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RE: Bush's Press Conference - 3/22/2006 12:04:53 PM   
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I'm going to catch a lot of crap for this but I have to speak up...


Not for speaking up per se...

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What the hell does this political comment have to do with this lifestyle and how does it benefit anyone?


I don't fuck people I don't like and I won't scene with them either. So anything is relevant in discovering who I will and won't like. I can deal with the left (not that there is much of a real left in the U.S.), and I can deal with the center - but too far to the right has never been a place where I find many friends. Am I limiting my possibilities? Maybe. I don't care.

I want to be valued for precisely who I am, on my terms - or not at all.

If all you want is a zipless fuck, why read the message boards at all?


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RE: Bush's Press Conference - 3/22/2006 12:05:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		"You need to retake your civics course.  You know,  you'll never win a meaningful election again if you can't bring reason and clarity to the debate."

My civics course taught that a democratic society, made up of the people not the Supreme Court or powerful corporate organizations, elects someone to serve the people, such as the President. All votes, not just some, are counted from all 50 states. In both the 2000 and the 2004 Presidential election, all votes were not counted, therefore the person who was given the title of President by the Supreme Court and those at the top who run this country did not win the election. Given that, I, as a free U.S. citizen, have the right not to call this man "President" but rather his official title, "Governor" because that's the last legal election he won, which was in the state of Texas.

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RE: Bush's Press Conference - 3/22/2006 12:05:39 PM   
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The extreme right wing wraps itself in the flag and says anyone who isnt with us 100 percent is a diviant draft dodging unpatriotic slime


No, that's what lefties who want to want to fend off critical analysis say about anyone brazen enough to challenge their positions. 

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I support the troops and want them home
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No you don't.  You just toss that line out there to try and inoculate yourself from criticism.    The troops believe in their mission.  The troops are doing a helluva job.  The troops are proud of the work that they are doing. 

If you truly want to support the troops, support the mission.

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RE: Bush's Press Conference - 3/22/2006 12:20:14 PM   
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You need to retake your civics course.  You know,  you'll never win a meaningful election again if you can't bring reason and clarity to the debate."

My civics course taught that a democratic society, made up of the people not the Supreme Court or powerful corporate organizations, elects someone to serve the people, such as the President. All votes, not just some, are counted from all 50 states. In both the 2000 and the 2004 Presidential election, all votes were not counted, therefore the person who was given the title of President by the Supreme Court and those at the top who run this country did not win the election. Given that, I, as a free U.S. citizen, have the right not to call this man "President" but rather his official title, "Governor" because that's the last legal election he won, which was in the state of Texas


Please, spare me the 'I was robbed' conspiracy theories.  As a US Citizen you are free to spout nonsense and stick your head up your butt all day long.  But that doesn't make you correct.   Not about 2000, and certainly not about 2004. 

All these rows have been plowed a hundred times.  And every time your "theories" have been demolished. 

Your energy might be better directed towards building an organization that can manage to field better candidates and espouse a political philosophy with more to offer than:

"those other guys, well, you know, they really suck and stuff, so you better elect us or else, you know, like, these guys are, like, you know, no good, not like us we're so wonderful, and, you know, if you elect us, for sure the world will, really man, be way cooler and everyone will just love us all up and want to give us big hugs, you know, and well, that's really a good thing, just like the old days when everything was gum drops and marshmallows, and besides, you know, WE DESERVE IT.

Just a thought.


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RE: Bush's Press Conference - 3/22/2006 12:23:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		"Please, spare me the 'I was robbed' conspiracy theories.  As a US Citizen you are free to spout nonsense and stick your head up your butt all day long.  But that doesn't make you correct.   Not about 2000, and certainly not about 2004. 

All these rows have been plowed a hundred times.  And every time your "theories" have been demolished."

It's probably best for you to go and listen to Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reily and we'll call it quits on this "debate" as it's going nowhere.
I wish you much happiness in your life.

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RE: Bush's Press Conference - 3/22/2006 12:30:43 PM   
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It's probably best for you to go and listen to Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reily and we'll call it quits on this "debate" as it's going nowhere.
I wish you much happiness in your life.


I do neither.  You can try and caricature me if it pleases you, I suppose that's easeir than trying to make the case for your fantasy based conspiracies. 

Reality is cool.  Feel free to join us.

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RE: Bush's Press Conference - 3/22/2006 12:39:24 PM   
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RE: Bush's Press Conference - 3/22/2006 12:59:09 PM   
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i would rather not vote until a viable, worthy candidate runs...but as long as the rich are the only ones that are able to run, we'll NEVER have a decent president.



I guess it depends on how you define rich.  By John Kerry's standards all other candidates are paupers.   But Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter, Bob Dole, Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford, Hubert Humphrey, Al Gore, Dwight Eisenhower, Harry Truman, Barry Goldwater, were not rich.  Not penniless, sure.  But not rich by standards most of us would agree to.    

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RE: Bush's Press Conference - 3/22/2006 1:36:35 PM   
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i would rather not vote until a viable, worthy candidate runs...but as long as the rich are the only ones that are able to run, we'll NEVER have a decent president.



I guess it depends on how you define rich.  By John Kerry's standards all other candidates are paupers.   But Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter, Bob Dole, Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford, Hubert Humphrey, Al Gore, Dwight Eisenhower, Harry Truman, Barry Goldwater, were not rich.  Not penniless, sure.  But not rich by standards most of us would agree to.    


As not all elections are about the president and at the lower levels, many candidates definitely not rich.

I just spent two month volunteering on the campaign of a city council candidate whose income tax showed a pre-tax income of  less than $20,000 last year.  She wasn't perfect by my standards but we shared enough in common so her candidacy was worth my time and energy.  In the election last week, we lost.

If someone claims to be cynical about the kind of presidential candidates we have, I'd suggest that he get off his ass and work for the ones on the lower strata.  Without volunteer help, the only kind of candidate we get is one who can afford to "buy" a staff.

Of course, it is a lot easier to try and claim some kind of moral high ground while camouflaging a basic laziness.  One can't even claim a lack of a needed skill as a cop-out for not volunteering.  Much of the work is mind-numbing routine, like stuffing envelopes.  Oh, an a lack of a car isn't an excuse either.  If one is willing put in the time, most campaigns will be willing to supply transporation.

Of course, some will still chant "none of the candidates are good enough for me."  It's easier than actually doing something.

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RE: Bush's Press Conference - 3/22/2006 1:47:42 PM   
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Of course, some will still chant "none of the candidates are good enough for me."  It's easier than actually doing something.

Bingo!  You get your choice of anything on the top shelf. 

~stef

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RE: Bush's Press Conference - 3/22/2006 1:50:29 PM   
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If someone claims to be cynical about the kind of presidential candidates we have, I'd suggest that he get off his ass and work for the ones on the lower strata.  Without volunteer help, the only kind of candidate we get is one who can afford to "buy" a staff.

Of course, it is a lot easier to try and claim some kind of moral high ground while camouflaging a basic laziness.  One can't even claim a lack of a needed skill as a cop-out for not volunteering.  Much of the work is mind-numbing routine, like stuffing envelopes.  Oh, an a lack of a car isn't an excuse either.  If one is willing put in the time, most campaigns will be willing to supply transporation.

Of course, some will still chant "none of the candidates are good enough for me."  It's easier than actually doing something.


Bravo.  Well said.  U da man.

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RE: Bush's Press Conference - 3/22/2006 1:56:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		i tried that crap with Jesse Jackson and he bailed before the polls opened...then there was Ross Perot...he didn't need any help...but he bailed too...the voting is rigged. those who might be worth a damn are strongarmed out of the race...so, why bother.


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RE: Bush's Press Conference - 3/22/2006 2:07:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's not rigged, but it is indeed tough.  Especially for someone trying to win election outside of the 2 predominant parties.  You've got to convince a lot of people that you are a winner.  And then you have to convince them to put their money where there mouth is and give you money [unless your Ross Perot or Gov Corzine].  Even tougher. 

Every person like you that throws up their hands and walks away makes it more difficult for the next out of the mainstream candidate to make a go of it.



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RE: Bush's Press Conference - 3/22/2006 3:32:25 PM   
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i tried that crap with Jesse Jackson and he bailed before the polls opened...then there was Ross Perot...he didn't need any help...but he bailed too...the voting is rigged. those who might be worth a damn are strongarmed out of the race...so, why bother.


Okay Mike, you've done your best. Rest now.

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RE: Bush's Press Conference - 3/22/2006 5:19:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: JimandAnn

I'm going to catch a lot of crap for this but I have to speak up... What the hell does this political comment have to do with this lifestyle and how does it benefit anyone? This is a BDSM lifestyle site not the Democratic National Comittee site...eveyone has opinions about politics but is this the proper place to air them? I don't think so.


Indeed.  This is a BDSM lifestyle site.  And this forum is an Off-Topic Discussion forum.  If you'd care to click back and read the description it states, "Open discussion of any and all topics of interest - world events, politics, culture, entertainment, etc."  Perhaps you should check your facts before you make judgements on where is the proper place to air what.

Edited to add: And if you'd read my later posts on this thread you would realize that I'm not a Democrat.

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RE: Bush's Press Conference - 3/22/2006 5:31:58 PM   
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As an addenum...Yes I do know this message board is "Off Topic"... however just realize that you are doing to these fine VOLUNTEER soldiers what they did to us in Vietnam...the only difference is that I had to wait 3 weeks to find out I was a baby killer...these troops hear it instantly


As valiantpirate said, presidential support is much different from support for our troops.  I do not have to agree with what our president does or says.  That does not mean that I'm condemning our troops.  Of course I don't want them in Iraq, to kill and be killed, but that does not mean that they do not deserve our unwavering support for the difficult job they do.  If you had checked your facts before you'd written you would realize that I volunteered my services in the US Army reserves as well.  209th Suppy Company (fuel supply).

Now, to you Ann, and Jim as well:  You do not have to like me or my opinions, nor do you have to respect them.  However, I do expect to be treated with a higher degree of civility than you have shown.  We are all adults here, after all, and should be conducting this discussion as such.

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RE: Bush's Press Conference - 3/22/2006 5:42:45 PM   
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I suggest that we (as a country) rent several apartments in Bagdad and send king george, henchman dick and the rest of them to live over there for a few months.

BTW, our "war on terror" is misnamed.  Terrorists are a police problem.  The military is not geared to deal with them.


Some would say it's King Dick and his henchman George. Personally, I think GW is a decent man who has made some fucked up decisions.....I voted for him, in part due to the Democrats fielding such horrible canidates.
 
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RE: Bush's Press Conference - 3/22/2006 5:44:43 PM   
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I have no respect for anyone who supports killing other people. This includes Governor Bush (not addressing him as President because he has not yet won a U.S. Presidential election).


Does that mean you go around saying "President Gore"? .....*grins*
 
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RE: Bush's Press Conference - 3/22/2006 5:49:30 PM   
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"And what in your alternative universe leads you to draw that conclusion?"

The alternative universe known as a democratic society where the people elect the President, not the Supreme Court or those with power.


The Dems efforts in Florida were a joke.....from recount upon recount to the hanging chads.....I hate the electoral college, and your man would have won if it did not exist, but until folks get fed up enough to enact change....
 
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RE: Bush's Press Conference - 3/22/2006 5:56:34 PM   
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The extreme right wing wraps itself in the flag and says anyone who isnt with us 100 percent is a diviant draft dodging unpatriotic slime


No, that's what lefties who want to want to fend off critical analysis say about anyone brazen enough to challenge their positions. 

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I support the troops and want them home
..

No you don't.  You just toss that line out there to try and inoculate yourself from criticism.    The troops believe in their mission.  The troops are doing a helluva job.  The troops are proud of the work that they are doing. 

If you truly want to support the troops, support the mission.


Probably you could find some of the troops that are not happy to be where they are and do not think W has his hat on straight. But I would guess most of them are determined to do what they've been sent to do.
 
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