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RE: The US Administration: Another Day - Another Surrender - 1/5/2010 12:24:06 PM

Mercnbeth

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
Merc,
now that the situation is resolved, don't you feel a little less than pragmatic, or even a little sheepish about this sky is falling shit?

LOL.
Ron

You'll have to point out for me the "sky is falling" reference.

It would be nice if you, or anyone - including those looking so longingly and jealously to live in 'Merc-land' - address the issues raised. Impossible, and not expected - but what the hell! I'm getting a kick out of the attention as the lack of direct response provides validation of the points raised.

Hey MM - Glad to see you still following me! How did the last meeting go with the others you previously referenced who discussed their need to block my posts in lieu of having to deal with them. I am very pleased to see you are still the designated viewer for 2010!

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RE: The US Administration: Another Day - Another Surrender - 1/5/2010 12:40:05 PM

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It would be nice if you, or anyone - including those looking so longingly and jealously to live in 'Merc-land' - address the issues raised. Impossible, and not expected - but what the hell! I'm getting a kick out of the attention as the lack of direct response provides validation of the points raised.

Was there something that Lady E missed in her rebuttle?

T.

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RE: The US Administration: Another Day - Another Surrender - 1/5/2010 12:43:31 PM

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I addressed the issues raised, just because we have differing views in this matter or what you see as an issue I do not see as an issue or not an issue as you fram it, does not mean that I haven't addressed your views with mine.

I never trashed you with no Mercland shit in any response; agreed or disagreed with you, never have, never will, Merc.

That's two things I think are a little unfair here. Unless you are bemoaning a general frustration, and I just happened to be who you tagged. Your misfiring on me (inadvertently and with absolutely no guile near as I can tell) is legendary. LOL.

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RE: The US Administration: Another Day - Another Surrender - 1/5/2010 12:45:42 PM

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It would be nice if you, or anyone - including those looking so longingly and jealously to live in 'Merc-land' - address the issues raised. Impossible, and not expected - but what the hell! I'm getting a kick out of the attention as the lack of direct response provides validation of the points raised.

Was there something that Lady E missed in her rebuttle?

T.

No. However a rational argument that disagrees with somebody's opinion is worthless on the internet, as any fule no.

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RE: The US Administration: Another Day - Another Surrender - 1/5/2010 1:02:27 PM

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It would be nice if you, or anyone - including those looking so longingly and jealously to live in 'Merc-land'

Wait...what??? You own a country? You are always letting us know how rich you are but this is the first I had heard of you owning a country. Dang dats kewel. Does it have socialized medicine? What is the immigration policy? Are there quotas?

HST.

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RE: The US Administration: Another Day - Another Surrender - 1/5/2010 1:09:13 PM

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That's two things I think are a little unfair here. Unless you are bemoaning a general frustration, and I just happened to be who you tagged. Your misfiring on me (inadvertently and with absolutely no guile near as I can tell) is legendary. LOL.

Ron - Wasn't firing with or without "guile". The problem may be that you interpret my life and beliefs, colloquially and lovingly referenced as living in 'Merc-land', as an insult or bad. Hell - nothing could be further from the truth. Feel free to visit and you, as some others can represent first hand, may never want to leave 'Merc-land'!

I picked upon the "sky if falling" reference - the rest was extemporaneous fun.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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It would be nice if you, or anyone - including those looking so longingly and jealously to live in 'Merc-land' - address the issues raised. Impossible, and not expected - but what the hell! I'm getting a kick out of the attention as the lack of direct response provides validation of the points raised.

Was there something that Lady E missed in her rebuttle?T.

I must have missed the rebuttle in its entirity.

I corrrected her assumption that my post was an effort to portrey Obama as "a cowardely idiot kow-towing to terrorists".

I didn't challenge his decisions on this matter only tried to reconcile them from the first post. Still would like to see someone else try.

She also alluded to some grand "greater strategy" associated with the closing of the Yemen embassy. Oustanding is the question about what that "greater strategy" is in consideration with other Adminitration stated policies; and how the ultimate goal of winning the "hearts & minds" is served.

Feel free to point out where any of that was addresed.

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RE: The US Administration: Another Day - Another Surrender - 1/5/2010 1:18:01 PM

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It would be nice if you, or anyone - including those looking so longingly and jealously to live in 'Merc-land'

Wait...what??? You own a country? You are always letting us know how rich you are but this is the first I had heard of you owning a country. Dang dats kewel. Does it have socialized medicine? What is the immigration policy? Are there quotas?
HST.

Thompson - you are welcome to visit - I'll provide a visa. I have my own way of doing a full body scan.

Yes - Merc-land has socialized medicine for all its citizens. Citizenship however comes with a very steep price - living with Merc.

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RE: The US Administration: Another Day - Another Surrender - 1/5/2010 1:23:06 PM

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She also alluded to some grand "greater strategy" associated with the closing of the Yemen embassy. Oustanding is the question about what that "greater strategy" is in consideration with other Adminitration stated policies; and how the ultimate goal of winning the "hearts & minds" is served.

Perhaps you might address those portions of your hosts of questions to the only person who would be aware of what that grand strategy might be and how the former serves the latter.

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I must have missed the rebuttle in its entirity.

Self imposed ignorance is it's own reward.

HST.

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RE: The US Administration: Another Day - Another Surrender - 1/5/2010 1:26:51 PM

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Thompson - you are welcome to visit - I'll provide a visa. I have my own way of doing a full body scan.

Yes - Merc-land has socialized medicine for all its citizens. Citizenship however comes with a very steep price - living with Merc.

I have paid less for more.

HST.

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RE: The US Administration: Another Day - Another Surrender - 1/5/2010 1:33:12 PM

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Perhaps you might address those portions of your hosts of questions to the only person who would be aware of what that grand strategy might be and how the former serves the latter.

Sorry - My fault in thinking you would have you, or anyone else, would have an opinion of what that might be. But that would require reasoned thought instead of simple minded contrariness that you've exhibited to date. My error is in the belief that you had that ability.

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RE: The US Administration: Another Day - Another Surrender - 1/5/2010 2:14:27 PM

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Fast Reply -

I would rather that U.S. embassies in countries where security is a serious problem be closed than that their civilian and military personnel be taken as hostages, tortured, held for ransom, injured and killed.

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RE: The US Administration: Another Day - Another Surrender - 1/5/2010 3:32:55 PM

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Perhaps you might address those portions of your hosts of questions to the only person who would be aware of what that grand strategy might be and how the former serves the latter.

Sorry - My fault in thinking you would have you, or anyone else, would have an opinion of what that might be. But that would require reasoned thought instead of simple minded contrariness that you've exhibited to date. My error is in the belief that you had that ability.

Why would you think I was a mind reader or that the president checks with me on policy issues.

I do find it interesting that you call me names instead of involving yourself in a discussion. The only question I could find that you asked based on the OP was the one based on the false premise that the young man trying to blow up an airplane was somehow responsible for a potential closing of an embassy. The only question you ask in the OP is

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Who can expect that there is a priority of protecting US sovereignty when, upon threat, sovereignty is surrendered without a shot?

It has been answered over and over that you have made a false premise. The airplane bomber had nothing to do with the potential embasy closing.
That only seems to prompt you to stamp your petulant foot and demand that we answer the way you want us to.
What will you do next...hold your breath or look at us in a disaproving manner?

HST.

HST.

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RE: The US Administration: Another Day - Another Surrender - 1/5/2010 3:41:05 PM

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My goal in chess, as it should be in war, is to win.

I just had to pull this one sentence out.

Tell me, Merc... what do you consider a "win"? Standing your ground against an enemy who has proven they will stop at nothing to attack you? Or saving lives while deciding what steps to take next?

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RE: The US Administration: Another Day - Another Surrender - 1/5/2010 3:45:38 PM

Mercnbeth

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I love chess! Permit me to use the reference one more time!
Who got the better in the exchange of the 'pawn' on board that flight for the 'castle' embassy in Yemen?

The article that you posted in the OP does not make that connection.
Here is what it did say
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Another senior administration official told CNN late Sunday that the closing of the U.S. Embassy was because of a specific, credible and ongoing threat. No additional details were provided.

So it would appear that there was no "pawn swap" but rather a reaction to a "specific, credible and ongoing threat"
You may love chess but I hope you don't try playing for money.

T.

It not only "would appear" but turns out to be a fact, to quote the President:

It now turns out that our intelligence community knew of other red flags that Al Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula sought to strike not only American targets in Yemen, but the United States itself. And we had information that this group was working with an individual who was known -- who we now know was in fact the individual involved in the Christmas attack.

You would need to be delusional based upon actions and consequence to think anything else. "Merc-land" - a place where pragmatic reality reigns!

BTW - Because I'm just as confident of this occuring....You'll have to forgive me - I was on a conference call and missed the speech live and had to use a less than acceptable reliable source for some on this site - FOX.

However at the time of my search - FOX was the only source I could find with a transcript of today's speech.

Maybe someone will point out how this quoted section was taken "out of context" or is a "misrepresentation" of what President Obama actually said.

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RE: The US Administration: Another Day - Another Surrender - 1/5/2010 4:00:07 PM

Mercnbeth

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Why would you think I was a mind reader or that the president checks with me on policy issues. The only question I could find that you asked based on the OP was the one based on the false premise that the young man trying to blow up an airplane was somehow responsible for a potential closing of an embassy.

I didn't, and still haven't asked you for the President's opinion - I asked for yours. I withdraw the question and let this and your other avoidances stand on their own.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
What will you do next...hold your breath or look at us in a disaproving manner?

No - I'll let the President's speech stand as my response.

On the matter of your prior position that the two actions, the "isolated extremist" and the closing of the embassy. I'll let the President speak for my original position. Obama has changed the label to the confirmed facts. Obama now calls him "a suspected terrorist". Guess he couldn't get around facing reality, huh? What about you?

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
Merc... what do you consider a "win"? Standing your ground against an enemy who has proven they will stop at nothing to attack you? Or saving lives while deciding what steps to take next?

I didn't create nor to I subscribe to a 'war' for "hearts & minds". That is the Administration's stated policy. It is in that scenario where my question originated and stands.

Closing the embassy may not have been the ultimate battle deciding the war. It was, at minimum, an opportunity to fight a battle on that principal - instead the Administration's reaction was to run away from it.

Which side won more "hearts & minds" in this exchange - a pawn for a closed, albeit temporary 'castle'.

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RE: The US Administration: Another Day - Another Surrender - 1/5/2010 4:21:46 PM

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Maybe someone will point out how this quoted section was taken "out of context" or is a "misrepresentation" of what President Obama actually said.

I read the link you posted and it does not say what you say it says. It makes no link between the airplane bomber and the proposed embassy closure.
So when are you going to post something that supports your position?

HST.

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RE: The US Administration: Another Day - Another Surrender - 1/5/2010 4:36:24 PM

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I didn't, and still haven't asked you for the President's opinion - I asked for yours.

No you did not here is what you asked me.

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Oustanding is the question about what that "greater strategy" is in consideration with other Adminitration stated policies; and how the ultimate goal of winning the "hearts & minds" is served.

After I answered this question you then asked.

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Sorry - My fault in thinking you would have you, or anyone else, would have an opinion of what that might be. But that would require reasoned thought instead of simple minded contrariness that you've exhibited to date. My error is in the belief that you had that ability.

first: Why the intentional obfuscation?
Seccond: Why would you expect me to have an opinion about something which the president has not briefed me on yet?

HST.

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RE: The US Administration: Another Day - Another Surrender - 1/5/2010 4:41:42 PM

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Ya know, if Obama had said nothing about the gentleman's intent at all, for a week (or however long it took), you'd spank him for stonewalling and indecisiveness.

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RE: The US Administration: Another Day - Another Surrender - 1/5/2010 4:53:02 PM

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Merc, why didnt you post anything like the Op when Bush had closed embassies for the same reason as Obama, including the one in Yemen ( twice, 2001 and 2008 )

It hardly fits in with your claim to be impartial.

As for comparing the bombing of a plane to be a pawn set against a building being closed for a day or two, your castle, enough said.

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RE: The US Administration: Another Day - Another Surrender - 1/5/2010 5:11:43 PM

Mercnbeth

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Merc, why didnt you post anything like the Op when Bush had closed embassies for the same reason as Obama, including the one in Yemen ( twice, 2001 and 2008 )

Polite,
I don't remember the subject coming up for comment - my position would be the same if someone started a thread on the subject in 2008. In 2001 I was in NYC and not a part of CM. However I don't remember the Bush administration backing away from the word 'terrorist'. I don't remember the perpetrators of the 9/11 attack ever considered "isolated extremists".

I repeat the question. As a Administration stated policy to win over the "hearts & minds" how did this action help to do so for the USA versus those behind and supporting the formerly known as "isolated extremist" now called "a suspected terrorist".

BTW - Do you 'suspect' that maybe Mr. Adbulmutallab just has a bad case of constipation and was using the bomb as a suppository?

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ORIGINAL: thornhappy

Ya know, if Obama had said nothing about the gentleman's intent at all, for a week (or however long it took), you'd spank him for stonewalling and indecisiveness.

Why make that assumption? If you read the OP there was nothing said about timing. What was pointed out, in the hopes of it being addressed, was the disconnection between stated policy and the actions taken.

There is no decision made by any administration in a vacuum. Just look at the words used by the President; "I will accept that intelligence by its nature is imperfect...""

Are you going to defend him? I will. I think that representation is truthful even considering in this case a 9/11 type phone call by the father warning of the impending mission. False and deliberately misleading 'intelligence' is an effective weapon. Look no further than the recent CIA deaths in Afghanistan caused by a 'double agent'. Yet was that answer sufficient from the prior White House resident?

I can never hope to be in agreement with any Administration. I can hope for consistency and or actions which support instead of contradict their rhetoric.

Did you really think all the changes in security and closing of embassy was coincidental? Did you really have to wait for Obama to clear that up for you? Obama painted himself into the corner with the "isolated extremist" label. Unfortunately for him, he has a way of doing that routinely. It's coming to light that Mr. Adbulmutallab had significant al Qaeda connections; not so "isolated". Did I cause that misrepresentation or did the Administration's rhetoric policy of politically correctness?

I save my "spankings" for beth. Critiquing, ideally using their own quotes and prior stated policy, is however a sadistic avocation I throughly enjoy whether at the expense of a politician or individuals on this site.

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