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Sanity -> RE: Iraqis outraged as Blackwater case thrown out (1/3/2010 4:57:21 PM)


All right, you've caught us, we're really colonizing Iraq, sneaking the population out the back way to utilize as slaves, and despite all the evidence to the contrary we're stealing their oil...  [:D]




Politesub53 -> RE: Iraqis outraged as Blackwater case thrown out (1/3/2010 5:00:01 PM)

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All right, you've caught us, we're really colonizing Iraq, sneaking the population out the back way to utilize as slaves, and despite all the evidence to the contrary we're stealing their oil...  [:D]



I knew if I persevered I would get a result. [8D]




AnimusRex -> RE: Iraqis outraged as Blackwater case thrown out (1/3/2010 6:42:57 PM)

Sometimes I wonder if the neocons ever consider what would happen if the shoe were on the other foot.

Suppose an alliance of China/Venezuela one day decides that America should be liberated, to establish a government that they consider to be more just, more responsive to its people?

Suppose they declared Pro-Tibetan or Taiwanese independence advocates to be dangerous terrorists, and started snatching American citizens off the streets of Dallas?

Or if they suspected one of those Taiwanese "terrorists" was living in Savannah, and so they lobbed a few missiles onto the city, in hopes of killing one. The other 40 people killed would be collateral damage and deeply regretted by the Chinese government.

If the Chinese security guards gunned down 17 civilians on the streets of Atlanta? And got away scot free?

If it turned out that people connected to the Venezuelan government were on the boards of corporations that got first dibs on American oil fields and timber forests?

If they set up permanent Chinese military bases in Kansas and San Diego? If Venezuelan jets and helicopters swooped over Denver's skyline?


I suspect- and I could be wrong- but I suspect a lot of people at National Review and Fox news would develop a sudden appreciation for "quaint" concepts like international law and the Geneva Conventions. Dick Cheney might reconsider if torture was really as effective and appropriate as he thinks it is now.

We were shocked and stunned when violence struck us on 9/11. The concept of foreign troops on our soil is so shocking as to be inconceivable. Yet we have absolutely no regard for "sovereignty" when it comes to other people's countries; we lob missiles into Yemen, without a second thought; we invade other nations carelessly, recklessly, as it it were of no great consequence. We are waging war on 4 nations simultaneously right now, and yet they keep baying for more war, more invasions, constantly more.

We snatch civilians off of the streets in Italy, Germany, and elsewhere, we set up 1,000 military bases all around the world, we have casual national conversations about whether or not we should "allow" other nations to develop nuclear weapons.

And none of this is in line with the vision of the Founding Fathers; we were established as a resistance to empire, and yet the neocons have based their entire philosophy around the concept of American Empire.

In Victoria's time, it was said that the "sun never sets on the British Empire"; and it was literally true- the British Empire spanned the globe, and ever minute of the day, the sun was shining on some bit of the Empire.

Today, the same can be said of the American Empire.




Brain -> RE: Iraqis outraged as Blackwater case thrown out (1/3/2010 7:15:13 PM)

Unfortunately, this was not handled properly and these people will get away with the despicable things they did because everyone has the right not to incriminate themselves and that is exactly what happened here. When the Iraqis understand this, maybe they never will, that's when they will appreciate the judicial system. I truly understand how Iraqi's can be upset but unfortunately we will have to make the best of a bad situation and make every effort to ensure this never happens again.




rulemylife -> RE: Iraqis outraged as Blackwater case thrown out (1/3/2010 7:56:29 PM)

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the result of botched policies from the Bush administration.




LOL, RML!  That's just too fucking funny.  You post this at the same time you are trying like hell to derail a discussion of the problems of "green power" by insisting someone else explain where Obama and liberals come into it.




Well....................I can post proof of mine.

How about you?




What was "mine" to begin with, RML?  I can hardly be expected to keep track of all the lies you tell about what I, or anyone else, said.  What did you make up so you would have something you felt competent to talk about?




Name those lies Heretic.






TheHeretic -> RE: Iraqis outraged as Blackwater case thrown out (1/3/2010 8:08:10 PM)

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Name those lies Heretic.



You can't remember what you spout either, huh RML? 




rulemylife -> RE: Iraqis outraged as Blackwater case thrown out (1/3/2010 8:16:43 PM)

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Name those lies Heretic.



You can't remember what you spout either, huh RML? 


No, stop the bullshit.

If you believe I have lied then state the lies.




TheHeretic -> RE: Iraqis outraged as Blackwater case thrown out (1/3/2010 8:31:22 PM)

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If you believe I have lied then state the lies.




Every time you put words into someone else's posts, RML.  Which would be pretty much any sociopolitical discussion you insert yourself into.  You are familiar with how to search through your own old posts, aren't you?

Your games of distraction and derailment are so Aughties. 




Sanity -> RE: Iraqis outraged as Blackwater case thrown out (1/4/2010 3:49:02 AM)


For what its worth, I think rml is one of the more sincere of our left-leaning posters.

Doesn't carry the typical black cloud of hate around with him, seems to think about things, makes half an effort at real dialogue. He's not too bad.

Even in this thread he's saying "show me what you mean".




Vendaval -> RE: Iraqis outraged as Blackwater case thrown out (1/5/2010 12:33:50 AM)

Fast Reply -

The people most likely to receive retaliation for this verdict are inevitably the Iraqi civilians and U.S. troops in the region.  The power brokers that decide the outcome are not the ones in the direct line of fire.





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