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thompsonx
It looks from here as if the "propaganda war" only exists in your mind.

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Merc
You must not read anything stated by this Administration. However based upon your other comments, reading comprehension isn't your strong point.

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merc:
9/11 did many things. One thing it didn't do was create a propaganda image of the US as coward in the face of an attack. Granted I may be the only one seeing it this way

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All the others had the lowest level security status at the time of the attack making comparison irrelevant.

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Here is your original statement here you state that the propaganda war is in your own head

9/11 did many things. One thing it didn't do was create a propaganda image of the US as coward in the face of an attack. Granted I may be the only one seeing it this way

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I didn't look.

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The same one I have for most things - enforce the law. In this case that would mean protecting the assumed sovereignty of the Embassy. I find it much easier than creating rationalizations to fit into daily changing conditions

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But again - I'm not the President and this one seems to be following past traditions when it comes to playing games with the lives of those in military service. He thinks its okay to send them to occupy a foreign sovereignty, Afghanistan, under restrictive rules of engagement to act as policemen; but US sovereignty represented by an Embassy isn't worthy of any similar consideration. The "hearts & minds" application of intent yet another moving target rationalized to fit the actions.

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No rationalizations were created. IF you had researched the issue before assuming and posting, you would have found the rationalizations were long in place, with damn good reasons.

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Yet you criticize every move the man makes, no matter what the move.

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Didn't you post a bunch of names of soldiers who had died defending embassies earlier?

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

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Here is your original statement here you state that the propaganda war is in your own head

9/11 did many things. One thing it didn't do was create a propaganda image of the US as coward in the face of an attack. Granted I may be the only one seeing it this way

Your interpretation is noted. Wrong - but noted. Try reading all the words. HINT - the one that starts with 'm'.

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Merc:
Your assumption is death. My assumption is that a strongly defended embassy wouldn't be attacked. We'll never know.

Saigon
Beirut
Nairobi
Kenya
Dar
and so on over the years.

Those were defended fairly strongly and were attacked. What leads you to assume Merc, that THIS time someone would go, 'Hey you dumbasses, we cant attack that;the fuckers defeneded'!
People who carry arms against others know that sombodies gonna fuckin die, they are just hoping to christ it aint 'me.' (a valid use of the royal sense of 'me' here, luckydawg).

Now, a heavily defended bank in the United States may not be laid siege to simply to avoid the appearance of a social faux paux. (Unless unemployment comes up to 40-50% perhaps) but in any army or military organization in the world (whether ideological or otherwise) mission is far more important then men by a factor of at least 1000.

Ron

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ORIGINAL: luckydawg
Its rather pathetic you are still upset about that Mnot, but you are indeed still wrong. The Royal we is is used to mean I, refering to the soverign in plural form. Sorry you still don't get that. I must really have gotten under your skin, kind of sad. But you are as you are...

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Polite, You may not have looked at my comments about Bush's waste of the military and resources, but they were made.

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Every incident is different. Every incident providing unique opportunities to succeed, fail, or not be used.....

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Obama may not have any quick fix, but it isnt exactly a mess caused by his policies either.

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Polite, You may not have looked at my comments about Bush's waste of the military and resources, but they were made.

Okay I can accept i might have missed that. I dont recall you moaning about Bush, hence my comments.

As for change, I am not sure what you expected. Bush was probably glad to get out when he did. The economy was a mess, Iraq and Afghanistan were a mess. No easy fix to any of that. Obama may not have any quick fix, but it isnt exactly a mess caused by his policies either.

Regards a strongly guarded embassy not being attacked. Where there is a will, there is a way. Look at the Marine barracks in Lebanon, or the attack on the CIA camp last week. Both heavily defended and both attacked. The Yemen Embassy  will always be an easy target for rocket attacks, as shown by previous efforts, when mortars hit the building next to it. I think closing it for safety reasons was the better call.

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Obama may not have any quick fix, but it isnt exactly a mess caused by his policies either.

Failure at the executive level is always a combination of prior situations and the inability of the new executive to have any effect to turn around those prior situations.

The Administration's biggest problem may have been unrealistic expectations to too many people. For a while now I've seen, and appreciated, all the corners Obama has painted for himself. He could use a 'do-over'; surrounding himself with competency.

Finally seeing the replay of yesterday's speech he looked pissed. Having this occur on Sunday It's a tale of shocking ineptitude: CBS 2 has learned a series of missteps unnecessarily added to the mayhem at Newark Liberty International Airport on Sunday. The six-hour delay stranded thousands of people, creating extreme crowding and chaos. The mistakes made at the airport give new meaning to the term "domino effect." It was a cascading series of missteps that cry out for action. The sign at the Transportation Security Administration screening post at Newark read: "Premises Under Constant Video Surveillance." What is should add is: "If We're Lucky." he should be.

Coming up on the anniversary of his implementing part two of the Bush Stimulus to this news: As much as $9.5 million in federal stimulus dollars went to 14 zip codes in Virginia that don�t exist or are in other states, Old Dominion Watchdog (http://virginia.watchdog.org) reports. The fake zip codes were listed on Recovery.gov, the federal Web site that is supposed to track how the stimulus money is being used.The phony zip codes are a new wrinkle in Recovery.gov's increasingly tattered credibility. In November, Ed Pound, director of communications for the Recovery Accountability and Transparency Board, said a rash of phantom congressional districts found on the website were the result of confusion by fund recipients, who apparently didn't know who their congressman was.But who would give millions of dollars to somebody who doesn't even know their own zip code?

His 'Iron Curtain' of "transparency" in the process of the current Health-care Bill debate.

Piling on the President or a reflection of the Administration's results? Is one year still not long enough to be responsible for any of this?

Edited to add: Off to the airport to find out if I'm on the 'no-fly' list. Have fun!

And RML - Does that mean you won't be voting for any of the incumbents too! YEAH - Another convert! Welcome to 'Merc-land'!

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Obama may not have any quick fix, but it isnt exactly a mess caused by his policies either.

Failure at the executive level is always a combination of prior situations and the inability of the new executive to have any effect to turn around those prior situations.

The Administration's biggest problem may have been unrealistic expectations to too many people. For a while now I've seen, and appreciated, all the corners Obama has painted for himself. He could use a 'do-over'; surrounding himself with competency.

Finally seeing the replay of yesterday's speech he looked pissed. Having this occur on Sunday It's a tale of shocking ineptitude: CBS 2 has learned a series of missteps unnecessarily added to the mayhem at Newark Liberty International Airport on Sunday. The six-hour delay stranded thousands of people, creating extreme crowding and chaos. The mistakes made at the airport give new meaning to the term "domino effect." It was a cascading series of missteps that cry out for action. The sign at the Transportation Security Administration screening post at Newark read: "Premises Under Constant Video Surveillance." What is should add is: "If We're Lucky." he should be.

Coming up on the anniversary of his implementing part two of the Bush Stimulus to this news: As much as $9.5 million in federal stimulus dollars went to 14 zip codes in Virginia that don�t exist or are in other states, Old Dominion Watchdog (http://virginia.watchdog.org) reports. The fake zip codes were listed on Recovery.gov, the federal Web site that is supposed to track how the stimulus money is being used.The phony zip codes are a new wrinkle in Recovery.gov's increasingly tattered credibility. In November, Ed Pound, director of communications for the Recovery Accountability and Transparency Board, said a rash of phantom congressional districts found on the website were the result of confusion by fund recipients, who apparently didn't know who their congressman was.But who would give millions of dollars to somebody who doesn't even know their own zip code?

His 'Iron Curtain' of "transparency" in the process of the current Health-care Bill debate.

Piling on the President or a reflection of the Administration's results? Is one year still not long enough to be responsible for any of this?

Edited to add: Off to the airport to find out if I'm on the 'no-fly' list. Have fun!

And RML - Does that mean you won't be voting for any of the incumbents too! YEAH - Another convert! Welcome to 'Merc-land'!

I dont see his actions of closing the embassy as a failure. You see it as a cowardly act. I see it as a man who is smart enough not to allow testosterone to kill.

As far as one year being long enough to be responsible.... hmmm... should anyone accept responsibility for what happened before they take office? I recall the discussions of many CEO's who are now in control of companies who accepted TARP, yet the conversations were quick to point out that some of these people were not in control when the crisis hit.

Have it one way, it applies to all.

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And yet, the rest of the world will still probably be there, even if we don't look.

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We should close half of our embasseys and we'd be much better off for it!