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RE: Fox Nation: The Church Police "Ask" Why O... - 12/31/2009 12:24:38 PM   
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We need a fiscal conservative right now, and Bush was no fiscal conservative.

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They're really missing Bush, I can tell.



It would appear that you do too.

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Is that why you voted for him twice?

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RE: Fox Nation: The Church Police "Ask" Why O... - 12/31/2009 12:31:07 PM   
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We need a fiscal conservative right now, and Bush was no fiscal conservative.
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Sanity, we've needed fiscal conservativeS in this government for quite some time but there isn't any on the horizon nor at the setting of the sun.

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RE: Fox Nation: The Church Police "Ask" Why O... - 12/31/2009 12:31:59 PM   
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Christmas is the second holiest day in the Christian religions. The first is Easter. While running for office, Obama wanted to portray himself as Christian. For him not to attend Mass or church on Christmas makes his claim questionable. But he thought it was very important to identify as Christian to be elected.



i hate that i have to even post on one of the OP's threads.... but when i read this, i thought WTF?

i have been attending Christian churches (Baptist, COGIC, Pentacostal, Presbyterian, Methodist, you name it....my whole family was active  in church  my entire life) ALL my life, and i never went to church on Christmas, unless Christmas happened to fall on a Sunday.

Now maybe i'm missing something, but coming from a Protestant standpoint, we didn't have service on Christmas day just because it was a holiday. In fact, pastors always made a habit of pointing out the unlikelihood of Christmas even being Jesus' actual birthday. (the mention of Mass is a moot point of course, as the President isn't Catholic)

Religion is sort of like kink in this way ....your Christianity is not MY Christianity....
Disclaimer:Not all Christians are extremists or fucking nutters, but  there are just enough  crazy people calling themselves "Christians" around here to make us all look bad. 
 
btw.... MMercurial....Perhaps your moniker is meant to indicate that you have been exposed to large quantities of mercury? i am curious....



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RE: Fox Nation: The Church Police "Ask" Why O... - 12/31/2009 12:34:22 PM   
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I voted for him twice because of who the alternatives candidates were, both of whom were fiscally far more Liberal than G.W was.

I held my nose and punched the ballot.

Why do you ask. Is there ever a point to any of your inane questions?


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Is that why you voted for him twice?

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RE: Fox Nation: The Church Police "Ask" Why O... - 12/31/2009 12:36:14 PM   
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I knew there was a reason that I like you about half the time, Ron. Maybe sometime I should invite you back onto my friends list again.

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We need a fiscal conservative right now, and Bush was no fiscal conservative.
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Sanity, we've needed fiscal conservativeS in this government for quite some time but there isn't any on the horizon nor at the setting of the sun.

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RE: Fox Nation: The Church Police "Ask" Why O... - 12/31/2009 12:43:47 PM   
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I voted for him twice because of who the alternatives candidates were, both of whom were fiscally far more Liberal than G.W was.

I held my nose and punched the ballot.

Why do you ask. Is there ever a point to any of your inane questions?


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Is that why you voted for him twice?

T.



There are no inane questions only inane people who would rather disemble than actually answer a question posed to them.
It seems pretty obvious that you voted against what you claim to want so that you could be on the winning team. That seems to indicate a lack of ethical fiber, a theme that seems to punctuate your every post.

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RE: Fox Nation: The Church Police "Ask" Why O... - 12/31/2009 12:45:35 PM   
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Which racist church did he attend?

Trinity United Church of Christ, in Chicago, for 20 years, the Pastor of which, our good Reverend Jeremiah Wright, has publicly asserted the authority of "black liberation" theologians such as James Cone and Dwight Hopkins. Here's a taste of James Cone:

Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community ... Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love.

I assume you'll accept Daily Kos as a source. There is a link on the page to the fuller statement given above, where the following reference is given: William R Jones, "Divine Racism: The Unacknowledged Threshold Issue for Black Theology", in African-American Religious Thought: An Anthology, ed Cornel West and Eddie Glaube (Westminster John Knox Press).

That's not to suggest that Obama himself is a racist, of course, or that he chose that church because he favored its racist theology. From what I've read, he simply saw that Trinity was where the people he wanted to rub shoulders with attended services, and chose it to further his political career. And, too, since you ask the question, perhaps you don't even consider that kind of shit to be racist in the first place.

K.



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RE: Fox Nation: The Church Police "Ask" Why O... - 12/31/2009 12:45:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		well, the fiscal record of GWB before the presidency is world renown: bankruptcy.......

whats more fiscally conservative than that Huntie? Cut the guy some slack.......

LOL.

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RE: Fox Nation: The Church Police "Ask" Why O... - 12/31/2009 1:07:27 PM   
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Which racist church did he attend?

Trinity United Church of Christ, in Chicago, for 20 years, the Pastor of which, our good Reverend Jeremiah Wright, has publicly asserted the authority of "black liberation" theologians such as James Cone and Dwight Hopkins. Here's a taste of James Cone:

Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community ... Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love.

I assume you'll accept Daily Kos as a source. There is a link on the page to the fuller statement given above, where the following reference is given: William R Jones, "Divine Racism: The Unacknowledged Threshold Issue for Black Theology", in African-American Religious Thought: An Anthology, ed Cornel West and Eddie Glaube (Westminster John Knox Press).

That's not to suggest that Obama himself is a racist, of course, or that he chose that church because he favored its racist theology. From what I've read, he simply saw that Trinity was where the people he wanted to rub shoulders with attended services, and chose it to further his political career. And, too, since you ask the question, perhaps you don't even consider that kind of shit to be racist in the first place.

K.





The problem is obvious...you do not know what the word racist means and until you do you will continue with this ignorance.
Now I have read many of your posts and you are a bright fellow who like sanity and merc and a few others like to play fast and loose with word definitions. When that doesn't work you attack spelling and grammar. When that does not work then you "tire of the discussion"...blah blah blah.
Some day when you are interested in discussion come to the table and bring your "A" game. Your cheap highschool debate team shit don't float with me.

T.

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RE: Fox Nation: The Church Police "Ask" Why O... - 12/31/2009 1:20:21 PM   
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Which racist church did he attend?


Trinity United Church of Christ, in Chicago, for 20 years, the Pastor of which, our good Reverend Jeremiah Wright, has publicly asserted the authority of "black liberation" theologians such as James Cone and Dwight Hopkins. Here's a taste of James Cone:

Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community ... Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love.

K.



Holy Shit...i've been black 34 years and never heard of any of this type of theology (in Christian churches) until Jeremiah Wright and the election.

i never heard of that highlighted part of your post until just reading it. It saddens me and sickens me that such hatred exists in the hearts and minds of men, regardless of color or creed. It really angers me that people so often spread hatred under the guise of religion.

Perhaps people think this "ideology" is pretty rampant and far-spread in predominately Black churches. Having attended various churches, i say assuredly... it isn't. Or perhaps that's what people would like to think. i've wondered if Jeremiah Wright was the perfect ammunition for professional fearmongers to use against the more weak-minded and fearful members of the American populace. i promise, i haven't gotten any mail telling me the time and date of the bloody overthrow.

It's sort of like my uncle that thinks AIDS was invented by American  scientists to kill gays, and African people.....everybody has an axe to grind....


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That's not to suggest that Obama himself is racist, of course, or even that he chose that church because it was racist. From what I've read, he simply saw that Trinity was where the people he wanted to rub shoulders with attended services, and chose it to further his political career.

K.

The bolded part is probably a big part of the reason i think You're one of the more insightful posters here.

Imagine... reading and not having information spoonfed to us. Why, it almost seems like a fairytale, or a time before cable television news networks... "Somewhe-e-rr-re o-ooo-v-e-rr the r-aaaaiiinnnnbbooowwww....."

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RE: Fox Nation: The Church Police "Ask" Why O... - 12/31/2009 1:32:21 PM   
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We have different factions down here.
Many of us have learned to ignore a lot of crap that is posted.

There are people that will create 30 page threads if President Obama
steps on a beetle or uses Charmin toilet paper instead of recycled toilet paper,
to wipe his behind.
Many of these people think President Obama is responsible for every decision made by all the past Presidents in the last 50 years, even the one's made before he was born.

Happy New Year

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RE: Fox Nation: The Church Police "Ask" Why O... - 12/31/2009 2:14:43 PM   
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By any definition you wish to use to describe terrorism it is the U.S. which is the terrorist.


It's only terrorism when you don't have an established armed forces as part of a nation-state. When you do it as a nation, it's called something like "war of aggression".

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Name one part of the U.S., with the exception of Alaska, that was not acquired by force of arms or the threat there of.



The Louisiana Purchase?

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RE: Fox Nation: The Church Police "Ask" Why O... - 12/31/2009 2:17:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		Louisianna Purchase --- I might cavil with that a little. But in a strict sense I suppose you are correct InvisibleBlack. Sold to us to help finance an ongoing war we were not involved in.

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RE: Fox Nation: The Church Police "Ask" Why O... - 12/31/2009 2:21:41 PM   
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Louisianna Purchase --- I might cavil with that a little. But in a strict sense I suppose you are correct InvisibleBlack. Sold to us to help finance an ongoing war we were not involved in.

Ron


Hey, if France needs money and so Napoleon is selling off their colonies at discount prices, I don't consider that financing an ongoing war - it's smart shopping!

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RE: Fox Nation: The Church Police "Ask" Why O... - 12/31/2009 2:24:22 PM   
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RE: Fox Nation: The Church Police "Ask" Why O... - 12/31/2009 2:29:26 PM   
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if President Obama steps on a beetle or uses Charmin toilet paper instead of recycled toilet paper,
to wipe his behind...


Are you saying that after swatting a fly he went on to step on a beetle!?! You see! You see the escalation of violence! When will the man stop!?!

And Charmin! CHARMIN!?! You know in February Greenpeace advised consumers to "avoid" Charmin toilet paper because of its adverse environmental impact! Charmin is made by Proctor & Gamble! The President is selling out the environment to help Big Business! That sellout!

Thank you! Thank you, MzMia, for bringing these critical events to our attention! ObamaWatch(TM) is on it!

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RE: Fox Nation: The Church Police "Ask" Why O... - 12/31/2009 2:34:41 PM   
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if President Obama steps on a beetle or uses Charmin toilet paper instead of recycled toilet paper,
to wipe his behind...


Are you saying that after swatting a fly he went on to step on a beetle!?! You see! You see the escalation of violence! When will the man stop!?!

And Charmin! CHARMIN!?! You know in February Greenpeace advised consumers to "avoid" Charmin toilet paper because of its adverse environmental impact! Charmin is made by Proctor & Gamble! The President is selling out the environment to help Big Business! That sellout!

Thank you! Thank you, MzMia, for bringing these critical events to our attention! ObamaWatch(TM) is on it!



I have heard that he has also stepped on ants, doesn't always bless his food before he eats, and he sometimes eats cookies late at night!
The cookies are not organic!!!
This man must be stopped!

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RE: Fox Nation: The Church Police "Ask" Why O... - 12/31/2009 2:47:30 PM   
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RE: Fox Nation: The Church Police "Ask" Why O... - 12/31/2009 2:52:07 PM   
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Sometimes I just love this place....thankyou chaps and chapesses
Happy New year to EVERYONE



I love it here also!!
Happy New Year to everyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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RE: Fox Nation: The Church Police "Ask" Why O... - 12/31/2009 4:06:06 PM   
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France did not own Louisiana Spain did (Treaty San Ildefenso) There were three of them one with secret protocols. Please do not depend on wiki to help you here deeper reseaerch is necessary.
Take my word for it or do the research but here is the skinny.
San Ildefenso is the residence of the Spanish Royal family. Napolean held the royal family in "protective custody"
The first treaty was one of alliance between Spain and Portugal and is not germain to this discussion.
The seccond treaty was between France and Spain and the secret protocols make it clear that Louisiana belong to Spain
The third treaty is also between France and Spain but takes place after the spanish King and his hier are in French custody.
The corps or discovery was a military expedition on the magnitude of NASA for it's time.
The French and the Spanish were both acutely aware of the preperations for the invasion of Louisiana. France decided to sell an assett that they did not own. Spain on the other hand sent an expedition to quell the invasion.
Louisiana only goes to the eastern face of the contenental divide. Louis and Clark went to the Pacific ocean.
Louis and Clark went on this expedition with the most advanced semi automatic rifle of it's time. Able to fire more than twenty .40 cal balls without reloading. All with no smoke and no noise.

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