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RE: choices - 1/12/2010 10:30:47 AM   
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you'll mostly see that's because of antagonistic posts that i reply to


Not really, if I did then I would understand it more.

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RE: choices - 1/12/2010 10:33:44 AM   
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How damn many threads have you started here? Holy shit!!

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no matter how many there are when choosing one you still have to make choices of where you surrender


When I first met Holly I did something you have already stated you are above doing. I listened to her. I was educated by her as to her desires, needs, etc. As a result of listening and learning from a submissive, she became Mine. When I was educated by Holly as to her heart, I knew how to take the choice of surrender away from her.


Is it just me or is that just really romantic? I love it...you are a lucky couple indeed.

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RE: choices - 1/12/2010 10:35:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LillyoftheVally


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you'll mostly see that's because of antagonistic posts that i reply to


Not really, if I did then I would understand it more.


if it appears that way ii's not my intention

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RE: choices - 1/12/2010 12:02:31 PM   
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You are asking about priorities. The choice is easy for me. The first. But I equate being given structure with kink, and in terms of priorities, structure is at the top of my kink list, and everything else starts at least 20 lines below it.

I don't particularly care if a potential master or mistress has kinks different from mine (even vastly different). If s/he can provide the nature and level of control I need, something that is not that easy to find, I'll adjust my libdo to their kinks--with great pleasure. (How do I know I could do so? -smiles- Experience is such a fine teacher.) In fact, I'd consider it my duty to learn to love his or her kinks, and an intriguingly hot one, at that. :) I am muti-fetishistic and very open-minded and those traits certainly help, but I think I am multi-fetishistic for a reason: my priorities. They don't allow me the luxury of placing too much importance on something as superficial as a sexual activity preference, however different it may be from anything I'd experienced before or normally seek out.

Since structure = kink in my psychosexual equation, if the dominant can provide the structure I need, then they already have the core kink I need. I've never met anybody who voluntarily provided that sort of structure without there being an intensely kinky element to their motivations--and I never intend to. Even potential slaves have to draw the line somewhere and a "vending machine dom" or a "Controlling is not really my thing but I'll do it in order to satisfy you" sort of dom (or any kind of person who turns my core sexual need into a tedious chore that they do merely to satisfy me) is where I draw mine. Those sorts (and there are plenty of these dear sacrificing souls on collarme) have the same affect on me as an icicle dildo would (but without any of the fun of watching the cruelty on the face of the person inserting the dildo)..



Interesting to read this post; it describes me very well. I often say my own kinks are irrelevant to my satisfaction in a relationship, but it's really more a case of my kink needs being satisfied by being controlled and having a certain kind of structure in my relationships, and that that can take a variety of forms. ( And truth be told, though I would be satisfied with an extremely controlling non-kinky dominant, I have yet to run across such a creature even though I must have spoken to thousands of dominant men over the past few years. )



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RE: choices - 1/12/2010 12:14:01 PM   
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How damn many threads have you started here? Holy shit!!

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no matter how many there are when choosing one you still have to make choices of where you surrender


When I first met Holly I did something you have already stated you are above doing. I listened to her. I was educated by her as to her desires, needs, etc. As a result of listening and learning from a submissive, she became Mine. When I was educated by Holly as to her heart, I knew how to take the choice of surrender away from her.


Is it just me or is that just really romantic? I love it...you are a lucky couple indeed.

thanks Red. I have to admit it took my breath away.


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RE: choices - 1/12/2010 12:22:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: sirsholly

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ORIGINAL: sexyred1


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ORIGINAL: masterofholly

How damn many threads have you started here? Holy shit!!

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no matter how many there are when choosing one you still have to make choices of where you surrender


When I first met Holly I did something you have already stated you are above doing. I listened to her. I was educated by her as to her desires, needs, etc. As a result of listening and learning from a submissive, she became Mine. When I was educated by Holly as to her heart, I knew how to take the choice of surrender away from her.


Is it just me or is that just really romantic? I love it...you are a lucky couple indeed.

thanks Red. I have to admit it took my breath away.



You are quite welcome Holly. Now, does he have a brother?

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RE: choices - 1/12/2010 2:26:15 PM   
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I'd go for the force of character ... especially if he is forceful in wanting me...
and then i'd let him mold my mind into getting turned on by his weird kinks whilst craftily manipulating him to want my kinks too... hahahahaha, i will have it all!


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RE: choices - 1/12/2010 2:30:18 PM   
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assuming you as a submissive had to make a choice between two dominants, one had the force of character you wanted but didn't like his kink, or one whose kink you were more comfortable with but were not as attracted to on a personal basis, what would be your choice?

this is an edit to make more clear what i meant, the first can create the structure you crave the second cant



I woild choose the third option of choosing neither. In your examples, I would be compromising and I refuse to settle for less.


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RE: choices - 1/12/2010 5:02:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: osf
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So it is the end of the world, and these are the last two dominants in existence?

no matter how many there are when choosing one you still have to make choices of where you surrender

want it too much your way and there will be no one worth while for you

you might as well go nilla with kink

Damn Osf...lemme give ya a piece of advice, as this morning i see to have a lot of breath to waste.  That approach with a sub ("want it too much your way and there will be no one worth while for you") will not score you any points.

i would much rather be in no relationship than in a relationship with the wrong person.

i was very picky..

I absolutely agree with you sirsholly. 

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I agree, however I think it is about expression, the OP in this thread has been in my opinion rather aggressive in his challenge of any view that does not mirror his own it stops making it really a hypothetical at all and more an underhanded way of giving his opinion, it would be far easier if he said what he meant. Or possibly a question with more chance of getting the required information, such as which is more important character or kink. However in this hypothetical he missed the important choice of not settling for either, then spent the rest of the thread telling people they have to settle. Sorry thats just my read on it

you'll mostly see that's because of antagonistic posts that i reply to

Naw osf.  You are pretty antagonistic Yourself & just can't stand for anyone to disagree with You.

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RE: choices - 1/12/2010 5:16:33 PM   
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Naw osf.  You are pretty antagonistic Yourself & just can't stand for anyone to disagree with You.


and you just had to say that even though the remark wasn't directed at you

i've noticed two types of people here those that actually try to get into the spirit of the thread and those that are just interruptive with non pertinent criticisms

which are you?

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RE: choices - 1/12/2010 6:23:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: WestBaySlave

Interesting to read this post; it describes me very well. I often say my own kinks are irrelevant to my satisfaction in a relationship, but it's really more a case of my kink needs being satisfied by being controlled and having a certain kind of structure in my relationships, and that that can take a variety of forms. ( And truth be told, though I would be satisfied with an extremely controlling non-kinky dominant, I have yet to run across such a creature even though I must have spoken to thousands of dominant men over the past few years. )



Nods. I sometimes call this an "It's all about THEM" complex. ;)

I very occasionally run across a controlling but not kinky type, but they creep me out a bit. I got a sense from the ones I talked to that they were avoiding something. Also , they don't do much for my libido, frankly, because their every motivation for what they do seems centered around the sub, pleasing the sub, which is... (shudder) well, I mentioned the icicle.

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RE: choices - 1/12/2010 6:26:41 PM   
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well, we certainly know where you stand, as always lol



Yeah, I know. I must bore the hell out of people. I never move from this spot. ;)

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RE: choices - 1/12/2010 6:27:27 PM   
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some of the subs in here , it's all about them

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RE: choices - 1/12/2010 6:28:29 PM   
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my thing is it's actually about the relationship

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RE: choices - 1/12/2010 6:31:29 PM   
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(sidenote: As many have pointed out, this isn't a very realistic situation, but I took osf to be asking a hypothetical question, kind of like "What three things would you want on a desert island?" You know damn well you'll never be on a desert island, and if you were, it's unlikely you'd know ahead of time and get to pack three things. A hypothetical question is supposed to boil things down to their starkest terms and generate thought, not mirror reality.)



True, but you know, when someone tries to ask that desert island question in a forum (or its dreaded "only X nunber of people will fit in the lifeboat" counterpart), most people still try to weasel out of it, kind of like what we're seeing here. I think sometimes it must be human nature not to want to even comtemplate limiting choices. It makes me wonder though, whether at a time when such people must make a limiting choice and it's extremely important to make a limiting choice, will they be able to?

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RE: choices - 1/12/2010 7:22:16 PM   
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This thread tickled me because I just went through a situation like this not too long ago.  I chose but didn't think I settled at all.  I am very happy! 

PS: Regardless of which I chose and why, it doesn't matter the reason because, like everything in life, it isn't as black or white like we want it to be. 



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RE: choices - 1/12/2010 8:43:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CaringandReal


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ORIGINAL: lucylucy

(sidenote: As many have pointed out, this isn't a very realistic situation, but I took osf to be asking a hypothetical question, kind of like "What three things would you want on a desert island?" You know damn well you'll never be on a desert island, and if you were, it's unlikely you'd know ahead of time and get to pack three things. A hypothetical question is supposed to boil things down to their starkest terms and generate thought, not mirror reality.)



True, but you know, when someone tries to ask that desert island question in a forum (or its dreaded "only X nunber of people will fit in the lifeboat" counterpart), most people still try to weasel out of it, kind of like what we're seeing here. I think sometimes it must be human nature not to want to even comtemplate limiting choices. It makes me wonder though, whether at a time when such people must make a limiting choice and it's extremely important to make a limiting choice, will they be able to?


I see your point. Maybe this is a quirk of mine, but pondering options gives me much more anxiety than making a damn decision and sticking with it.

As a culture, we are very preoccupied with having "choices," but many of our "choices" aren't real. For example, at the grocery store tonight I saw at least five brands of canned black beans. I'm sure there are subtle differences between those brands, but I bet that the average consumer couldn't tell the difference among them in a blind taste test. BUT imagine how irritated people would be if the store carried only one brand. Even I would probably be irritated, and I'm the one who just basically said how stupid it is to have five brands with barely any differences among them. The multiple brands gives the illusion of choice, but our choices among brands of canned beans aren't meaningful choices.

I'm not saying that choosing between the two hypothetical Doms in osf's post is equivalent to choosing between brands of canned beans. I'm saying that we like the illusion of choice and if osf tells us to choose among two, we might think, "Why just two? Why can't I choose from among three or five or a hundred?"

When I was single I didn't think I would date every available man until I found THE PERFECT ONE. I figured I would date until I found someone whose approach to life resonated with me profoundly. Might I have met another man whose approach to life also resonated with me profoundly if I had kept dating? Maybe yes, maybe no. It doesn't matter, though. I committed to my boyfriend, and once I made that commitment, our connection became much more profound and grew and developed to the point where I couldn't possibly meet someone else whose approach to life resonates more profoundly with me.

For me, it boils down to consciously ignoring options at some point and choosing to develop what's there in front of me. I suppose some would call that "settling." I call it commitment.

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RE: choices - 1/12/2010 9:04:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: osf

assuming you as a submissive had to make a choice between two dominants, one had the force of character you wanted but didn't like his kink, or one whose kink you were more comfortable with but were not as attracted to on a personal basis, what would be your choice?

this is an edit to make more clear what i meant, the first can create the structure you crave the second cant



I'm assuming this scenario is meant to take place after I had talked to both of them to try and resolve any conflicts we may have over these issues.  If so, then I would walk away from both.  Why would I, or anyone for that matter resign themselves to a relationship where they would not be fulfilled?

Anne

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RE: choices - 1/12/2010 10:04:48 PM   
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Naw osf.  You are pretty antagonistic Yourself & just can't stand for anyone to disagree with You.


and you just had to say that even though the remark wasn't directed at you

i've noticed two types of people here those that actually try to get into the spirit of the thread and those that are just interruptive with non pertinent criticisms

which are you?

I have gotten into the spirit of the threads LOTS of times, and this time I just felt like veering off a little.  So............??  Admittedly there is a grain of truth in what we both say.

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RE: choices - 1/13/2010 12:23:58 AM   
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Neither. Same reasons as everyone else. I have to connect with a person on an intellectual, emotional and sexual level, or what's the point?

Let's turn the question around, osf: if you had to choose between a sub who shared your kinks but was an incredibly uninteresting person that you didn't really get along with or a sub who did not share your kinks at all but was completely compatible with you as a person, which would you choose?

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