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Real0ne -> X-IRS-Criminal-Investigator - 16th Amendment Never Ratified (1/9/2010 2:10:51 PM)

Great interview not only showing that the 16th was a fraud, (the 14th was too but this one is about the 16th), and also of the way conspiracies happen and why you rarely hear about  any of them....  Funny how these guys have a streak of conscience and blow the whistle on the perps!

In 6 mp3's

http://www.4shared.com/dir/27179695/a6a55a29/sharing.html












tazzygirl -> RE: X-IRS-Criminal-Investigator - 16th Amendment Never Ratified (1/9/2010 2:24:46 PM)

i dont do downloads. If you wish for us to read this, perhaps you need to convert, or find a transcript of the interview.




thornhappy -> RE: X-IRS-Criminal-Investigator - 16th Amendment Never Ratified (1/9/2010 2:39:49 PM)

Haven't those ideas been disproven time and time again?




tazzygirl -> RE: X-IRS-Criminal-Investigator - 16th Amendment Never Ratified (1/9/2010 2:46:28 PM)

from my understanding the Supreme Court have upheld both. I dont see how either can be disputed at this point.




Real0ne -> RE: X-IRS-Criminal-Investigator - 16th Amendment Never Ratified (1/9/2010 2:55:11 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

from my understanding the Supreme Court have upheld both. I dont see how either can be disputed at this point.


do you believe the supreme court is the highest court in the land?








Real0ne -> RE: X-IRS-Criminal-Investigator - 16th Amendment Never Ratified (1/9/2010 2:58:38 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: thornhappy

Haven't those ideas been disproven time and time again?


this guy is worth listening to man....  He has over 17000 certified documents collected from all the state governments....

I dont want to tell the story for him here....  Its worth the listen....





tazzygirl -> RE: X-IRS-Criminal-Investigator - 16th Amendment Never Ratified (1/9/2010 2:59:37 PM)

Last i heard... lol

In the United States, the Supreme Court of the United States, established in 1789, is the highest Federal court in the country, with powers of judicial review first asserted in Calder v. Bull (1798) in Justice Iredell's dissenting opinion. The power was later given binding authority by Justice Marshall in Marbury v. Madison (1803). There are currently nine seats on the US Supreme Court.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_court#United_States

Name one higher that would cover this issue.




Real0ne -> RE: X-IRS-Criminal-Investigator - 16th Amendment Never Ratified (1/9/2010 3:02:31 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Last i heard... lol

In the United States, the Supreme Court of the United States, established in 1789, is the highest Federal court in the country, with powers of judicial review first asserted in Calder v. Bull (1798) in Justice Iredell's dissenting opinion. The power was later given binding authority by Justice Marshall in Marbury v. Madison (1803). There are currently nine seats on the US Supreme Court.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_court#United_States

Name one higher that would cover this issue.



The peoples common law tribunal.





pahunkboy -> RE: X-IRS-Criminal-Investigator - 16th Amendment Never Ratified (1/9/2010 3:06:25 PM)

odd timing for this post.

some lady was kidnapped over this... just last week.




Real0ne -> RE: X-IRS-Criminal-Investigator - 16th Amendment Never Ratified (1/9/2010 3:07:31 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

odd timing for this post.

some lady was kidnapped over this... just last week.



say what?







tazzygirl -> RE: X-IRS-Criminal-Investigator - 16th Amendment Never Ratified (1/9/2010 3:14:04 PM)

Common law is law developed by judges through decisions of courts and similar tribunals (also called case law), rather than through legislative statutes or executive branch action. A "common law system" is a legal system that gives great precedential weight to common law,[1] on the principle that it is unfair to treat similar facts differently on different occasions.[2] The body of precedent is called "common law" and it binds future decisions. In future cases, when parties disagree on what the law is, an idealized common law court looks to past precedential decisions of relevant courts. If a similar dispute has been resolved in the past, the court is bound to follow the reasoning used in the prior decision (this principle is known as stare decisis). If, however, the court finds that the current dispute is fundamentally distinct from all previous cases (called a "matter of first impression"), judges have the authority and duty to make law by creating precedent.[3] Thereafter, the new decision becomes precedent, and will bind future courts.

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In the United States, the power of the federal judiciary to review and invalidate unconstitutional acts of the federal executive branch is stated in the constitution, Article III sections 1 and 2: "The judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. ... The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority..." The first famous statement of "the judicial power" was Marbury v. Madison, 5 U.S. (1 Cranch) 137 (1803). Later cases interpreted the "judicial power" of Article III to establish the power of federal courts to consider or overturn any action of congress or of any state that conflicts with the constitution.

[edit] Overruling precedent—the limits of stare decisis
Most of the U.S. federal courts of appeal have adopted a rule under which, in the event of any conflict in decisions of panels (most of the courts of appeal almost always sit in panels of three), the earlier panel decision is controlling, and a panel decision may only be overruled by the court of appeals sitting en banc (that is, all active judges of the court) or by a higher court.[21] In these courts, the older decision remains controlling when an issue comes up the third time.

Other courts, for example, the Court of Customs and Patent Appeals and the Supreme Court, always sit en banc, and thus the later decision controls. These courts essentially overrule all previous cases in each new case, and older cases survive only to the extent they do not conflict with newer cases. The interpretations of these courts - for example, Supreme Court interpretations of the constitution or federal statutes - are stable only so long as the older interpretation maintains the support of a majority of the court. The majority may persist through some combination of belief that the old decision is right, and that it is not sufficiently wrong to be overruled.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Law#Overruling_precedent.E2.80.94the_limits_of_stare_decisis

Im not a lawyer by any means. But, to me, this is saying that even the court of public opinion must bow to the highest court in the land.




Real0ne -> RE: X-IRS-Criminal-Investigator - 16th Amendment Never Ratified (1/9/2010 3:19:54 PM)

well gotta read whats not being said as well....(hows that for a line!) LOL

U.S. Constitution: Seventh Amendment

In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

which means it can go to a common law grand jury of 25.

Courts established by legislation are not above the peoples court.

If they were government that was created by the people would be above the creator and the slave is never above the Master.









pahunkboy -> RE: X-IRS-Criminal-Investigator - 16th Amendment Never Ratified (1/9/2010 3:21:20 PM)

If I see it again- I will elaborate.




tazzygirl -> RE: X-IRS-Criminal-Investigator - 16th Amendment Never Ratified (1/9/2010 3:25:50 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

well gotta read whats not being said as well....(hows that for a line!) LOL

U.S. Constitution: Seventh Amendment

In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

which means it can go to a common law grand jury of 25.

Courts established by legislation are not above the peoples court.

If they were government that was created by the people would be above the creator and the slave is never above the Master.



And you still arent reading what determines if a suit, as you put it, is in violation of common law, or is actually a new case. and those are determined by whom?




Termyn8or -> RE: X-IRS-Criminal-Investigator - 16th Amendment Never Ratified (1/9/2010 3:32:40 PM)

Don't even have to look.

Joe Bannister

Try different spellings if you don't find anything. He is an ex IRS agent who found out. The case was presented to him and going through channels his higher ups could not provide proof, and was instead "asked" to resign. Literally turn in your gun. He could not do his job for moral reasons. He is now a key proponent in the anti-income tax war. Not too long ago another ex IRS agent jumped ship and got on our side.

However they still have big teeth.

Nonetheless, Sherry Jackson was a fraud investigator for the IRS, and unfortunately for them, she did her job. We The People foundation put out a $50,000 reward to anyone who could come up with the exact law that required the average worker to pay taxes. She was looking to win the prize, so the motivation is pretty clear. She couldn't do it, and this is not your average SWAT team IRS guy like Bannister, she was a specialist in fraud.

More recently a lawyer who successfullly defended their client in tax court was jailed. For some reason their health has declined very badly and proper medical care given at our expense to murderers and rapists seems to have evaporated. And this was one who pretty much operated within the "system".

You think I am fucking kidding that can be a fatal mistake. That's what I meant by they have teeth.

Things are not right, we know that. We need the system to change for the better, these backdoors can work to our advantage but they are not the solution. And the more people opening their fucking mouths about it do us no good. Let us who may possibly use the extra resouces gleaned by these process' do so, and don't call attention to ourselves, lest they take notice and move the loopholes.

Get it ?

T




tazzygirl -> RE: X-IRS-Criminal-Investigator - 16th Amendment Never Ratified (1/9/2010 3:34:30 PM)

I seriously doubt he does, T.




Real0ne -> RE: X-IRS-Criminal-Investigator - 16th Amendment Never Ratified (1/9/2010 3:39:42 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

well gotta read whats not being said as well....(hows that for a line!) LOL

U.S. Constitution: Seventh Amendment

In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

which means it can go to a common law grand jury of 25.

Courts established by legislation are not above the peoples court.

If they were government that was created by the people would be above the creator and the slave is never above the Master.



And you still arent reading what determines if a suit, as you put it, is in violation of common law, or is actually a new case. and those are determined by whom?


as a rule wiki is a really poor place to go for accurate info about law...  as a get you in the ball park it sort of works, but not when you want to split hairs....

Usually law that has not been disputed over the ages stands immutable.

Common law also includes the "unwritten law", law of custom...

When you go into a court in any state they start out as a corporate court, one big happy family all under the APA...  If you are fighting your best friend and there is no gvernment interest in the matter then you may get a fair shake.  If you are fighting the government then the judge pulls out his dirty tricks book and literally joins the prosecutor....

In Common law if he so much as opens his mouth to scedule the next court date he can be held in contempt of YOUR court.

You have ultimate jurisdiction of the world around you.

For the cases you can go to any law library or use wests or louis law and a host of others....

Which really does not matter becasue a common law jury can nullify any law they do not feel applies or if they feel it is not fair....  HUGE power in a common law jury









tazzygirl -> RE: X-IRS-Criminal-Investigator - 16th Amendment Never Ratified (1/9/2010 3:41:50 PM)

Then i propose you do this.. as a test of your common law theory.

Stop paying your taxes.

Inform the IRS of why your not paying your taxes.

Let me know the outcome, ok?




Real0ne -> RE: X-IRS-Criminal-Investigator - 16th Amendment Never Ratified (1/9/2010 3:48:45 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
Things are not right, we know that. We need the system to change for the better, these backdoors can work to our advantage but they are not the solution. And the more people opening their fucking mouths about it do us no good. Let us who may possibly use the extra resouces gleaned by these process' do so, and don't call attention to ourselves, lest they take notice and move the loopholes.

Get it ?

T


well I would use the front door...frankly....

read my footer....

The law is you did not file a 1040.

the response is counter sue for trespass and trespass on the case.

Take it directly into common law...

and this is only for funzies and educational purposes only not to be construed as legal advice.







jlf1961 -> RE: X-IRS-Criminal-Investigator - 16th Amendment Never Ratified (1/9/2010 3:54:59 PM)

The 16th amendment was ratified (by the requisite thirty-six states) on February 3, 1913 with the ratification by Delaware. Six other states ratified the amendment bringing the total to 42. Three states did not ratify the amendment, these were Connecticut, Rhode Island, and Utah.

Three other states did not address the amendment, these were Pennsylvania, Virginia and Florida.

The information is readily available online or any book dealing with the constitution or a high school civics text book.

As far as common law is concerned, ANY case heard before any court is still subject to appeal at the level of the Supreme Court.

The common law system allows for appeal under the rules of common law, which means that the Supreme Court is the highest court in the land. Any decision rendered by any court can be overturned by a court of appeals if the case does not meet all the standards of common law.





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