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jackod -> RE: "The Citizens Have Won" (1/9/2010 11:34:54 PM)
I know several people who got very sick,so far one die-healthy young Lady,the people who listen to me are all healthy,that the fact anf fuick those who are stupid and believe it that the goverment is the answer,Why YOU WANT TO PUT MERCURY IN YOUR BODY??? IF ANYTHING ELSE?????

ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: "The Citizens Have Won" (1/9/2010 11:37:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jackod I know several people who got very sick,so far one die-healthy young Lady,the people who listen to me are all healthy,that the fact anf fuick those who are stupid and believe it that the goverment is the answer,Why YOU WANT TO PUT MERCURY IN YOUR BODY??? IF ANYTHING ELSE????? Like I was saying...

pahunkboy -> RE: "The Citizens Have Won" (1/10/2010 5:02:36 AM)
Panda you can add to that neurloinguistic programing. NLP. This is what mainstream TV news does to a person. Study it. Did you know one of the largest companies in the world is a perception management company? I am not sliding worse - and there has been very little change in my meds. I am not the one that needs fixed here. -> the larger corruption does. ..and what caused the corruption is mute- weather ill plans or simply greed. I got the rotten flu shot for 8 years. I wish I could un-do that. No one even considered that the flu shot itself could be why I "need help". In the past 10 years- corruption has hit new heights. and if you study history one can see a pattern here of is the likely things to come. We are not immune for history. In 1980 medicine was deregulated by Reagan- which has fueled the junk science.

pahunkboy -> RE: "The Citizens Have Won" (1/10/2010 5:05:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda quote: ORIGINAL: jackod I know several people who got very sick,so far one die-healthy young Lady,the people who listen to me are all healthy,that the fact anf fuick those who are stupid and believe it that the goverment is the answer,Why YOU WANT TO PUT MERCURY IN YOUR BODY??? IF ANYTHING ELSE????? Like I was saying... You could factor in all the things that were safe- until they were not safe. x-rays. red die number 3 asbestos. all were "safe"

tazzygirl -> RE: "The Citizens Have Won" (1/10/2010 6:35:02 AM)
In 1980 medicine was deregulated by Reagan- which has fueled the junk science. I know about mental health being deregulated... but.. mind sharing your source for medicine? because Reagan was extremely against socialized medicine.

pahunkboy -> RE: "The Citizens Have Won" (1/10/2010 6:58:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl In 1980 medicine was deregulated by Reagan- which has fueled the junk science. I know about mental health being deregulated... but.. mind sharing your source for medicine? because Reagan was extremely against socialized medicine. ask your DR if XYZ pill is right for you commercials. (to start with.) Drug companies fast tracting pill approval FDA program. Of COURSE the drug company "research" is going to "prove" XYZ pill is right for many. If a scientist does not say so- they do not get funding.

Moonhead -> RE: "The Citizens Have Won" (1/10/2010 7:07:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy ask your DR if XYZ pill is right for you commercials. (to start with.) Drug companies fast tracting pill approval FDA program. Of COURSE the drug company "research" is going to "prove" XYZ pill is right for many. If a scientist does not say so- they do not get funding. That'll be why thalidomide was used far more extensively in the 'States than it was in Europe during the '50s, then. There's hardly any phocomeliads in the EEC at all, but there's loads in America, aren't there?

tazzygirl -> RE: "The Citizens Have Won" (1/10/2010 7:15:07 AM)
WE became a society looking for a cure all in a pill. Phen Phen was the answer to being fat... till it proved fatal. Yaz seems to be the latest. But as consumers, we did not inform ourselves. Blaming the industry is not the answer. Blaming ourselves is the only way to find the answers. The Drs are employed by the public. When we make unreasonable demands, we have to expect unreasonable results. Dont you think we, the public, share some of the responsibility for the blame? for a long time, Drs could get kick backs for prescribing XYZ pill... no longer. The free trips, the bonuses, even the cool pens with the drug name written on them... all gone. Now all a drug rep can offer is a free lunch. Dr shopping became the norm until we could find XYZ from any Dr. And the Drs listened. Again, we have ourselves to blame. Drs soon learned if we didnt get what we wanted from them, another Dr would give it up. We can blame all the faults on Reagan, politics, the man in the moon... but we have to accept some of the blame ourselves.

Moonhead -> RE: "The Citizens Have Won" (1/10/2010 7:23:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl We can blame all the faults on Reagan, politics, the man in the moon... but we have to accept some of the blame ourselves. Funny you should say that: reading through this thread I get the impression that a few people are convinced that none of it is anybody's fault other than the WHO and the Government. It's nice to have a scapegoat to blame your problems on, I suppose.

pahunkboy -> RE: "The Citizens Have Won" (1/10/2010 7:24:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl WE became a society looking for a cure all in a pill. Phen Phen was the answer to being fat... till it proved fatal. Yaz seems to be the latest. But as consumers, we did not inform ourselves. Blaming the industry is not the answer. Blaming ourselves is the only way to find the answers. The Drs are employed by the public. When we make unreasonable demands, we have to expect unreasonable results. Dont you think we, the public, share some of the responsibility for the blame? for a long time, Drs could get kick backs for prescribing XYZ pill... no longer. The free trips, the bonuses, even the cool pens with the drug name written on them... all gone. Now all a drug rep can offer is a free lunch. Dr shopping became the norm until we could find XYZ from any Dr. And the Drs listened. Again, we have ourselves to blame. Drs soon learned if we didnt get what we wanted from them, another Dr would give it up. We can blame all the faults on Reagan, politics, the man in the moon... but we have to accept some of the blame ourselves. I have BIG smile on my face. Tazzy - You get my point. That is my entire point. :-)

pahunkboy -> RE: "The Citizens Have Won" (1/10/2010 7:33:41 AM)
Some pills I am willing to accept the risk on- per they help - other types I am not willing to make the risk. I insist to participate in what happens to my body. In general I am defiant about anything status quo- that has both hindered and helped me at times. In the case of h1n1- I believed I did not need that shot. As to the future- I will decide as I go. I doubt I ever want a flu shot again. Certain meds- I choose not to use. But there are some that I do. ...understand that age 46 one does not feel like one does at age 30. and I do not want to hasten that. I had a DR over do steroidal injections into my back. I did my own research- and learned he by far exceeded what was standard. He got pretty mad when he could not give me more $964 shots... but guess what? My back got better with out it. Our body has amazing power to heal if we let it. I am very glad I got in his face over it. I had like 33 injections where 3 is custom.

tazzygirl -> RE: "The Citizens Have Won" (1/10/2010 7:54:52 AM)
pa, hun, no one is saying you have to take any vaccine. my dad cant take them, he is severly allergic. it is absolutely your right to say no. however, you must also realize it is the rights of others to say yes. As far as the nurses you noted in an earlier post, i have mixed feelings about their positions. one, they are allowed to say no as well. however, nosocomial infections (hospital aquired) can be the most deadly. nurses take an oath to protect their patients.... i dont see that action as protection... but thats just me. swine flu was mild... it could have been far worse. the CDC and WHO can only make predictions... but they are honestly trying to protect the public. tone down the "dire warnings" and the conspiracy thoughts. you have a good heart, pa. its hard to hear it sometimes when you go off the deep end.

pahunkboy -> RE: "The Citizens Have Won" (1/10/2010 8:28:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl pa, hun, no one is saying you have to take any vaccine. my dad cant take them, he is severly allergic. it is absolutely your right to say no. however, you must also realize it is the rights of others to say yes. As far as the nurses you noted in an earlier post, i have mixed feelings about their positions. one, they are allowed to say no as well. however, nosocomial infections (hospital aquired) can be the most deadly. nurses take an oath to protect their patients.... i dont see that action as protection... but thats just me. swine flu was mild... it could have been far worse. the CDC and WHO can only make predictions... but they are honestly trying to protect the public. tone down the "dire warnings" and the conspiracy thoughts. you have a good heart, pa. its hard to hear it sometimes when you go off the deep end. Understood. Not a problem.

thornhappy -> RE: "The Citizens Have Won" (1/10/2010 10:02:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: InvisibleBlack quote: ORIGINAL: thornhappy It's like playing whack-a-mole when you try to refute the theories; no matter how much data you gather to debunk a theory, it doesn't work, and more pop up as you watch. I hate to break this to you, but once they realize that YOU are a part of the conspiracy and only trying to keep the rest of us down (or kill us in any of a variety of truly awful ways - radiation, poisoning, etc.), everything you say is suspect! I be so bummed. I tried so hard to keep my evil machinations under wraps.

thornhappy -> RE: "The Citizens Have Won" (1/10/2010 10:08:55 AM)
Hunk, did you say awhile back that you're taking a bit over 1/3 of your old dose of antidepressant? Jackod: It's been said here repeatedly that there's no thimerosol in the vaccines.

InvisibleBlack -> RE: "The Citizens Have Won" (1/10/2010 10:10:37 AM)
Thank you for this well thought out and informative response. It must be correct because it matches my preconceptions. [;)] quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda quote: ORIGINAL: InvisibleBlack I'm not sure what's driving this need amongst people to believe in the most outlandish and bizarre theories. Do you think the rise of the Internet is fueling this somehow? Well...off the top of my head, I see at least 2 questions in there. What is driving the need, and what is feeding the phenomenon. First of all, I think Madame Thorn hits pretty close to the mark with her theory about the appalling state of science and math education in our schools, but that's only part of it. In my opinion, it's not just that our education system doesn't teach kids how to think critically about science (although that certainly does seem to be true) - it's more that we're not teaching our kids to think critically, period. The mission of our educational system seems to have shifted; it seems to focus now on teaching kids how to memorize facts and pass tests, rather than how to discern what those facts mean, and fit them together to form a comprehensive picture of a larger issue. It seems to me that, past a certain point in a person's cognitive development, their method of arriving at conclusions is fairly fixed - meaning that if they haven't learned critical thinking skills by that time they probably never will. What do you do then? quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda A country full of people who, just 10 years ago, thought they understood everything that was happening in the world, and were in complete control of it, now have no idea what they know. None of what they once took for granted feels logical anymore, and they're just desperate for some information that "feels" right, so they can believe it and trust that belief. It hadn't really occurred to me that the state of current world affairs and America's place in them could be underlying a drive for "understanding". It makes perfect sense. I'm in somewhat of a different position since I was predicting things like the collapse of the housing market and an economic crash on the levels of a Depression a couple of years ago so I'm at the opposite end of the boat - I feel that modern events have fully vindicated my worldview and my methods of analysis. quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda The internet is a marvelous tool in many ways, but over the last year or two I've come more and more to the conclusion that on balance, it's going to prove to be the worst thing that ever happened to American society. In any given issue, the lowest common denominator is never more than 3 or 4 mouse clicks away. We have doomed ourselves, because we as a species - and especially we as a society - are too ignorant, and too intellectually and emotionally immature to use this tool wisely. So instead, we use it foolishly. And will continue to do so until nobody, anywhere, really knows how to think at all anymore. Thank god that I'm of an age where I'll only have to see another quarter century or so of this disintegration of of our culture. So what do you feel would be the solution? No technology is evil in an of itself. It's the implementation that contains the problems. How do you resolve the issue of the quality of the information available if people themselves have no sorting skills to determine its accuracy?

InvisibleBlack -> RE: "The Citizens Have Won" (1/10/2010 10:14:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy Some pills I am willing to accept the risk on- per they help - other types I am not willing to make the risk. I insist to participate in what happens to my body. In general I am defiant about anything status quo- that has both hindered and helped me at times. In the case of h1n1- I believed I did not need that shot. As to the future- I will decide as I go. Glad to see you're still here and posting, PA. I agree that no one should blindly trust their doctor or any medication. At the end of the day, your health is your responsibility. Different people react differently to the same medication and often doctors themselves don't know all the ramifications of some treatments. Everyone should be an active participant in their diagnosis and treatment.

pahunkboy -> RE: "The Citizens Have Won" (1/10/2010 10:20:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thornhappy Hunk, did you say awhile back that you're taking a bit over 1/3 of your old dose of antidepressant? Jackod: It's been said here repeatedly that there's no thimerosol in the vaccines. Let me be the example- do NOT get addicted to SSRIs. I am unable to drop below 60 mg. and could be on it for life. So beware at SSRIs.

Moonhead -> RE: "The Citizens Have Won" (1/10/2010 12:45:38 PM)
Oh dear. So some of what you're posting is a fit of the Tom Cruises, then? "You don't know vaccines: I do!"

pahunkboy -> RE: "The Citizens Have Won" (1/10/2010 12:48:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead Oh dear. So some of what you're posting is a fit of the Tom Cruises, then? "You don't know vaccines: I do!" I did not realize he was on our board.

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