   
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Everything in my home is electric....HOWEVER...I don't use electric for heating. I use fireplaces , I have one in each bedroom, the liviing room, the family room, the basement, one that sits in between the kitchen and dining room. They work very well at heating the house.

I go through about $500 in wood a year; and my electric is only around $40 a month...it stays pretty steady, even in the summer when I run the AC.

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RE: How much was your gas bill? - 12/26/2009 6:10:18 PM   
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We have electric everything, heat, water, cooking. Our electric bill is 187.00 a month, for a 1750 sq ft home. We have the equal payment thingy, so its the same amount all year round.

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RE: How much was your gas bill? - 12/26/2009 7:59:16 PM   
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No gas here..oil heat...runs between $225 to $300 every month in the winter depending on the price of oil and then nothing in the summer.

I'll be sooo glad when I sell this place!

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RE: How much was your gas bill? - 12/26/2009 8:23:19 PM   
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We're all electric here so gas is zip.  Electric however is all over the map.  Anywhere from a low month at 250 to a high month at 650. 
We never run our furnace either. 

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RE: How much was your gas bill? - 12/26/2009 8:31:39 PM   
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My home is gas heat, (thermostat is set at 68), I am on the equalizer, was paying $79/month, it recently changed to $43/month.  It always has a huge jump like that, I don't think they do a good job at figuring out what the equalizer payment should be.


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RE: How much was your gas bill? - 12/26/2009 8:37:47 PM   
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I dont care for the budget plan.   They now make it 12 months rather then 10. 

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RE: How much was your gas bill? - 12/26/2009 10:47:38 PM   
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Insulation is a wonderful thing.  Our old 660 sq. foot crackerbox 2 bedroom house was about $140 a month in the coldest months for natural gas, we pay damn near the same in 2000 sq. feet with cathedral ceilings now.   Pretty much the same sort of situation with the electric bill for cooling in the summer. 

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RE: How much was your gas bill? - 12/27/2009 12:09:03 AM   
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How the hell are youse getting these cheap heating bills ? While things have changed, years ago when the snow flew we expected gas bills around $400 per month, but that was heating two suites. It was also only that high for a few months.

Now I am all fucked up, because the olman had gotten on HEAP and PIP so I am not sure what the actual usage is. I'll actually have to go read the meter and figure it out. I am pretty sure there will be a balance due, but really, what I pay now is $112 per month. But I pay that all year.

When the gas bill used to shoot up to $400 in the winter, it shot similarly down to like twenty bucks in the summer. And things have changed. I am heating the upstairs only enough to keep it from freezing, the stat is all the way down but I think it kicks in at about 50 degrees. That's fine. Once rented, the gas will be split, the other meter is already there, it just hasn't been used in a long time. So my budget amount may be less than that. If my usage is half, and only four months out of the year are high gas bills, averaging it out I don't think I am too worried about it.

We have gone on the one third plan a couple of times, but you have to pay that off. We know that. While there is no interest you want to pay it off. If you did not fall for all these quicksters hawking cheap gas, and stuck with East Ohio/Dominion, the one third plan is good for people who don't want the budget yet get hit with some really high bills.

How it works is like this. You get a gas bill for $500. You don't have it or whatever so you can pay them one third, which would be $166. Next month the gas bill is $500 again, so now you owe $500 + $ 333. So now the minimum is $278. Now $ 833 - $278 is $555. Get one more $ 500 gas bill and do it again the minimum will be about $352. You are almost paying what you would have been paying but now you are in arrears. They might be OK with that but you still owe.

The trick to navigating this is to get it paid off quickly, and then be able to enjoy those months when the gas bill is only $20 a month. Another good plan is to play them on the plan.

Almost every one of them offers a budget plan, which in this case does not reduce cost, but just even it out. Basically in this area of the country, you get on the budget in October sometime. They set the rate. They give you usage and projected usage on the bill these days. Use that information. On the budget, there comes a time to even up, so whatever the balance is, you pay it when you come off the plan. Well stay on the plan a couple months or so and take the sting out of that, when the balance is low enough, pay it off and get off the plan. Then next October, simply get back on the plan.

I will admit that this scheme does allow them to use your money for free for a time, but if you do the math, you are using alot more of their money for quite a bit longer time. That is how it works out math wise.

If you can get plans like this, do it. They are going to figure out how to stop it so they make more money. Get it while you can.

Now understand one thing, when I talk about a $ 400 per month gas bill, we are talking about a double house, which is near the edge of a damnear cliff. Most of the time in the summer it is eight to ten degrees cooler here than it is even five streets away. The same seems to be true in the winter. And when it gets windy, right around here it gets REAL windy. I mean pieces of trees and rocks and shit like that flying up over the hill and I was actually worried about my windshield ! I mean it was kicking up some pretty large objects. And this house was built in 1915 and had no insulation. It has some now but we haven't been all the way around it yet.

In fact the attic insulation didn't get put in until 06 or 07. It was around then that it became apparent that it was best to do it. Rate hikes and all. Next year might be time for a bit more insulation. I like it, it saves money, plus it helps contain the sound in the house. Earlier I rocked my socks off and it was loud, so that I could actually feel it. I cut it off at about ten PM, I don't want to bother the neighbors, but dammit I paid all this money to have this sound and I shall enjoy it.

This also comes back to lifestyle. My bedroom is the warmest room in the whole house. That is fine. People say it's hot, but in the raw or near in the raw it just isn't hot. Preference. I can understand that, but what still befuddles me to this day is why 70 degrees is too cold in the winter yet too hot in the summer.

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RE: How much was your gas bill? - 12/27/2009 2:31:39 AM   
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Ok- I am looking at the bill. I used 86 CCF daily outdoor temp  38 this year- 32 last year.

I still have to decide on what I am doing on an electric company.

So campare the amount used.    86 CCF

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RE: How much was your gas bill? - 12/27/2009 7:34:31 AM   
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Here in a Milwaukee suburb, our monthly bill (gas and electric) is $220 per month, every month. Because of global warming we had a warm November and used less than normal.

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RE: How much was your gas bill? - 12/27/2009 8:33:36 AM   
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servant, that may sound logical but it is not when it comes to global warming. Overall increase in the mean temperature on the surface of this rock can just as easily make it colder in some places. When the air currents change, global warming could almost cause an ice age if the conditions are just right. It might be a bit shorter of an ice age, but that statement still holds water err,,,, ice ?

Meteorology is more complex than most people think and I don't pretend to understand it much. But like other things, there is more than meets the eye. And if we really put it in perspective, we are quite vulnerable to climate change. Surface temperatures even on local planets can range from near absolute zero to the melting point of most metals. Of this spectrum we can only live in a narrow range.

And I am starting to think the deaths caused by the next ice age will not be from freezing, but starving because after paying the heating bill they won't be able to afford to buy food. In other words the range is not going to change all that much.

But now y'all got me interested in just how much my usage really is. I'll have to figure out how to read the meter. That is easier said than done though because we have these newfangled electronic ones.

T

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RE: How much was your gas bill? - 12/27/2009 8:43:01 AM   
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OK, I'm sure no-one wants to hear this, but how bout $0.00 to heat or cool my house. No heater, no AC, windows are open all year around. Well maybe a few bucks to run the fans. Life is good in paradise.

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RE: How much was your gas bill? - 12/27/2009 5:18:56 PM   
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Hopefully global warming will finally get here because I dont want to pay heat bills.

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RE: How much was your gas bill? - 12/27/2009 5:20:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DDraigeuraid

OK, I'm sure no-one wants to hear this, but how bout $0.00 to heat or cool my house. No heater, no AC, windows are open all year around. Well maybe a few bucks to run the fans. Life is good in paradise.

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RE: How much was your gas bill? - 12/27/2009 6:50:02 PM   
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right now my electric heat and misc. electricity is running at 175/mo.  my gas hot water is about 32/mo.

i will be going back to gas heat when I get my tax refund.  my gas heater/hot water rusted out last March, a new system is expensive.
When all heat and hot water was gas, I was paying about 170 in winter, and 25-30 in summer.

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RE: How much was your gas bill? - 12/28/2009 1:54:00 AM   
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If your system is down what are you using ? Space heaters ? If so I might hae to consider it. I have wondered when the crossover point might come, when electric is actually cheaper than gas.

The one thing about electric space heaters is you can heat zones. You can leave the areas which nobody uses cold, and possibly even take you heat with you from room to room. Some people do that.

At work we zone heat electrically. There is a funace but it is old. The boss told me that he lets the gas slip in the summer because of several reasons. His credit is shit though he has a bunch of money, so a gas bill doesn't mean a thing to him. Then he does the math. Instead of paying off the gas co, he buys a bunch of electric space heaters. Mostly, they do pretty much just as good a job. The electric bill climbed by a whopping $250 a month or so. But the gas bill was about $600 a month. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure out that 250 is less than 600.

Now I have a very old gravity furnace which I will never give up. It is self powered, it requires no electricity and doesn't even hook up to the power, it is self powered. It is also absolfuckinglutely silent almost. Generally trouble free because of the very few moving parts. I have the option of adding another systen though, and could add AC to it easily because I can do it all myself. At this pojnt if I persue something like that, perhaps electric would be better. I could run whichever based on the rates, if I ever actually calculate when it would behoove me to do so. In fact if, for any reason I can't get gas, electric would heat the house adequately I am sure. I think it an option to consider.

Also anyone these days, consider zone heating with electric. The disparity in rates is not so great anymore. With that and the ability to zone heat it might be a viable option for many. I have considered it and actually still am. My only other problem is that I like cooking with gas. I have never been happy with an electric stove in my life, I hate the things. Bullshit, by the time you get it hot enough to do anything it stays hot for a week.

Likewise with the hot water. I bought a waterbed and emptied two tanks into it and it was warm. Usually you can't do that, but I could. But the thing is with the gas I had two tanks of hot water again in an hour, how long do you think it would take with electric ?

Everything has a proper purpose. Sort it out properly and you will be able to do the best you can. Conditions vary wadely and I am aware of that. But for each there is the perfect formula. It might not be perfect, but what I mean by perfect is the best you can do. One size does not fit all though. If you live in Equador you don't need to worry too much about the gas bill, likewise if you live in Alaska you don't need much in the way of AC.

Actually, the best bet is to live east of a very large body of water and enjoy the effects of it moderating the temperature. That's why Californy is so popular. That's right, western Europeans, you don't know how good you got it. Come down here and take a look at the climate. You will run home so fast you won't even have time to sink in the Atlantic. By natural law, the climate is always more temperate at the east coast of a body of water. Europeans who wish to disagree are welcome to speculate, in doing so, please suppose the Atlantic ocean does not exist. Then we can talk.

At any rate, the "climate" is getting worse every day, at least financially. So any ideas on how to survive this shit will be quite welcome to some. The others ? Fukum.

T

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RE: How much was your gas bill? - 12/28/2009 2:00:54 AM   
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$105 last month to run the heat, water heater, and stove. Fortunately, electricity is included in my rent 

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