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eyesopened -> Why are people afraid of same-sex marriage? (1/9/2010 6:19:46 AM)
It was brought up in another thread. I'd like some additional information and discussion. My opinion is that as a religious ceremony any religion can ban it as whatever fits their particular dogma. My opinion is that as a civil ceremony, marriage should be as free from discrimination as anything else. There are laws against discrimination in hiring practices, housing, eligibility for social services and the like. Any state that bans same-sex marriage is breaking its own discrimination laws. In other words, the ban itself could be considered a hate crime. For those who site the bible, how many follow all the laws laid out in Leviticus or do they honestly believe God was only joking about not eating lobster? Are you actually prepared to make male homosexuality a capitol crime punishable by death as indicated in Leviticus 20:13? Can anyone site a bible verse that says anything about Lesbian relationships?

Real0ne -> RE: Why are people afraid of same-sex marriage? (1/9/2010 6:27:44 AM)
regardless of what you believe whatever you believe is your religion. the monetary system is heavily based on levites. The problem with marriage is that people do not understand it. I want to know why people fight so hard to have "government" recognition of marriage when marriage is nothing more than a "private" partnership contract between 2 people and has nothing to do with either the "public" government or the church. Is there some kind of benefit in giving the government or the church a piece of their personal action, (governance), in the bedroom et al.... Government and property rights, inheritance can all be worked around contractually. Why depend on the public side to approve the private side?

tazzygirl -> RE: Why are people afraid of same-sex marriage? (1/9/2010 6:31:15 AM)
Because if the state or government does not recognize the union, then the benefits from said unions are not valid... for example.. life insurance, health benefits, IRS filings.

Real0ne -> RE: Why are people afraid of same-sex marriage? (1/9/2010 6:44:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Because if the state or government does not recognize the union, then the benefits from said unions are not valid... for example.. life insurance, health benefits, IRS filings. I have found none... Its just more paperwork and recognition is completely irrelevant.... The only thing that counts is "standing" within the law, keeping in mind law trumps statutes. We have the infinite right to contract, and that right is possibly the most upheld right people have.......you can even "contract" to "waive" your right if you want. (which is what government regulated marriage does) First allowing the public into your private life is acquiescence and acceptance of implied power of attorney to regulate you. Next when it is done that way we move from exercising our full sovereign rights granted by God to government granted privileges, and that which the government granteth the government taketh away.....at any time. So then I guess that takes us to the buy off.... What are they giving you as a privilege that you cannot have by claim of right?......

Moonhead -> RE: Why are people afraid of same-sex marriage? (1/9/2010 6:45:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: eyesopened It was brought up in another thread. I'd like some additional information and discussion. My opinion is that as a religious ceremony any religion can ban it as whatever fits their particular dogma. My opinion is that as a civil ceremony, marriage should be as free from discrimination as anything else. There are laws against discrimination in hiring practices, housing, eligibility for social services and the like. Any state that bans same-sex marriage is breaking its own discrimination laws. In other words, the ban itself could be considered a hate crime. For those who site the bible, how many follow all the laws laid out in Leviticus or do they honestly believe God was only joking about not eating lobster? Are you actually prepared to make male homosexuality a capitol crime punishable by death as indicated in Leviticus 20:13? Can anyone site a bible verse that says anything about Lesbian relationships? I don't think any of the godbotherers have killed their daughter because she was raped and the rapist refused to marry her, either. The religious nutcases who do that one these days tend to be muslims not Christians, I've noticed.

tazzygirl -> RE: Why are people afraid of same-sex marriage? (1/9/2010 6:50:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Because if the state or government does not recognize the union, then the benefits from said unions are not valid... for example.. life insurance, health benefits, IRS filings. I have found none... Its just more paperwork and recognition is completely irrelevant.... The only thing that counts is "standing" within the law, keeping in mind law trumps statutes. We have the infinite right to contract, and that right is possibly the most upheld right people have.......you can even "contract" to "waive" your right if you want. (which is what government regulated marriage does) First allowing the public into your private life is acquiescence and acceptance of implied power of attorney to regulate you. Next when it is done that way we move from exercising our full sovereign rights granted by God to government granted privileges, and that which the government granteth the government taketh away.....at any time. So then I guess that takes us to the buy off.... What are they giving you as a privilege that you cannot have by claim of right?...... Perhaps they would not be benefits for you. This discussion has been brought up here and other places on the CM boards. Not everyone sees this issue as you do, real. seperate but equal just doesnt work for many people... understandably.

eyesopened -> RE: Why are people afraid of same-sex marriage? (1/9/2010 6:59:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Because if the state or government does not recognize the union, then the benefits from said unions are not valid... for example.. life insurance, health benefits, IRS filings. I have found none... Its just more paperwork and recognition is completely irrelevant.... The only thing that counts is "standing" within the law, keeping in mind law trumps statutes. We have the infinite right to contract, and that right is possibly the most upheld right people have.......you can even "contract" to "waive" your right if you want. (which is what government regulated marriage does) First allowing the public into your private life is acquiescence and acceptance of implied power of attorney to regulate you. Next when it is done that way we move from exercising our full sovereign rights granted by God to government granted privileges, and that which the government granteth the government taketh away.....at any time. So then I guess that takes us to the buy off.... What are they giving you as a privilege that you cannot have by claim of right?...... I do understand your point. But here is an example: My HMO allows for "life partners" to be insured no differently than "spouse". My Master's health insurance does not. They will insure the employee, the employee's legal spouse, legal children and step-children only. Since my employment is secondary in our household and since I will retire from work althogther within the next 5 years, it makes little sense at this time to insure my Master under my plan. As heterosexuals, we have the option of getting married to be covered under His plan. My Master will never marry me but we do have that as an option. Gays do not have that option. There is no civil contract one could file to force His insurance carrier to insure us as life-partners.

kdsub -> RE: Why are people afraid of same-sex marriage? (1/9/2010 7:25:12 AM)
I believe you can forget religion as the true reason people are against same sex marriage...remember most so called religious people ignore their religions teachings on birth control and still a small majority are for abortion rights under certain conditions... The vast majority of Christians don't even attend church regularly...Sooo what is the real reason? It is pure and simple prejudice. It is built in our brains at a very basic level that homosexual sex is wrong. We have no control of this feeling it is just there…In the same way the feelings of incest is there….Or sex with children is there… I am just talking feelings not connections between the three. I have a small fetish…occasionally liking to dress in women’s hose and panties...a very very small part of me. BUT when I see other men dressed the same way I quickly close the picture or link in almost revulsion… the same with man to man sex no way do I want to see it …It makes my skin crawl. Now on a personal level saying the above and personally doing something is conflicting but no less the truth. This has nothing to do with me personally at least as prejudice but I think it does for the majority. They just can’t say... each to their own... and realize homosexuality is not chosen but people are born with or without the inclination and it is as much a part of nature as heterosexuals are. Butch PS... they are not afraid just dead against it.

Real0ne -> RE: Why are people afraid of same-sex marriage? (1/9/2010 7:25:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: eyesopened There is no civil contract one could file to force His insurance carrier to insure us as life-partners. Thats for most intents and purposes correct. However we need to ask the question what is insurance? Its a surety bond. The carrier is the middle man. You would need to bond yourself listing the purpose of the bond then send it to the appropriate agency(ies). They have a choice to accept it or reject it. With the exception to traffic where most states have a minimum requirement for liability they could care less who you put on your bond. My state is finally making provisions for it for traffic but they want me to sign it over with "them" as the principal and it will be a cold day in hell before I give them any authority over my use of the common ways.

pahunkboy -> RE: Why are people afraid of same-sex marriage? (1/9/2010 7:26:24 AM)
it goes deeper then that. some feel we are shoving gay in their face left and right- and too much. trying to convert people. sometimes less is more.

LillyoftheVally -> RE: Why are people afraid of same-sex marriage? (1/9/2010 7:31:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub It is pure and simple prejudice. It is built in our brains at a very basic level that homosexual sex is wrong. We have no control of this feeling it is just there…In the same way the feelings of incest is there….Or sex with children is there… I am just talking feelings not connections between the three. I totally don't agree, I think it is purely social not built into our brains, we are taught its icky rather than it being a natural revulsion. By claiming it is the brains is same as claiming that homosexuality is the sign of a dysfunctional brain.

Real0ne -> RE: Why are people afraid of same-sex marriage? (1/9/2010 7:33:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Because if the state or government does not recognize the union, then the benefits from said unions are not valid... for example.. life insurance, health benefits, IRS filings. I have found none... Its just more paperwork and recognition is completely irrelevant.... The only thing that counts is "standing" within the law, keeping in mind law trumps statutes. We have the infinite right to contract, and that right is possibly the most upheld right people have.......you can even "contract" to "waive" your right if you want. (which is what government regulated marriage does) First allowing the public into your private life is acquiescence and acceptance of implied power of attorney to regulate you. Next when it is done that way we move from exercising our full sovereign rights granted by God to government granted privileges, and that which the government granteth the government taketh away.....at any time. So then I guess that takes us to the buy off.... What are they giving you as a privilege that you cannot have by claim of right?...... Perhaps they would not be benefits for you. This discussion has been brought up here and other places on the CM boards. Not everyone sees this issue as you do, real. seperate but equal just doesnt work for many people... understandably. really? You mean there are others out here that are free and exercising their "unalienable" rights? I have no idea in what respect you are relating this: seperate but equal just doesnt work for many people...: too.

kdsub -> RE: Why are people afraid of same-sex marriage? (1/9/2010 7:45:17 AM)
I think over time...maybe another 25 or 30 years people will become accustomed to same sex marriage and the laws will universally change, after all we are evolving as a species...not because they agree it is right but because they will finally understand homosexual people do not have a choice in their sexual preference...People are basically good and will overcome their revulsion. I think homosexuality is a sign of a different brain configuration not a dysfunctional one. Just as men’s brains differs from women’s. There is of course a social element to homosexuality…but strangely it shows up in most every civilization known…even those that had no physical contact for thousands of years. That tells me it is the brains reaction to something the average brain finds basicly wrong…so it shows up in society in general. Butch

pahunkboy -> RE: Why are people afraid of same-sex marriage? (1/9/2010 7:46:29 AM)
To eligible men. _clears throat. How ARE you? How are you - how are you?

LillyoftheVally -> RE: Why are people afraid of same-sex marriage? (1/9/2010 7:48:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub There is of course a social element to homosexuality…but strangely it shows up in most every civilization known…even those that had no physical contact for thousands of years. That tell me it is the brains reaction to something the average brain finds basicly wrong…so it shows up in society in general. I guess it is the whole nature nurture argument which will carry on until the end of time, regardless of what you think causes it the outcome is the same

Real0ne -> RE: Why are people afraid of same-sex marriage? (1/9/2010 7:54:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy To eligible men. _clears throat. How ARE you? How are you - how are you? good one! well we all choose our own path.... People have come to depend on government to manage their lives for them and thats fine with me.... Its just to bad that it has gone on for so many generations that today no one can seem to recognize the path out of it and often get creamed in the process when they do finally get fed up.

kdsub -> RE: Why are people afraid of same-sex marriage? (1/9/2010 7:56:07 AM)
No not at all...I wish you had quoted my first paragraph...In many parts of the world same sex marriage is becoming accepted...mostly because science is finding differences in the configuration of the homosexual mind...and people are realizing homosexuals are not deviants but normal people with a different uncontrollable sexual preference... That does not mean it doesn't make their skin crawl. Homosexuality will never be totally accepted or embraced because it is hard to keep the family line going… Sounds shallow but damn it is the truth to many families facing that very possibility. Butch

LillyoftheVally -> RE: Why are people afraid of same-sex marriage? (1/9/2010 7:58:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub No not at all...I wish you had quoted my first paragraph...In many parts of the world same sex marriage is becoming accepted...mostly because science is finding differences in the configuration of the homosexual mind...and people are realizing homosexuals are not deviants but normal people with a different uncontrollable sexual preference. Or the reasons for it becoming accepted is due to a shift in society generally, realising that homosexuality isnt a mental illness.

eyesopened -> RE: Why are people afraid of same-sex marriage? (1/9/2010 8:02:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub I think over time...maybe another 25 or 30 years people will become accustomed to same sex marriage and the laws will universally change, after all we are evolving as a species...not because they agree it is right but because they will finally understand homosexual people do not have a choice in their sexual preference...People are basically good and will overcome their revulsion. I think homosexuality is a sign of a different brain configuration not a dysfunctional one. Just as men’s brains differs from women’s. There is of course a social element to homosexuality…but strangely it shows up in most every civilization known…even those that had no physical contact for thousands of years. That tells me it is the brains reaction to something the average brain finds basicly wrong…so it shows up in society in general. Butch There have been observations that animals will reject others in their herd, pride, pod, group, flock, etc who are obviously different, so it may be in our core to be uneasy about people who do not fit the majority. People can feel a natural revulsion to horrible disfigurments. We know that logically we should not treat people badly just becuase they are disfigured but there is still that gut reaction. But we have evolved enough to know that to discriminate against people because of something over which they have no choice or control (skin color, birth defect, sexual orientation) is wrong. We have laws to protect against discrimination and yet we have a law that specifically discriminates. That's what makes no sense to me.

kdsub -> RE: Why are people afraid of same-sex marriage? (1/9/2010 8:02:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LillyoftheVally quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub No not at all...I wish you had quoted my first paragraph...In many parts of the world same sex marriage is becoming accepted...mostly because science is finding differences in the configuration of the homosexual mind...and people are realizing homosexuals are not deviants but normal people with a different uncontrollable sexual preference. Or the reasons for it becoming accepted is due to a shift in society generally, realising that homosexuality isnt a mental illness. We are saying the same thing I believe just in a different way...I say different configuration of the brain you say not a mental illness... this means the same to me. Realizing this fact will change society...we are saying the same thing again I agree.

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