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RE: Temporary Insanity, Universal Forces, and Punishment - 1/11/2010 7:26:48 AM   
ceebee


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There must be something in the water that is causing a rash of temprary insanity in subs. i too, have doen something I could keep quiet about and no one would be the wiser, but it's weighing heavily. i just have to figure out how to tell him.

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RE: Temporary Insanity, Universal Forces, and Punishment - 1/11/2010 10:02:37 AM   
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Hiya lovingpet,

I will answer your questions, as to how I have handled similar circumstances, as well as the reprecussions I have seen from handling it in different ways. The first thing you must grasp is that every slave, and every relationship is different, so what works for me and mine, may not for you.

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ORIGINAL: lovingpet

There's no question here really I guess. I just wonder about the whole mucked up mess. Would a "temporary insanity" sway other dominants to reconsider punishment?


In general no, but depending upon what it is that was done, and the mental state of the slave, it is a mitigating factor. I have run into the "temporary insanity" situation with three different slaves 1) I totally excused it, but it happened again and the expectation of allowing it to be excused was now there. 2) I have comforted and tried to be understanding, and now this also created an expectation that the behavior would be excused. 3) I have punished for it, but shown my slave that while I understand, I cannot excuse the behavior. Number 3 has actually worked the best in a high majority of the situations. It created the expectation that certain behavior would not be excusable, it allowed the slave to forgive themselves for what they had done because they were punished, it showed that while I can be understanding, the slave means enough to me to do the tough, but right thing. Out of the three slaves, one had some severe emotional issues that none of the above worked with.

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Does absence of that dominant presence during significant crisis and vulnerabilty excuse anything?


I have a rule that I will never command anything that I cannot enforce. This means that if I am absent, then my very absense may be the trigger that causes the behavior. Again I often still use option 3 above, but I also try to make sure that I do not set my slave up for failure.

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What if that absence was out of the dominant's hands?


I do not play the blame game, and slowly teaching my slave that the blame game does not matter. What matters is what ever the root problem is, then solutions are focused on. Failure to master my slave so that she fails, is the worst punishment I can suffer, but it is also the greatest motivator I have to learn from those situations.

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Does coming clean count for anything?


No. Complete honesty is a requirement, not something that is optional. There is no way to create trust without honesty, and that is from both sides of the relationship. While I am very stoic, do not often explain why I do things, I am always honest with my property. Before I will lie, I will just tell them I am not going to answer something, but more likely than not they get brutal honesty from me. Since I am brutally honest, I also have to time the answer, as that in itself can trigger an emotional response in people.

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How can we keep from something like this happening again?


There are no guarantees. All you can do is for both of you to examine and discuss the situation appropriately, and then trust him to make the proper decision. If you find yourself second guessing him, then this needs to be discussed as well. Deep trust is something developed, and is often the issue in a slave following difficult commands.

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I never wanted any of this to happen and neither did he. I just want to do better.

lovingpet


Life is what it is, and that is how you approach it. Sometimes it occurs with three steps forward, and two steps back. There are many things that factor into the approach, and how to handle it. Me and my girl have had a great amount of success using Internal Enslavement techniques over the last year, in addition to allowing her emotional episodes to cool off before a solution or discussion is approached. This has led to her being confined for a few short durations, but the results in the end were much better and Cognitive Behavioral Therapy is best applied when not in a highly charged emotional state.

Hope some of this helps.

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RE: Temporary Insanity, Universal Forces, and Punishment - 1/11/2010 11:37:19 AM   
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ceebee-

I'm sorry to hear you are at a similar place. I would encourage you to just let it out with humility, sincerity, and an open disposition. There are no guarantees in life, but one can hope to come out on the other side better and stronger together. Take good care!

Orion-

Thank you for the above. It is a pretty common thing for me to read what you say in responses and think that my partner could have very easily been the one to write it. You have very similar views and practices. My experiences in this matter have echoed what you discussed here. He has been of great comfort and understanding toward me, but recognizes the need to move on that punishment will bring.

He also shared your perspective about his own role in all this. He has been very careful in neither assigning blame (nor have I for that matter), but also taking upon himself any part his actions, inactions, etc have played. It upsets him that I went through this. He is well aware there was real suffering on my part that he did not wish for me and that his presence was all that was needed to help alleviate a great deal of it. I think we have grown from this and gotten an even better line on each other's needs.

I may not be looking forward to punishment (though in some ways I am), but I am thankful for the structure he has in place that I can count on. I may or may not always find it fair, but I will always find it a comfort and something I can rely upon. Consistency in love, respect, trust, and even discipline are very important to me and he nurtures me well by providing them with assurance. For us, even in the darker moments, love grows.

lovingpet

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RE: Temporary Insanity, Universal Forces, and Punishment - 1/11/2010 1:39:02 PM   
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I would put forth that it is those moments, that better define and build a relationship, be it one of D/s, M/s, "nilla" or friendship. It is easy for anyone to get through the good times, but it is the worst of times that test those things that are built.


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ORIGINAL: lovingpet

For us, even in the darker moments, love grows.

lovingpet


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RE: Temporary Insanity, Universal Forces, and Punishment - 1/11/2010 1:41:46 PM   
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Absolutely! I would also say that many times it brings back a keen awareness of that which may have become quite ordinary and remind us of just how extraordinary it truly is.

lovingpet

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

I would put forth that it is those moments, that better define and build a relationship, be it one of D/s, M/s, "nilla" or friendship. It is easy for anyone to get through the good times, but it is the worst of times that test those things that are built.


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ORIGINAL: lovingpet

For us, even in the darker moments, love grows.

lovingpet




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