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willbeurdaddy -> RE: Prison voting headed to U.S. Supreme Court? State leaders say yes (1/9/2010 12:57:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig So far nobody has advanced a really good reason why prisoners should NOT be allowed to vote, does anybody have one...other than they did a crime so they should have the vote taken away. If you feel that way...why? One could ask "If criminals have broken the law, why should they keep the vote ? " My own opinion is this, without laws, or at least a consensus of do`s and donts`, society would be chaotic. If someone decides to break the law, with no regard for societal agreements, why should they then vote on any other aspects regarding society. When all is said and done, they have chosen, for the most part, to work outside of the system. this

thompsonx -> RE: Prison voting headed to U.S. Supreme Court? State leaders say yes (1/12/2010 1:06:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Voting is the most basic right ? What, more basic than not being murdered by some thug ? To suggest people who would deny criminals the right to vote, and next the Jews, is beyond obnoxious to my way of thinking. Its quite simple, and I dont see why you cant see it either, if you want to take part of society, take part in all of it, including the law. As has been pointed out previously 70% of the people in prison are there on drug related charges...not rape, pillage,murder or plunder. What kind of logic says that you are no longer competent to vote because you got caught smoking marijuana? HST. HST

Moonhead -> RE: Prison voting headed to U.S. Supreme Court? State leaders say yes (1/12/2010 1:47:40 PM)
Well you're not deemed incompetent to be elected to the presidency if you've been caught with a spliff or snorting coke, so I don't see why it should disqualify anybody from voting, either. Though the spectacle of the big man in a cellblock insisting that all of his bitches and anybody who doesn't fancy becoming one votes for the candidate he likes isn't going to do much for democracy.

marine87 -> RE: Prison voting headed to U.S. Supreme Court? State leaders say yes (1/12/2010 2:16:44 PM)
In the idea of having rights and them being a privlege I can say its true in a military standpoint. Although we are citizens and "guardians of the Constitution" we sacrifice many basic rights in doing so. I dont have freedom from search and seizure, cannot bear arms within military housing or barracks, freedom of speech...give me a break. I can honestly give a rats ass what these prisoners want when our own Military is willing to sacrifice many freedoms in return for discipline and honoring our superior officers. This might be a little off topic but my rhetorical question is Why should prisoners have more rights than US Marines or any other service member? I beg arpig to give me a half decent response to this. Im not even gonna mention the pain in the ass it is to even vote for any election you would think they'd make it easier for us.. Daniel

Moonhead -> RE: Prison voting headed to U.S. Supreme Court? State leaders say yes (1/12/2010 2:42:45 PM)
Excellent points, but do you at least have the vote, however difficult the administration makes it for you.

housesub4you -> RE: Prison voting headed to U.S. Supreme Court? State leaders say yes (1/12/2010 2:48:11 PM)
The same logic that says if you get a DUI, you lose your drivers license. It really does not matter the crime, you broke the law, you give up rights. Hell, I think it's unfair that prisoners get free internet service, while our military has to pay for it while serving in Iraq. Yea, my nephew just came back and you can't believe the BS our military personal are putting up with while over here people are fighting for the rights of people in prisons. Talk about backwards

SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: Prison voting headed to U.S. Supreme Court? State leaders say yes (1/12/2010 2:50:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brain I believe everyone has the right to vote, especially prisoners... What is so special about prisoners? Next you'll be saying they should be allowed on a jury?[:D] Personally I think if you break the rules of society you shouldn't be given a say as to how society progresses. It would be draconian if voting rights were permanently taken away but this isn't the case.

marine87 -> RE: Prison voting headed to U.S. Supreme Court? State leaders say yes (1/12/2010 3:01:24 PM)
quote: Hell, I think it's unfair that prisoners get free internet service, while our military has to pay for it while serving in Iraq. Just an idea at least at the Air base that Im at it ranges from 10$ a day to 20$ a week and 60$ a month for download speeds slower than dial-up. Aside from that you're limitied to 100Kb's a day god forbid you use webcam for too long you get services cut without warning. Oh the joys of Capitalism hehe. We can vote legally but you have to be very persistent on making time to find the right person who can lead you in the right direction. Luckily my mom was able to get me an absentee ballot while I saw her on leave. 90% of people I know dont vote since its a hassle.

Moonhead -> RE: Prison voting headed to U.S. Supreme Court? State leaders say yes (1/12/2010 3:02:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3 It would be draconian if voting rights were permanently taken away but this isn't the case. Isn't that how the three strikes and you're out business works, though? There's a pretty big chunk of the American prison population who are only ever going to leave in a box.

DomImus -> RE: Prison voting headed to U.S. Supreme Court? State leaders say yes (1/12/2010 4:03:15 PM)
If you are convicted of a felony you lose certain rights. Some of them are returned after incarceration/supervision (voting) and some are not (firearms ownership). I think the system is fine the way it is.

thompsonx -> RE: Prison voting headed to U.S. Supreme Court? State leaders say yes (1/12/2010 4:15:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: marine87 In the idea of having rights and them being a privlege I can say its true in a military standpoint. Although we are citizens and "guardians of the Constitution" we sacrifice many basic rights in doing so. I dont have freedom from search and seizure, cannot bear arms within military housing or barracks, freedom of speech...give me a break. I can honestly give a rats ass what these prisoners want when our own Military is willing to sacrifice many freedoms in return for discipline and honoring our superior officers. This might be a little off topic but my rhetorical question is Why should prisoners have more rights than US Marines or any other service member? I beg arpig to give me a half decent response to this. Im not even gonna mention the pain in the ass it is to even vote for any election you would think they'd make it easier for us.. Daniel Stop snortin' the pogy bait and come into the real world. The prisoners are civilians you aint. Remember also that 70% of them are in the brig for drug related charges ...ya know like enough pot to actually have a party. I don't know what part of the suck you are in but I don't remember giving up any rights. You can turn your ID card in anytime you got the balls. As to your rhetorical question the answer is that you are both citizens of the U.S. As for voting I voted in Cuba,Columbia,and Viet nam all three times fully armed...maybe things have changed...maybe your marine corps is different. HST.

thompsonx -> RE: Prison voting headed to U.S. Supreme Court? State leaders say yes (1/12/2010 4:21:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomImus If you are convicted of a felony you lose certain rights. Some of them are returned after incarceration/supervision (voting) and some are not (firearms ownership). I think the system is fine the way it is. You had a bag of weed(under an ounce) that got you felony time. Now you cannot own a gun....you OK with that? You are driving a little over the speed limit and a kid runs out in front of you and you try to miss him but you kill the little fucker ....felony manslaughter. Now you cannot own a gun...you OK with that? HST

Slavehandsome -> RE: Prison voting headed to U.S. Supreme Court? State leaders say yes (1/12/2010 4:22:20 PM)
First off, Active Military votes are never counted unless there's a recount declared. However, more importantly, if we allow prisoners to vote, it still won't matter, because they'll get those electronic voting machines that don't print a receipt, just like the taxpayers use. Not to mention the fact that being a Representative Republic that uses an Electoral College, the popular vote doesn't matter anyway. Viva le People's Republic of America! Slavehandsome

mnottertail -> RE: Prison voting headed to U.S. Supreme Court? State leaders say yes (1/12/2010 4:23:26 PM)
can I just say this little something something here? What the Fuck?

SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: Prison voting headed to U.S. Supreme Court? State leaders say yes (1/12/2010 4:27:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead quote: ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3 It would be draconian if voting rights were permanently taken away but this isn't the case. Isn't that how the three strikes and you're out business works, though? There's a pretty big chunk of the American prison population who are only ever going to leave in a box. I'm not a great believer in the three strikes system. So it seems more apt to get rid of it rather than use the fact it adds significant numbers to the prison population to justify voting rights for prisoners.

mnottertail -> RE: Prison voting headed to U.S. Supreme Court? State leaders say yes (1/12/2010 4:32:18 PM)
well, as tax revenues decline so are prison populations, it costs alot to keep a funnie guy in the slam.

thompsonx -> RE: Prison voting headed to U.S. Supreme Court? State leaders say yes (1/12/2010 4:33:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Slavehandsome First off, Active Military votes are never counted unless there's a recount declared. However, more importantly, if we allow prisoners to vote, it still won't matter, because they'll get those electronic voting machines that don't print a receipt, just like the taxpayers use. Not to mention the fact that being a Representative Republic that uses an Electoral College, the popular vote doesn't matter anyway. Viva le People's Republic of America! Slavehandsome You know...they actually teach this in school. The problem is that very few care. The rest go on the regularly scheduled "easter egg hunt" and complain how the other side cheated. HST

Slavehandsome -> RE: Prison voting headed to U.S. Supreme Court? State leaders say yes (1/12/2010 4:38:59 PM)
and the media makes it such a pretty circus.

DomImus -> RE: Prison voting headed to U.S. Supreme Court? State leaders say yes (1/12/2010 5:54:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: DomImus If you are convicted of a felony you lose certain rights. Some of them are returned after incarceration/supervision (voting) and some are not (firearms ownership). I think the system is fine the way it is. You had a bag of weed(under an ounce) that got you felony time. Now you cannot own a gun....you OK with that? You are driving a little over the speed limit and a kid runs out in front of you and you try to miss him but you kill the little fucker ....felony manslaughter. Now you cannot own a gun...you OK with that? HST Example One - yeah, I'm ok with it. Pot is illegal and possession of it is against the law. Pardon me if I think that only responsible, law abiding citizens should be allowed to own firearms. Example Two: I doubt that would go down as felony manslaughter unless you had smoked that bag of weed beforehand. If you had then you deserve felony manslaughter and you no longer deserve the right to own a firearm. See example one.

InvisibleBlack -> RE: Prison voting headed to U.S. Supreme Court? State leaders say yes (1/12/2010 5:54:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: Slavehandsome First off, Active Military votes are never counted unless there's a recount declared. However, more importantly, if we allow prisoners to vote, it still won't matter, because they'll get those electronic voting machines that don't print a receipt, just like the taxpayers use. Not to mention the fact that being a Representative Republic that uses an Electoral College, the popular vote doesn't matter anyway. Viva le People's Republic of America! Slavehandsome You know...they actually teach this in school. The problem is that very few care. The rest go on the regularly scheduled "easter egg hunt" and complain how the other side cheated. HST Wait a minute ... they teach in school that active military ballots are not counted unless there's a recount!? I must've missed that during class.

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