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jlf1961 -> RE: right wingers losing their memories? (1/11/2010 2:03:34 PM)
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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy
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Actually, I am surprised that the GOP has forgotten that they left a economic mess for Obama, as well as the statements that "no terrorist attacks occurred during the bush administration."
except the economic mess was not caused by the GOP.
Actually, the current economic mess can be traced to October 1982, when then President Ronald Reagan signed into Law the Garn-St. Germain Depository Institutions Act, which began the process of Banking deregulation that helped contribute to the savings and loan crises of the late 80's/early 90's, and the financial crises of 2007-2010. President Reagan stated at the signing, "all in all, I think we hit the jackpot".
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The same lack of coordination that Obama is getting flack for concerning the christmas day bombing attempt is exactly like the lack of coordination between intelligence agencies that allowed 9/11 to happen. The only difference is, the out going intelligence people tried to tell their replacements that there was intel indicating an upcoming attack but no one listened.
wrong. the only difference is that the procedures that were in place that resulted in no succesful domestic attacks for 7 years were dismantled. there were no effective procedures in place 9.11
And yet it is a matter of record that the Bush administration was warned that Intelligence sources indicated that an attack was forth coming and the Bush administration ignored the information from out going Clinton appointees.
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The GOP is also forgetting that the only President who actually came close to taking out Osama Bin Laden was Clinton.
We dont forget that he blew the opportunity to take him or kill him.
Shortly after the September 11 attacks it was revealed that President Clinton had signed a directive authorizing the CIA to apprehend bin Laden and bring him to the United States to stand trial after the 1998 United States embassy bombings in Africa; if taking bin Laden alive was deemed impossible, then deadly force was authorized.
On August 20, 1998, 66 cruise missiles launched by United States Navy ships in the Arabian Sea struck bin Laden's training camps near Khost in Afghanistan, narrowly missing him by a few hours.
In 1999 the CIA, together with Pakistani military intelligence, had prepared a team of approximately 60 Pakistani commandos to infiltrate Afghanistan to capture or kill bin Laden, but the plan was aborted by the 1999 Pakistani coup d'état.
In 2000, foreign operatives working on behalf of the CIA had fired a rocket-propelled grenade at a convoy of vehicles in which bin Laden was traveling through the mountains of Afghanistan, hitting one of the vehicles but not the one in which bin Laden was riding.
Now during the Bush Administration, The Washington Post reported that the US government concluded that Osama bin Laden was present during the Battle of Tora Bora, Afghanistan in late 2001, and according to civilian and military officials with first-hand knowledge, failure by the US to commit US ground troops to hunt him led to his escape and was the gravest failure by the US in the war against al Qaeda. Intelligence officials have assembled what they believe to be decisive evidence, from contemporary and subsequent interrogations and intercepted communications, that bin Laden began the battle of Tora Bora inside the cave complex along Afghanistan's mountainous eastern border.
The Washington Post also reported that the CIA unit composed of their special operations paramilitary forces dedicated to capturing Osama was shut down in late 2005.
US and Afghanistan forces raided the mountain caves in Tora Bora between 14–16 August 2007. The military was drawn to the area after receiving intelligence of a pre-Ramadan meeting held by al Qaeda members. After killing dozens of al Qaeda and Taliban members, they did not find either Osama bin Laden or Ayman al Zawahiri.
Why did the Bush Administration shut down the unit tasked with getting Osama Bin Laden?
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The difference between Bush and Obama is that in closing Gitmo, Obama is not releasing anyone without trial or review.
no difference at all. Every Bush release was subject to review. nice try.
Well, with the evidence supporting the fact that former detainees are active with Al-Qaeda in the Arab Peninsula, I think the review standards under the Bush Administration speak for themselves.
As for the rest, any simple search on the internet will yield the information since it is public record. It proves that a Democrat President was proactive in operations against Al-Qaeda.
There were also no blatant lies told to justify invading a country which 1) did not have weapons of mass destruction, and 2) Had no ties to Al-Qaeda and Bin Laden. Both reasons were given at separate times to justify the invasion of Iraq.
It is also a matter of Public Record that then President Bush was told that the US military "Did not have the manpower or assets to effectively fight a two front war." President Bush chose to ignore the recommendations and invade.
Funny thing is that when I was growing up, it was the Republican party that was the party that got us out of a war that dealt primarily with insurgent forces.
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BAGHDAD — An unpublished, 513-page federal history of the U.S.-led reconstruction of Iraq depicts an effort crippled before the invasion by Pentagon planners who were hostile to the idea of rebuilding a foreign country, and then molded into a $100 billion failure by bureaucratic turf wars, spiraling violence and ignorance of the basic elements of Iraqi society and infrastructure.
"Hard Lessons: The Iraq Reconstruction Experience," the first official account of its kind, is circulating in draft form here and in Washington among a tight circle of technical reviewers, policy experts and senior officials. It also concludes that when the reconstruction began to lag - particularly in the critical area of rebuilding the Iraqi police and army - the Pentagon simply put out inflated measures of progress to cover up the failures.
In one passage, for example, former Secretary of State Colin Powell is quoted as saying that in the months after the 2003 invasion, the Defense Department "kept inventing numbers of Iraqi security forces - the number would jump 20,000 a week! 'We now have 80,000, we now have 100,000, we now have 120,000."'
Full article is available here Government report details the failures of rebuilding Iraq
This is a 2008 article that clearly shows the Bush Administration failed in their plans for rebuilding Iraq. It also shows the blatant and falsified claims given by Bush appointees to try and prove that there was actually some progress being made.
It may be a little side note to point out that the first attempt at Health Care Reform was attempted by Teddy Roosevelt, a REPUBLICAN,on February 6, 1974, Nixon introduced the Comprehensive Health Insurance Act. Nixon's plan would have mandated employers to purchase health insurance for their employees, and in addition provided a federal health plan, similar to Medicaid, that any American could join by paying on a sliding scale based on income. In 1985 Reagen signed the COBRA act, president, Bush signed into law the Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement, and Modernization Act which included a prescription drug plan for elderly and disabled Americans.
It seems that Health Care Reform is a good thing when a Republican is pushing the idea, but a bad one when it is a Democrat. Bush in his race against Kerry was a proponent of Health Care Reform, and he had a republican congress to get any health care package passed... it is also a matter of record that after the medicare prescription drug plan nothing else was done.
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