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RE: C-SPAN Letter To The Democrats: - 1/7/2010 4:43:59 PM   
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Even CBS is thumping on Obama's lies:

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Obama Reneges on Health Care Transparency


As a Candidate, President Obama Promised to Put Health Care Reform Negotiations on C-SPAN


(CBS)  President Obama wants the final negotiations on health care reform - a reconciliation of the House and Senate versions of the bill - put on a fast track, even if that means breaking an explicit campaign promise.

"The House and Senate plan to put together the final health care reform bill behind closed doors according to an agreement by top Democrats," House Speaker Nanci Pelosi said today at the White House.

The White House is on board with that, too, reports CBS News political correspondent Chip Reid. Press Secretary Robert Gibbs stressed today that "the president wants to get a bill to his desk as quickly as possible."

Special Report: Health Care Reform

During the campaign, though, candidate Obama regularly promised something different - to broadcast all such negotiations on C-SPAN, putting the entire process of pounding out health care reform out in the open. (That promise applied to the now-completed processing of forging House and Senate bills, too.)

Back when Republicans controlled Congress and George W. Bush was in the White House, it was Democrats who angrily complained about secret backroom deals.

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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/01/06/eveningnews/main6064298.shtml




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RE: C-SPAN Letter To The Democrats: - 1/7/2010 4:46:14 PM   
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Video: Jack Cafferty Rips Obama on Failed Openness Pledge: 'Just Another Lie Told for Political Expediency'

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RE: C-SPAN Letter To The Democrats: - 1/8/2010 4:00:04 AM   
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That does not matter when it supports the GOP, then any news source is acceptable, however if it proves facts against the GOP, then only GOD can  be the source (every thing else is liberal BS) and I have yet to see him have a post yet

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RE: C-SPAN Letter To The Democrats: - 1/8/2010 4:30:38 AM   
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Here is some GOP hypocrisy, strange how when your party does it, you never find fault with them. 

Plus you have somehow missed the post about all of Bushes broken promises when he ran for office

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/01/07/castle-stimulus-hypocrisy/

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/12/28/more-stimulus-hypocrisy/

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/08/27/stimulus-double-talk/

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/08/19/jindal-rail-recoveryact/

How come you're not upset that Jindal does not use his real name while in office or running for office "bobby" is not his real name.  Seems when a certain Dem was running you where offended he did not use his real name while he was in college

You can check one of your favorite responses below:

This link is not creditable, it is from the liberal press

I won't thread jump

It's O'bama fault and America will fail because of him

We are talking about O'bama, not the GOP

Just more liberal spin






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RE: C-SPAN Letter To The Democrats: - 1/8/2010 4:37:57 AM   
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If taz' source is respectable then there's certainly nothing wrong with a little Rush Limbaugh:
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RUSH: One of the things Democrats are mad at President Obama about is he is urging an excise tax on high cost insurance.  Even Pelosi is upset about this.  She doesn't want there to be any tax increase on the middle class, like Obama promised, but there are tax increases on everybody, including the middle class, throughout the Senate health care bill.  "The White House has long expressed a preference for the excise tax on high-cost plans."  What the House Democrats want is an increase in the income tax.  Obama and the Senate want an excise tax to the Cadillac plans.  "The Senate proposal would impose a 40 percent excise tax on the cost of individual insurance policies above $8,500 and on family policies above $23,000, with higher thresholds for retirees and employees in high-risk fields like police officers."  Forty percent excise tax.

And the Washington Post says: "Health-Care Reform Bill's Proposed Tax on High-Cost Plans Raises Questions."  The plans being taxed are not all Cadillacs in terms of lavish benefits.  Some are going to be taxed because of the state they're in, the type of business that they're in, and the age of their workers, all that drives up cost.  So another campaign promise being broken, and it's no big deal when a politician breaks a campaign promise, but with Obama the rumblings are small but they're starting to happen on the left now, on the Democrat side of things.  Gitmo, for example, has not been closed.  And this mess with counterterrorism, the counterterrorism chief, he was on the ski slope somewhere when he was told about the Christmas Day bomber.  He stayed on the ski slopes.  He did not come back to town to the Counterterrorism Center.  You can have the greatest system, quote, unquote, in the world, if you don't have good people running it, the great system is worthless, and we do not have great people running any of these systems.

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_010710/content/01125108.guest.html


Or Ann Coulter...

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LESS HEALTH CARE FOR MORE MONEY: WHAT'S THE CATCH?

The New York Times' Nicholas Kristof recently wrote a column about John Brodniak of Oregon, who developed a cavernous hemangioma, causing him great pain as blood leaks into his brain.

According to Kristof, Brodniak can't get medical help because we don't have universal health care. Senators who vote against ObamaCare, Kristof said, are morally equivalent to someone who would walk past a man "writhing in pain on the sidewalk."

In another article in the Times, William Yardley wrote about Melvin Tsosies -- also of Oregon -- who ended up with $200,000 in medical bills after having a heart attack.

As of March 2008, Yardley reported, Tsosies was waiting to find out if he would win the Oregon lottery for health insurance. But with 600,000 uninsured state residents and a "universal" health care program with only enough money to pay for about 24,000 of them, Tsosies is more likely to win a Powerball lottery.

How can this be happening? Oregon already has "universal health care"! (Probably just a coincidence, but isn't Oregon also the only state with physician-assisted suicide?)

Once again forgetting about the existence of the Internet, the Times neglects to mention its own erstwhile enthusiasm for Oregon's universal health care plan, introduced back in 1990.

http://www.anncoulter.com/cgi-local/article.cgi?article=346




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Breitbart is not an acceptable source.
Only full un edited vid clips are reliable from Breitbart, clips are BS
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RE: C-SPAN Letter To The Democrats: - 1/8/2010 4:41:44 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Video: Jack Cafferty Rips Obama on Failed Openness Pledge: 'Just Another Lie Told for Political Expediency'


Did he just say "crap" on air?

I thought that was one of those sinful words that must be bleeped.

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RE: C-SPAN Letter To The Democrats: - 1/8/2010 5:00:31 AM   
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ORIGINAL: housesub4you

Here is some GOP hypocrisy, strange how when your party does it, you never find fault with them. 

Plus you have somehow missed the post about all of Bushes broken promises when he ran for office

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/01/07/castle-stimulus-hypocrisy/

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/12/28/more-stimulus-hypocrisy/

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/08/27/stimulus-double-talk/

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/08/19/jindal-rail-recoveryact/




I love this one from your second link:


ThinkProgress has reported, House Republican Whip Eric Cantor (R-VA) recently hosted a job fair filled with jobs fueled by the stimulus, and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) has been taking credit for stimulus projects in his home state.


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RE: C-SPAN Letter To The Democrats: - 1/8/2010 5:31:24 AM   
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Oh, that's funny. "ThinkProgress has reported..." huh?



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I love this one from your second link:


ThinkProgress has reported, House Republican Whip Eric Cantor (R-VA) recently hosted a job fair filled with jobs fueled by the stimulus, and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) has been taking credit for stimulus projects in his home state.




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RE: C-SPAN Letter To The Democrats: - 1/8/2010 5:58:44 AM   
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I noticed you laughed, because I guess it's all you have left, you however did not offer anything to actually challenge the claims presented.

Once again when faced with "facts" the GOP and their supporter have nothing but the old tired tricks of acting like it's not true


Here is Luetkemeyer putting down the stim package on his own web site, and the second is him taking credit for projects created by the Stim money which he voted against

http://luetkemeyer.house.gov/index.cfm?sectionid=26&parentid=6&sectiontree=6,26&itemid=399

http://thepeoplestribune.com/?p=3258

And here he is whining for even more money from the Stim package even though he voted NO

http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/chas-beat/politics/2009/09/bipartisan-push-launched-to-get-more-stimulus-money-to-complete-page-avenue-highway/

http://www.firedupmissouri.com/content/luetkemeyer-still-singing-two-tunes-stimulus-money


Here is Cantor job fair,

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/69231-cantor-talks-jobs-in-virginia

And here is the Governor stating the money they received created jobs which

http://www.governor.virginia.gov/MediaRelations/newsReleases/viewRelease.cfm?id=1130


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RE: C-SPAN Letter To The Democrats: - 1/8/2010 6:52:30 AM   
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Whats funny is how rml and tazzy girl think anyone with a computer and a cause du jour is somehow a "reporter". My last few posts in this thread have been poking fun at them for that, its not surprising that went over your head though.

I didn't make any mention of the stimulus mess that the Democrats are so proud of. Now that you went off on that tangent, big deal if some Republicans want their grandchildren's tax monies going to their districts. if trillions of it is going to be haphazardly thrown at wasteful expenditures anyway.








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RE: C-SPAN Letter To The Democrats: - 1/8/2010 7:12:55 AM   
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Come now Sanity, you regularly post links which appear to be sound, authoritative journalism -  that turn out to be nothing more than blogs, selected to support your particular cause de jour.

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RE: C-SPAN Letter To The Democrats: - 1/8/2010 7:13:43 AM   
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Plus you have somehow missed the post about all of Bushes broken promises when he ran for office


9/11 changed things. When Bush was running we weren't at war with al-Qaeda, but shortly after he took office we suddenly were, and the economy was faltering due in large part to the destruction of the World Trade Center (as well as the aftermath).

Obama, he's just a blatant liar. Obama is saying "Fuck you, I don't give a shit what I promised you."

Honestly, I believe that Bush was very sincere and he meant everything that he ever said on the campaign trail. But Obama? He's one of guys who will say anything to get what he wants out of you, and all your needs are to him is a means through use you through promises and lies. 

Whether Bush was a good guy or not, Obama is proving what I say. When you guys come on here and say, "Well Obama is just a lying pos politician but so what, so was Bush", well thats weak, and you know it. We're not looking back for leadership potential any way, we're looking forward. Bush won't run again, and beside that Bush wasn't very Conservative.

Obama promised a certain amount of (fiscal) Conservatism, but he lied. What most people desire is a true Conservative who doesn't lay down all this bull shit. Someone who says what they mean even if all of it isn't what we want to hear and who actually walks the walk.


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RE: C-SPAN Letter To The Democrats: - 1/8/2010 7:16:44 AM   
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I don't post rushlimbaugh.com or anncoulter.com as a "news" sources though, the way tazzy girl and some others here try to use thinkprogress, etc.

They really seem to believe that huffpo and kos (and so on) are news sites. It must be the education system...

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Come now Sanity, you regularly post links which appear to be sound, authoritative journalism -  that turn out to be nothing more than blogs, selected to support your particular cause de jour.

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RE: C-SPAN Letter To The Democrats: - 1/8/2010 10:56:26 AM   
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....let's be fair. Obama did specifically say, on multiple occasions, that these specific debates would be televised on c-span. They are not being televised on c-span. Therefore he owes the US electorate an explanation.

Whether or not Bush (or any other politico) has broken promises in the past in not particulary relevant. Unless you're arguing from a totally partisan viewpoint. In which case i don't much care what you think.

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RE: C-SPAN Letter To The Democrats: - 1/9/2010 10:23:18 AM   
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John Stewart's even getting in on the act:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-january-7-2010/stealth-care-reform

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RE: C-SPAN Letter To The Democrats: - 1/9/2010 10:59:51 AM   
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You act as though no GOP running for office has ever not followed through on a campaign promise,  There are several in this thread that GWB made when he ran for president, he not did follow through on any of those,so when the GOP does not keep their promise's you seem OK with that...


The fact that George W. Bush did not live up to his campaign promises or reversed his stated policy isn't really a justification for Barack Obama to do the same thing. It's widely felt that the 2008 elections were a nation-wide repudiation of President Bush's administration and that his actions and those of his administration were abominable. To claim equivalency for the Obama administration is to say that it should be nationally repudiated and that he should be voted out of office at the first opportunity since he is no different than Bush - or to be taking the position that it's okay for a Democrat to do something but not okay for a Republican to do something.

The fact is that Barack Obama clearly stated on multiple occasions that the deliberations on health care would be publically shown on C-SPAN for the good of the American people. They were not. The two conclusions I can draw from this are either that he lied during his campaign or that it became obvious that allowing the public to view the debate on healthcare would so damage his and his allies popularity and credibility that he reversed his decision to protect himself and the congressional leaders. Neither of these actions was in the best interests of the public and I think less of the President for taking them.

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RE: C-SPAN Letter To The Democrats: - 1/9/2010 11:16:02 AM   
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I don't care for either of the obvious answers here.  A:  Candidate Obama was cynical liar of the worst sort when he made that promise, or B: The US is currently being led by someone that fucking naive.



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RE: C-SPAN Letter To The Democrats: - 1/9/2010 5:41:06 PM   
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If you look at the beginning of the thread, I do not support O'bama's decision, what I thought was interesting is how the GOP and their supporters never seem to apply the same critical thought to their own lies, those all seem to be OK with the party and their supporters.

to me it seems members of the GOP are more concerned about their party, then actually doing anything good for the country at this time.

Look at Cantor (hell, just about everyone in the GOP) he voted no for the Stim package, did not support it in any way, yet he goes back to his state and takes credit for jobs, projects which are a direct result of the money from the Stim package, he just forgets to tell anyone he voted against everything he is taking credit for,  But no one in the GOP sees this as a problem, it's business as usual. Lie to move the party ahead is the way they do business



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RE: C-SPAN Letter To The Democrats: - 1/9/2010 5:43:52 PM   
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So why don't you hold members of your own party to the same level?  Are you saying NO ONE in the GOP has lied to the people of this country? 

O'bama is being taken to task  on this issue from the left and from the right, even in this thread, there are posts showing DEM leaders speaking out about it

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RE: C-SPAN Letter To The Democrats: - 1/9/2010 5:46:33 PM   
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What a bunch of BS, It's OK when your guy does it but no one else.  and according to Rudy, no terrorist attacked the USA when Bush was in office, even though for several years there Rudy could not finish a sentence without "9/11" included in it.

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