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An examination of family pedigrees revealed that gay men had more homosexual male relatives through maternal than through paternal lineages, suggesting a linkage to the X chromosome. Dean Hamer23 found such an association at region Xq28. If male sexual orientation was influenced by a gene on Xq28, then gay brothers should share more than 50% of their alleles at this region, whereas their heterosexual brothers should share less than 50% of their alleles. In the absence of such an association, then both types of brothers should display 50% allele sharing. An analysis of 40 pairs of gay brothers and found that they shared 82% of their alleles in the Xq28 region, which was much greater than the 50% allele sharing that would be expected by chance.24 However, a follow-up study by the same research group, using 32 pairs of gay brothers and found only 67% allele sharing, which was much closer to the 50% expected by chance.25 Attempts by Rice et al. to repeat the Hamer study resulted in only 46% allele sharing, insignificantly different from chance, contradicting the Hamer results.26 At the same time, an unpublished study by Alan Sanders (University of Chicago) corroborated the Rice results.27 Ultimately, no gene or gene product from the Xq28 region was ever identified that affected sexual orientation. When Jonathan Marks (an evolutionary biologist) asked Hamer what percentage of homosexuality he thought his results explained, his answer was that he thought it explained 5% of male homosexuality. Marks' response was, "There is no science other than behavioral genetics in which you can leave 97.5% of a phenomenon unexplained and get headlines."28 Sexual preference or orientation? If homosexual orientation were completely genetic, one would expect that it would not change over the course of one's life. For females, sexual preference does seem to change over time.

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A 5-year study of lesbians found that over a quarter of these women relinquished their lesbian/bisexual identities during this period: half reclaimed heterosexual identities and half gave up all identity labels.29

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In a survey of young minority women (16-23 years of age), half of the participants changed their sexual identities more than once during the two-year survey period.30 In another study of subjects who were recruited from organizations that serve lesbian/gay/bisexual youths (ages 14 to 21 years) in New York City, the percentage that changed from a lesbian/gay/bisexual orientation to a heterosexual orientation was 5% over the period of just 12 months (the length of the survey).31 Other studies have confirmed that sexual orientation is not fixed in all individuals, but can change over time, especially in women.32 A recent example of an orientation change occurred with The Advocate's "Person of the Year" for 2005. Kerry Pacer was the youngest gay advocate, chosen for her initiation of a "gay-straight alliance" at White County High School in Cleveland, Georgia. However, four years later, she is raising her one year old daughter, along with the baby's father.33 Obviously, for at least some individuals, being gay or straight is something they can choose.

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It always amazes me when people say that they were born gay. Looking back on my own experience, I would never say that I was "born straight." I really didn't have any interest in females until about the seventh grade. Before that time, they weren't really interesting, since they weren't interested in sports or riding bikes or anything else I liked to do.

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Homosexuality and Darwinism I am not a huge fan of Neo Darwinian evolution. Nevertheless, there is some clear evidence that natural selection (and sexual selection) does act upon populations and has acted on our own species to produce racial differences.34 Natural selection postulates that those genetic mutations that favor survival and reproduction will be selected, whereas those that compromise survival and reproduction will be eliminated. Obviously, a gene or series of genes that produce non-reproducing individuals (i.e., those who express pure homosexual behavior) will be rapidly eliminated from any population. So, it would be expected that any "gay gene" would be efficiently removed from a population.

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However, it is possible that a gene favoring male homosexuality could "hide" within the human genome if it were located on the X-chromosome, where it could be carried by reproducing females, and not be subject to negative selection by non-reproducing males. In order to survive, the gene(s) would be expected to be associated with higher reproductive capacity in women who carry it (compensating for the generation of non-reproducing males).
I can't imagine a genetic scenario in which female homosexuality would ever persist within a population.

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if you are going to adopt please get a child from America that is if your background is not messed up. i am tired of people going over seas to get a baby. there are plenty of children right here who needs a good home.

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what do you mean about "if your background is not messed up" to AquaticSub?

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god did not make people gay.....it is the devils work of being gay!!! case closed

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Its just more paperwork and recognition is completely irrelevant....   The only thing that counts is "standing" within the law, keeping in mind law trumps statutes.

We have the infinite right to contract, and that right is possibly the most upheld right people have.......you can even "contract" to "waive" your right if you want.  (which is what government regulated marriage does)

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And AquaticSub - I hope that you and Val(I can't spell the rest without looking it up, sorry) have already started to do the paperwork for the adoption. Even overseas can take years. There is always also the option of adopting an older child, which can be done much quicker. I know there has been a lot of press in recent years about adoptions going tits up, but more adoptions are completed happily than are turned around. I wish you all the best on the adoption. Adoptive parents are extra special, because they want that baby that much more. Just the opinion of an adopted child.

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if you are going to adopt please get a child from America that is if your background is not messed up. i am tired of people going over seas to get a baby. there are plenty of children right here who needs a good home.

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For those who site the bible, how many follow all the laws laid out in Leviticus or do they honestly believe God was only joking about not eating lobster?  Are you actually prepared to make male homosexuality a capitol crime punishable by death as indicated in Leviticus 20:13?  Can anyone site a bible verse that says anything about Lesbian relationships?

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god did not make people gay.....it is the devils work of being gay!!! case closed

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if you are going to adopt please get a child from America that is if your background is not messed up. i am tired of people going over seas to get a baby. there are plenty of children right here who needs a good home.

Apartheid, homophobia, and xenophobia? I won't go into that wishing that people with certain characteristics be removed from humanity. So this is the way to serve the Lord?

Hmmm, interesting.

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Its just more paperwork and recognition is completely irrelevant....   The only thing that counts is "standing" within the law, keeping in mind law trumps statutes.

We have the infinite right to contract, and that right is possibly the most upheld right people have.......you can even "contract" to "waive" your right if you want.  (which is what government regulated marriage does)

First of all, what exactly do you think the "law" is? Obviously you don't know, so let me clarify it for you. STATUTES are the laws. When you break a law you are violating a statute.

Statutes "can be" laws but they are not laws they are administrative codes used by the government.

the basis for all law is consideration of the parties.   As an example we can all pretty much agree that murdering your mom and dad would be a bad thing.  Thou Shalt Not Murder.  ---  is Law

Likewise with stealing --- thou shalt not covet.

That is why they wrote up the UCC in an attempt to bring it closer to home....

Then you have the maxim of law (again based on the bible), that no man can control another against his will.

Which gives us the distinction between law that which you imbed yourself and statute that which someone else tries to imbed you.


In the United States, MARRIAGE is a legal CONTRACT. You do not have the "infinite" right to contract. You can't contract for things that are illegal, and you can not waive all of your legal rights in all circumstances.

Not as a citizen you are correct but as a sovereign you most certainly can.  The only way you cant and I agree to the extent that they have built in "some" safety nets, is if they rush to your aid...and come to your defense and that is subjective.

Now as for marriage it is a sacred contract, and bringing into the state does absolutely nothing for you aside allowing them to get into your pants.

The reason people use the state IMO is because they do not know of the old ways and they do not know how to manage their own affairs simply because it has never been taught..........and then they turn right around and cry rivers that government is oppressive....  its like getting married to a wife beater then crying about the bruises.

When the CONTRACT you have "negotiated" has a problem, and someone wants out of the contract, that is what the LAW does...define whether the parameters of the contract were reasonable and just. So at the end of the contract, if one of the parties is not holding up their end of the agreement, the parties go to Court to assist in the contract being upheld.

Well law just defines the contract and the contract IS the law.   No law does not define what is fair and just, it just identifies the boundaries and elements of the contract.  Well they hold court actually....  I dont mean to nitpick but the problem with law is that things do not mean what we think they mean....  They have their own little club and their own little language to go with that little club.  The problem of course with court is not the battle is to be decided by people who have no clue of the intent of the contract except that which is in writing.  the problem of course with writing is the verb adverb modifiers that can and does give these people who have to decide several options of definition to choose from which if you are not aware can wind up interpreting your case contrary to any intended meaning. 

In other words, you basically have no clue about the legality of a contract and your belief that there is a difference between "law" and "statutes" just solidifies that fact.

Of course I do and Law trumps legal...  just another one of theose pesky distinctions they forget to teach people...

Not all laws are based in religion. Yes, many "laws" have developed out of religious doctrine, however, as society has evolved, so has the law. When the bible was written, guns did not exist. Gun laws were developed because guns were developed.

Well the kings would supply their vassals with weapons...  You see you use the term guns and the term used in the constitution is arms....its because arms does not restrict it to any given specific implement and opens it up for the implements of the time....  So what theat means much to the disatisfaction of many is that if nukes are the weapon of the time then nukes are what the arms are.

Kings used to arm the people to protect the kingdom against attack in the event of an all out overtake situation.

The "common law" is based on what is for the "common good." Yes, the bible says that murder is wrong, but I don't think there are many people that are going to say that having laws against murder goes against the interests of society.

Here is the definition of common law




Carmeldelight,

You obviously want to represent yourself as a Christian.

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For those who site the bible, how many follow all the laws laid out in Leviticus or do they honestly believe God was only joking about not eating lobster?  Are you actually prepared to make male homosexuality a capitol crime punishable by death as indicated in Leviticus 20:13?  Can anyone site a bible verse that says anything about Lesbian relationships?

Good luck with this, trying to reason with people who's position is based on brainwashing is difficult to say the least. While the indoctrination can be deprogrammed by getting them to think through their position for themselves with questioning such as this, it's a long frustrating process. Keep in mind that the people taking this position likely have decades of conditioning telling them that gay people will bring the wrath of god own upon them. It's difficult to get someone to reason through that over the internet, especially when it's constantly being reinforced by their community and by weekly brainwashing sessions.