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thornhappy -> RE: Airport Security (1/8/2010 9:22:33 AM)

This whole report is rife with bogus conspiracies.

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ORIGINAL: heartcream

J. Speer-Williams
Infowars.com
January 7, 2010
Boian Aleandrov, of the Center for Nonlinear Studies at Los alamos National Laboratory, however, has a very decided opinion regarding the dangers of T-rays: He tells us that T-rays tear apart human DNA.

Alexandrov, and his team at Los alamos, say that although the forces that T-rays exert are small, their resonant effects can “unzip” DNA strands, tearing them apart, thus creating bubbles in the strands that significantly interfere with gene expression and DNA replication. And whatever that means, it doesn’t sound good.

Moreover, it seems these T-ray scanners will be operated by non-healthcare, hourly wage-earners, not trained in radiation medicine or imaging. And who is to prevent massive radiation overdoses? What protection will be offered to pregnant women, children, or our reproductive organs?

If you are like me, it’s beginning to appear obvious that some power has far more interest in damaging our DNAs, than keeping us safe while flying

I posted in response to a similar topic on another thread - the report on unzipping DNA was done with high power levels, not the levels you'd be using on a security scanner.  No research's been done on low levels.

I'd bet that folks would use old school methods like pat-downs and/or wanding for pregnant women and children, just like you use alternative methods for people with implanted devices.

The concept that these ubiquitous cartels do everything they can to inhibit the development of our conciousness seems way, way out there.  Do you think that they promote the scanners just to damage us, so they can sell us treatments?

The idea that this would cause a cancer epidemic seems completely bogus to me. We're bombarded by cosmic rays while flying, and there are no cancer epidemics from that.



LafayetteLady -> RE: Airport Security (1/8/2010 5:46:44 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thornhappy

The idea that this would cause a cancer epidemic seems completely bogus to me. We're bombarded by cosmic rays while flying, and there are no cancer epidemics from that.



But you have to remember thornhappy, that they WANT the cancer epidemic. They have the cure after all, but the pharmaceutical companies want to make all that money off the cancer drugs. So the pharmaceutical companies are lobbying to get the scanners, the companies making the scanners will up the radiation so that everyone who flys gets cancer and the pharmaceuticals can reap the profits from all those cancer patients.

Don't you see? It is a conspiracy! It isn't about our freedom, or trying to make it safer to fly by making it more difficult for terrorists to get on the planes. It's all about the profits the drug companies will make from all those people they intentionally give cancer to!



heartcream -> RE: Airport Security (1/8/2010 7:48:17 PM)

Cosmic Rays are not necessarily harmful as all they really are are tangible bits of outer space. In my mind this could be a very good thing.

I would say we have much more disease on our planet that has been directly created by greedy beings and their lust for power no matter the cost, which basically is earthlings and their home and everything on it.

To me there is an epidemic of disease going on from this hidden agenda.



ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Airport Security (1/8/2010 10:55:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: stella41b

This is exactly how it was in Eastern Europe under the Soviet Bloc - people who are motivated by fear but suspicious of each other - and it keeps everything in place.



I don't want to derail the thread, but I have to say that that's a very interesting, and intriguing, observation. Fascinating, in fact. And you spent  a fair amount of time living in the East during those days, too, didn't you?

I have to ask; is this just a casual,  offhand comment, or a reasoned and substantive comparison? You've really piqued my curiosity.



lusciouslips19 -> RE: Airport Security (1/8/2010 11:22:30 PM)

I was thinking today with all the added security, that its much easier for Homeland Security to "beef up" on keeping an eye on "us", then to make changes in the beuracracy ,so that next time the different agencies can puzzle the pieces together. They had information before 9/11 that it would happen and they had info on the Underware Bomber. Warnings from his father even. No suitcase, no passsport, someone else paying. So its easier to get more stringent on "us" then to admit its not "us". Its "them"



thornhappy -> RE: Airport Security (1/9/2010 7:59:56 AM)

Cosmic rays are ionizing radiation, and are harmful to DNA in particular. 

If it's a hidden agenda, how do you know about it?

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ORIGINAL: heartcream

Cosmic Rays are not necessarily harmful as all they really are are tangible bits of outer space. In my mind this could be a very good thing.

I would say we have much more disease on our planet that has been directly created by greedy beings and their lust for power no matter the cost, which basically is earthlings and their home and everything on it.

To me there is an epidemic of disease going on from this hidden agenda.



thornhappy -> RE: Airport Security (1/9/2010 8:01:20 AM)

I be hoping this be sarcasm ;)

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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady


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ORIGINAL: thornhappy

The idea that this would cause a cancer epidemic seems completely bogus to me. We're bombarded by cosmic rays while flying, and there are no cancer epidemics from that.



But you have to remember thornhappy, that they WANT the cancer epidemic. They have the cure after all, but the pharmaceutical companies want to make all that money off the cancer drugs. So the pharmaceutical companies are lobbying to get the scanners, the companies making the scanners will up the radiation so that everyone who flys gets cancer and the pharmaceuticals can reap the profits from all those cancer patients.

Don't you see? It is a conspiracy! It isn't about our freedom, or trying to make it safer to fly by making it more difficult for terrorists to get on the planes. It's all about the profits the drug companies will make from all those people they intentionally give cancer to!



heartcream -> RE: Airport Security (1/9/2010 11:10:57 AM)

Yes I see the news about cosmic rays being potentially harmful but I wonder what the word is for the cosmic elements here on the planet that are not harmful.

If something is hidden does not mean it is invisible.



barelynangel -> RE: Airport Security (1/9/2010 11:47:16 AM)

I am curious == how many people who are freaking out about these scanners for supposed health reasons, 1 - drive cars, 2 use cell phones, 3 use computers, 4 use microwaves, just to name a few things?

i mean ALL of these things have been said to very possibly cause cancer and health issues in people if they are used and for some used frequently --- yet you choose to use them yes?

angel



heartcream -> RE: Airport Security (1/9/2010 11:53:26 AM)

Yeah I do have a computer and it has a thing on it to defuse the electro-magnetic waves, whether it works or not, not sure but it is the best I can do at this point. I dont have a car, a cell phone or a microwave. I love to travel, love it, love it. If I had the opportunity to go meet up with some of my friends I would truly want to jump at said chance. Would I feel sickened to the marrow and nervous and afraid to go through the mess called security? Very much yes. Would it stop me? Maybe. Is that pathetic and horrid? More sad yesses.

Our world is wonky. We create, have created, things that are not healthy for us and our planet. Sometimes it is more than deliberate and other times it is simply a case of not being aware enough. I would say we have come a far way from being completely unconscious/ignorant about the effects all these things have on us and the pretty planet.

Necessity will help us re-design, we are masters at it. Looking around at all the feats of engineering and design we as a race have come up with is proof positive we can do it.

The argument that we have shitty apparatus that we use to get by, therefore more shitty apparatus is no biggie is a not a valid argument in my book.

Re-designing these wonderful feats of technology is the way to go.

Like Ted Turner said, Richard Bronson didnt invest billions of dollars into the green reality because it is the superior moral high-road but because it is brilliant business sense right now.

There is a way out of this and I think we will get there.



barelynangel -> RE: Airport Security (1/9/2010 1:01:12 PM)

I am curious heartscream, how do you get around. You use buses drive in other people's cars and such yes? I didn't say who owned a car but i guess i should have said who drives in a car or auto transport because if you do, then you are placing yourself in a situation wherein you are willing exposing yourself to possible cancerous and illness risks. This is simply another form of public transportation. Hell even planes themselves emit pollution and such which is said to possibly cause illness and cancer. They say many planes are in and of themselves dangerous to fly in. Yet people have been jumping on them even after the news stated this. YOu are actually taking a chance everytime you board one that what they say is true -- its safe. But yet people still fly even with this known possibility of the plane isn't all that safe. I am not sure why this would worry you health reason why unless you worry out everytime a car passes you on the street or yui board transportation or walk down the street that has pollution in the air etc.

The fact of the matter is, if you willing submit yourself for convenience in many areas of your life, trying to say these may not be healthy so shouldn't be used, makes it a weak argument. i personally think the "safety" issue of these scanners are the LEAST supportive of any disagreement with them, in a court of law people would have to prove that THESE scanners actually was what it was that caused the illness you would have -- and its too easy for the defense to bring up all kinds of things people submit themselves to that have been said to POSSIBLY or may cause cancer or illness. Ad all in all if they ever had an x-ray willingly, there goes their case for all intent and purposes. I mean it would be that you submitted yourself to this technology for a luxury and convenience of being able to fly. It could probably be excused for health xrays because that is your health you are submitting to these for -- but you willing flew. You didn't have too. There is no way to narrow it down to this concept.

I think people will have better luck with privacy issues than health issues of the scanners. It will be interesting watching it play out.

angel



domiguy -> RE: Airport Security (1/9/2010 1:37:31 PM)

barely, this is bullshit.  It is a forum.  You are supposed to have opinions.

Just because I have a strong opinion on a matter does not mean that I should have petitions signed or write letters.

If I went back and reviewed your posts and found where you offered up an opinion could you stand up to your own test?  Did you make a public stand.

this is a little insignificant bdsm forum.  Deal with it.

Hypocrite.



barelynangel -> RE: Airport Security (1/9/2010 1:51:41 PM)

chuckles, domiguy you really don't impress me like you do so many on this forum. But let's really review my posts and what OPINIONS i spoke of:

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Just out of curiosity kittinsol, since you seem to be the one who is utterly pissed off -- what steps are you taking or should others take to express their displeasure (grins outside the message board where it may do some good lol)? I am sure you have been writing people and places or organizing lobbying to help thwart all this stuff yes?


This speaks of kittinsol being UTTERLY PISSED OFF about something happening IN our courtry.

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Many people know how to whinge and moan,


I really doubt you can find me whinging and moaning about something in this forum that has to do with things happening in the world that i haven't actually taken action on over the years. But please do find some if you can within the context of what i have posted here.

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know people who are passionate


Again there is a word in there that my point was about -- PEOPLE WHO ARE PASSIONATE and yet sit and whinge and moan about it.


Am i a hypocrit, no, things i feel important about in life such as the context of this thread, i DO AND HAVE taken actions when i want change. I also work in law, have worked in politics, have been a part of organizations and written letters and even spoke with politicians as well as been a part of fundraisers, recruiting people for the causes, charities are a big thing i am a part of now more so than the political arena. I have even turned down a 80,000 dollar a year salary with great benefits job that defended death penalty cases that i was headhunted for because i do believe in the death penalty. I have taken jobs and volunteered at domestic violence advocate shelters and such because i believe in support and laws that need to protect. I knew Dick Devine who was the State Attorney in Chicago and others spoke with him on many occassions about certain causes mostly victim witness needs in the criminal court system. As i said i am not much on politics anymore but i do know how to take actions when i am really passionate things and want change.


So domiguy save your bullshit for the actuality of what i speak -- i am speaking of those people THAT UTTERLY Passionate who sit around bitching and moaning who don't do anything but bitch and moan.

anything else you want to spew out of context of what my point was? You don't impress me domiguy, so while you think you have DECREED something --- you simply spoke of a concept i never mentioned. I give opinions all over the board, as do most, however, when i am PASSIONATE about a subject i do TAKE ACTION outside of the boards.

Feeling stupid yet that you didn't really READ what i was speaking about? Oh but you wouldn't admit such a thing would you, may take away from your i am king cause people worship me on here idea.

Oh and you will probably find a couple posts of mine wherein i do post links and such to things i feel strongly about that people can easily participate in -- most recently it was in the "Biggest Loser Thread" where i posted a link where people can go sign up for a pound loss pledge and the Biggest Loser will send a pound of food for your pledges to your area food bank.

For those that are interested in contributing:
Don't forget to sign up for the pound for pound challenge

http://www.pfpchallenge.com/

So sorry but nope, i actually do take actions about things i am passionate about that i preach about online or in discussions.

Its ironic that you believe this forum with as many people that are on it is insignificant with regard to participation especially in the offtopic forum? I am not saying for EVERY topic but damn, if someone is going to have a melt down on a topic because they desperately don't want something to happen, giving out information could easily grasp a couple people and every little bit helps if you think of a wave idea -- i person tells another where to take action who meets up and tells another how to take action and wooola action outside of just ONE person.

This board is not as insignificant as you think in the course if people average citizens it reachs. Its also why this website advertises and people put links to their stores online etc in signature -- because this website as far as people it reaches is not all that insignificant.


angel



thornhappy -> RE: Airport Security (1/9/2010 1:59:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: barelynangel

I am curious == how many people who are freaking out about these scanners for supposed health reasons, 1 - drive cars, 2 use cell phones, 3 use computers, 4 use microwaves, just to name a few things?

i mean ALL of these things have been said to very possibly cause cancer and health issues in people if they are used and for some used frequently --- yet you choose to use them yes?

angel

1) Microwaves do not cause cancer.
2) The jury's still out on cell phones (there are a lot of issues with the studies).
3) Computers don't cause cancer (there was yet another scare about computer monitor EMF back when we all used CRTs.  It was bogus.)  The only other health issues with computers relate to muscle and joint pain from bad posture ;)

thornhappy the rf/microwave engineer



barelynangel -> RE: Airport Security (1/9/2010 2:02:30 PM)

thornhappy, there is research out there that says just the opposite lol So what's the truth? There is conflicting info on many of these ideas. That was my point. I have no clue what's true or not but its information i have heard over the years and some of it was pretty convincing.

angel



domiguy -> RE: Airport Security (1/9/2010 2:09:16 PM)

Oh lil' barely,

Pleeeez, there are so many things that I am utterly pissed off about that are going on in this country...Choose your battles wisely.

You want to write letters about the wart in Iraq...Knock your socks off. 

You want to make calls and write letters about all of the tarp funds....Go right on ahead.

On and on and fucking on....

All you might gain is carpal tunnel, few responses and many wasted hours of your life never to be recaptured.  

There are battles that cannot be won.  It doesn't mean that you can't be pissed off, terribly pissed off.



barelynangel -> RE: Airport Security (1/9/2010 2:16:51 PM)

grins not so little domiguy,

Actually, i've done more than write letters, i have actually had hands on in many of my "causes" As i said most are not about politics, they have been about domestic violence laws and victim witness laws and such in the criminal venue. And many are my charities i enjoy helping people. Being in law, you find a lot of issues are incredible and need attention.

i am sad you really think that there are battles that just can't be won. What ever happened to trying. The thing is what's that damn quote?

Try is the first part of triumph. Yeah unfortunately there are things that are hard to change, but if you don't try you will never know.

To me, why waste your energy being JUST pissed off , use that energy to actually DO something productive with the anger. Its not all letter writing, its lobbying and getting out there and in the face of people (grins one thing you would probably enjoy Domiguy). SOmetimes it creates a rush all on its own.

All in all, to me, if people are soo pissed off they have melt downs cause people disagree with them - that is energy far more needed in action rather than words.

grins yoiur last statement is ironic as we both sit on a website message board talking about time never to be recaptured lol. Eh, ya gotta love chosen entertainment of people.

angel



domiguy -> RE: Airport Security (1/9/2010 2:19:13 PM)

barely, First off, I saw no melt down.  Secondly you are a hypocrite.

End of the story



barelynangel -> RE: Airport Security (1/9/2010 2:25:07 PM)

Lets see, i did see a melt down and how am i a hypocrit in that i do actually take action about what i am passionate about.

Oh but wait, you decreed it -- i guess your followers will bow down to you now. lol

grins, its been interesting, but i am not convinced sorry.

angel

I don't think i have ever asked you of this but please do not call me barely, my name is angel or barelynangel. The name as a whole is special to me and angel is my offline nickname. Thank you.



domiguy -> RE: Airport Security (1/9/2010 2:49:52 PM)

Relax, barely.



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