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RE: Airport Security - 1/9/2010 3:13:20 PM   
thornhappy


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thornhappy, there is research out there that says just the opposite lol So what's the truth? There is conflicting info on many of these ideas. That was my point. I have no clue what's true or not but its information i have heard over the years and some of it was pretty convincing.

angel

Where is this research, and what topic is it about (you had multiple topics above)?

The problem is that a lot of these studies are very poorly designed, are statistically weak, or have bad theory behind them.  You need some background in stats, design of experiments, and electrical/electronics engineering (including electromagnetics).  With some physiology thrown in for good measure.

Then there's the whole "correlation must equal causality" issue in many scares.

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RE: Airport Security - 1/9/2010 3:27:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: barelynangel

thornhappy, there is research out there that says just the opposite lol So what's the truth? There is conflicting info on many of these ideas. That was my point. I have no clue what's true or not but its information i have heard over the years and some of it was pretty convincing.

angel

Where is this research, and what topic is it about (you had multiple topics above)?

The problem is that a lot of these studies are very poorly designed, are statistically weak, or have bad theory behind them.  You need some background in stats, design of experiments, and electrical/electronics engineering (including electromagnetics).  With some physiology thrown in for good measure.

Then there's the whole "correlation must equal causality" issue in many scares.



thornhappy, that is the whole point that angel is making. There is research out there that says just about everything is bad for you. Statistics are easily manipulated to say what you want (not that they are falsifying the documentation, just spinning the available to their advantage), yet everyday we see something in the news being touted as "bad" or "cancer" causing. Remember the hoopla about eggs? Beef? Red Wine?

The whole point is that you can't take the sketchy data about the health risks of one thing yet ignore the sketchy data about others when both are reporting similar "health hazards." If you want to, you can find potential risks in everything. But flying is, like it or not, a choice. If someone is so up in freaking arms about their privacy don't get on the fucking plane. If the bank suddenly wants your thumb print to access your account and you don't like it, pull your damn money out and stuff it under your mattress.

Yes, the world is about making money, no one is going to deny that. Hell, Oscar Schindler didn't initially become involved the way he did to save Jews, he did it to make money, he was very open that that was his purpose. It doesn't in the end change the outcome, but it wasn't why he got into it. Does that make what he did less valuable? There are what? About ten thousand "Schindler Jews" who would tell you that what he did was very valuable.

You and angel are on the same side, I think you are just misunderstanding her point.

Domiguy,

To continue to call her barely, when she politely asked you not to speaks volumes about your lack of character. Stick to making the off color jokes, since whatever the hell you wrote here really made no point. To assist your apparent lack of reading comprehension, it isn't angel's issue to fight, she isn't the one complaining. Angel, like me, do actively fight for the things we are passionate for and do what we can to affect change. We don't rant and rave like some lunatic waving unsubstantiated data. We get mad and take action. Big difference.

So stick to the insulting "gash" jokes. They seem to be your forte.

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RE: Airport Security - 1/9/2010 3:28:40 PM   
barelynangel


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Status: offline 		Thornhappy lol i deleted this cause LafayetteLady explained what i meant. I have no clue where the articles are now and yes gullible or not, i believe my microwave is emitting things that are not good for me or emitting things on my food that i willingly eat, i just know i have read them - just as i have read that they don't. So i guess i should ask myself which ireally believe lol. Pretty much everything has a this is bad for you article and most people don't have the education specific such as what you mentioned is needed to decipher the truth for yourself.

angel

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RE: Airport Security - 1/9/2010 3:38:14 PM   
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Lets see, i did see a melt down and how am i a hypocrit in that i do actually take action about what i am passionate about.

Oh but wait, you decreed it -- i guess your followers will bow down to you now. lol

grins, its been interesting, but i am not convinced sorry.

angel

I don't think i have ever asked you of this but please do not call me barely, my name is angel or barelynangel. The name as a whole is special to me and angel is my offline nickname. Thank you.


I think you passionately winge at people whilst sitting in judgement of them. Perhaps you should start a letter writing campaign against them. Maybe it will get rid of that holier than though tone.

I know you're always right. So write some letters or campaign against all of us lazy whiners. Or just sit there feeling superior. M'Kay?

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RE: Airport Security - 1/9/2010 3:40:35 PM   
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Domiguy,

To continue to call her barely, when she politely asked you not to speaks volumes about your lack of character. Stick to making the off color jokes, since whatever the hell you wrote here really made no point. To assist your apparent lack of reading comprehension, it isn't angel's issue to fight, she isn't the one complaining. Angel, like me, do actively fight for the things we are passionate for and do what we can to affect change. We don't rant and rave like some lunatic waving unsubstantiated data. We get mad and take action. Big difference.

So stick to the insulting "gash" jokes. They seem to be your forte.



I am pretty handy around the gash.

however, just because you claim to be proactive doesn't make it so.   It is the customary and usual trait of the domme to expound upon the things that they have never accomplished.

Just because I have strong ideas and opinions on a subject does not mean that my opinions are invalid because I do not take my opinions to the next level.

that is a ridiculous notion.

I have to write my congressman or President everytime I really get pissed off about the war?  Fuck no.

It also won't do any good.  Choose your battles.

Do I dig the fact that there are now more scanners at the airport? Fuck no.

We have become a nation of pussies. Allowing our freedoms to be stripped away in the name of "The war on terror."

Maybe some of these things are necessary maybe some are not.  I don't trust th gov't very much.

barely, You take the word that something is safe because of the convenience factor. 

People have done the same when taking vioxx for arthritis.  Didn't work out very well for so many.

I trust few.


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RE: Airport Security - 1/9/2010 3:42:35 PM   
barelynangel


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Status: offline 		rolls my eyes, yeah and your tone when you run around shaking a finger i am not supposed to see in the same way you see my posts?

And domiguy calls me a hypocrit lol.

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RE: Airport Security - 1/9/2010 3:47:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: barelynangel

rolls my eyes, yeah and your tone when you run around shaking a finger i am not supposed to see in the same way you see my posts?

And domiguy calls me a hypocrit lol.


barely, you are.  You think because that someone feels strongly and has strong opinions about a subject that they have to  take action in order to validate them.

Dumb notion. 

Tell me, do you always take this course of action yourself?

You are a blowhard.  hold yourself up to the light.  How much have you completed and what were the end results?  How many plans or things that you have been adamant at acheiving actually got done?

I see bullshit all of the time. We are all accountable when called out.

So. What about you?

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RE: Airport Security - 1/9/2010 3:48:01 PM   
lusciouslips19


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rolls my eyes, yeah and your tone when you run around shaking a finger i am not supposed to see in the same way you see my posts?

And domiguy calls me a hypocrit lol.


Well, Im not telling people they cant complain on a forum unless they start a campaign as an avenger either!

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RE: Airport Security - 1/9/2010 3:49:37 PM   
domiguy


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ORIGINAL: barelynangel

rolls my eyes, yeah and your tone when you run around shaking a finger i am not supposed to see in the same way you see my posts?

And domiguy calls me a hypocrit lol.


Well, Im not telling people they cant complain on a forum unless they start a campaign as an avenger either!


Precisely.

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RE: Airport Security - 1/9/2010 3:50:29 PM   
barelynangel


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Status: offline 		Domiguy, just out of morbid curiosity are you really that much of an ass you keep calling me barely because of same. I mean if that's why you keep doing it please let me know. Or are you that much of a child you keep doing it because you know i don't like it?

It has to be one or the other because you seem intelligent on some occassions which tells me you could understand my request to you. So please let me know which it is.

angel

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RE: Airport Security - 1/9/2010 3:53:17 PM   
domiguy


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Status: offline 		bare...it's faster to type, people call me Domi all of the time...I don't really get in a twist over it.

If you have such strong feelings about the matter have you contacted or written a mod?   barely, I don't see how complaining about it out here is really going to change one thing.

See?

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RE: Airport Security - 1/9/2010 3:57:06 PM   
barelynangel


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Status: offline 		laughs actually ANGEL is shorter and therefor faster to type. So excuse me if i don't believe you.

I don't care what YOU like or don't have an issue over. I use this full nickname as tribute to a great friend of mine who died in front of me who one day said i am barely an angel. So sorry if you don't APPROVE of my not appreciating assholes and children as you are showing me you are shorting it arbitrarily. angel as i said is my offline nickname.

I didn't think i needed your permission to dislike the shortening of my nickname and requesting NICELY for you not to do so.

So i am going to chalk it up to both, you are deliberately being an asshole and childishly baiting me. Which also tells me you have nothing useful i need to read about.

Thanks for the clarification.

angel

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RE: Airport Security - 1/9/2010 3:59:30 PM   
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barely, you are.  You think because that someone feels strongly and has strong opinions about a subject that they have to  take action in order to validate them.



That really isn't the point. One thing I will say about you, Domiguy. Other than your previous statement with all the "fuck no's," you are not on a message board ranting and raving about how your rights are being violated, blah blah blah. The majority of people love to sit back and play the "oh it is so wrong, how can they do this to me, it's dangerous to my health, it promotes child pornography' (I really liked that one), on and on. But that is all they will do is complain.

I admit I didn't vote. Not for Obama or McCain or anyone else. I also don't complain about what Obama is doing or not doing. I didn't vote at all, so I can't complain about the results. Do I laugh when Sarah Palin makes an ass out of herself? Of course, doesn't everyone?

You believe that writing a letter or getting involved won't change things. Didn't all the protesters help to get us out of Vietnam? Haven't protesters help to maintain the rights of a woman to choose? Protesters got both women and blacks the right to vote. Protests ended segregation. The list goes on and on.

No one is saying that we live in a perfect world, and no one is saying that people don't have a right to complain about the imperfections. What people like angel and myself DO say is that sitting around and complaining does nothing to resolve the problem, rather it just makes you sound like a whiny baby. If something bothers you that much, then do something about it. If you feel you don't have the power to do it on your own, find groups to join that do. But if all you can manage to do is sit back and complain and try to convince people it is all a conspiracy for corporate america to make money, you are part of the problem. Inaction will beget inertia. Inaction has never been a force for change and never will be.

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RE: Airport Security - 1/9/2010 4:03:42 PM   
barelynangel


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Status: offline 		LafayetteLady,you say it much bette than i do. To me, inaction does infact invalidate opinions because without actions, opinions are just white noise - easily tuned out. And again i am talking about PASSIONATE topics for people not every bloody opinion they have.

thanks for saying it better then i have.

angel

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RE: Airport Security - 1/9/2010 4:11:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Theres lots of arguments and rants here. Its ludicrous to be told we have to picket or write letters or canvass,just because we are unhappy. This is a forum. We are allowed to express our views, just as everyone else. If Kittensol wants to rant, its her perogative. Being told she cant rant unless she takes action is a value judgement. Its also telling her how she should behave. We are adults here and Last I checked there is nothing madatory or in TOS about having to picket to complain.

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RE: Airport Security - 1/9/2010 4:16:00 PM   
barelynangel


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Status: offline 		Last i checked there is nothing mandatory in the TOS about my saying people should get out there and stand for their beliefs if they are going to be PASSIONATE ABOUT THEM on a fucking discussion board lol. OR my belief that inaction does in fact invalidate opinions down to nothing but white noise.

So i guess we are both right lucious lips, so seriously, give up YOUR holier than thou mentality you tend to get when you don't agree with people. You tend to do what you accuse others of so you really aren't all that i am soo perfect you like to portray.


quote:

We are allowed to express our views, just as everyone else.


OHH but i am not allowed to express MY VIEWS. So what you are saying is youare a hypocrit, if your shaking your finger at me is accurate.

angel




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RE: Airport Security - 1/9/2010 4:17:42 PM   
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Thornhappy lol i deleted this cause LafayetteLady explained what i meant. I have no clue where the articles are now and yes gullible or not, i believe my microwave is emitting things that are not good for me or emitting things on my food that i willingly eat, i just know i have read them - just as i have read that they don't. So i guess i should ask myself which ireally believe lol. Pretty much everything has a this is bad for you article and most people don't have the education specific such as what you mentioned is needed to decipher the truth for yourself.

angel

There's a spec for microwaves that limits the amount of rf getting out the door, and typical ones are far below spec (that was actually a homework problem for one of my classes.)

As for the articles, you need to go back to the reference study.  Another thing to do is look for any critiques of the studies.  A third thing is to wait for the results to be duplicated.

The last one is especially handy for things like "vitamin X lowers the rate of XYZ cancer/disease", or "activity/chemical X causes cancer Y/condition Z."

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RE: Airport Security - 1/9/2010 4:18:53 PM   
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Refusing to vote is not a vote against the system. It is abdicating your responsibility and since you mentioned it, a hard won right, especially for women


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RE: Airport Security - 1/9/2010 4:19:18 PM   
barelynangel


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Status: offline 		Thornhappy, really i appreciate the info but its not that deep for me. I have read articles as i have, i have made a decision and i use what i do lol. I am not that interested in this to put that much effort into it. But i also won't be accusing my microwave if i get an illness.

angel

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RE: Airport Security - 1/9/2010 4:21:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thank you angel,

We are in the same line of work (I think), so it is easy for me to see where you are coming from.

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Theres lots of arguments and rants here. Its ludicrous to be told we have to picket or write letters or canvass,just because we are unhappy. This is a forum. We are allowed to express our views, just as everyone else. If Kittensol wants to rant, its her perogative. Being told she cant rant unless she takes action is a value judgement. Its also telling her how she should behave. We are adults here and Last I checked there is nothing madatory or in TOS about having to picket to complain.



There is nothing wrong with ranting. In fact, when someone starts off saying "this is a rant" or "I really need to vent" I've yet to see anyone respond as they did here. Kittensol's "rant" was all about how her "personal freedoms" are being taken away. First of all, they aren't. Right to free speech, right to vote, right to bear arms, those are personal freedoms. Right to get on a plane? Not a "personal freedom" guaranteed by the constitution.

Typically ranting and venting involved the "I can't believe how much "X" sucks." It doesn't involve pissing and moaning about the injustice and the conspiracy theory that it is all because jumbo corporations want to make money. Yes, typically rants may involve the inability to see the "whole picture." But every time someone is ranting, venting or just plain bitching, and someone offers solutions or asks them what they might be doing about it, they don't respond by further ranting and raving and being insulting.

I disagreed with her "conspiracy theory" and was called ignorant. So was angel. Both of us presented documentable facts that everything she was claiming was not necessarily true. Then it becomes "borderline" pornography and the potential misuse of the scans of women and children. Talk about overkill and not really being able to back up your point.


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