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for Pahunky; swine flu - 1/11/2010 11:36:41 AM   
LadyEllen


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Status: offline 		The Council of Europe health subcommittee has moved for an enquiry into the swine flu pandemic, to focus on how pharmaceutical companies may have acted to influence the WHO into changing what constitutes a pandemic in July 2009 and in otherwise exacerbating the threat, resulting in governments worldwide making massive purchases of anti-virals that were, as it would seem, not needed.

Should such an enquiry establish guilt on the part of big pharma this will not of course indicate some awful conspiracy towards population control or any of the other wilder conspiracy theories, but it may indicate fraudulent activity that should be scandalous, representing the obtaining by deception of billions of dollars. At the same time we must bear in mind of course that such findings may assist to release governments from some very hefty bills and contractual obligations that they would prefer to evade. One must wonder what the fall out of such a bloody nose for big pharma might mean for our future pills and potions supply.

Anyway, thought I'd post this towards an apology because Pahunk as it would appear may have been on to something with this aspect.

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RE: for Pahunky; swine flu - 1/11/2010 12:11:45 PM   
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RE: for Pahunky; swine flu - 1/11/2010 1:29:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		The severity of the H1N1 outbreak was deliberately exaggerated by pharmaceutical companies that stood to make billions of dollars from a worldwide scare, a leading European health expert has claimed.

Wolfgang Wodarg, head of health at the Council of Europe, has accused the makers of vaccines for the virus of influencing the World Health Organisation's (WHO) decision to declare a pandemic.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoQN1to3C2U

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RE: for Pahunky; swine flu - 1/11/2010 4:06:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		I dunno, it seems to me a large part, possibly all, of it was the media bigging it up as is their wont these days (sars, bird flu, global warming).....and that put pressure on governments & possibly WHO to....possibly....overreact.

I recall Cameron lambasting the governments swine flu help line for not having enough people....and the day before they had indeed not been coping with the number of calls, people seeing the tv telling them we're all gonna die......3 days later, all those phone ops were sitting around getting bored with almost no calls a day.

Whether it was just this, or whether there was overreaction at all in the nation of your choice....or whether some companies were somehow swaying the WHO....wait for the result of the enquiry.

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RE: for Pahunky; swine flu - 1/11/2010 4:11:39 PM   
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RE: for Pahunky; swine flu - 1/11/2010 4:23:28 PM   
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RE: for Pahunky; swine flu - 1/11/2010 4:43:44 PM   
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RE: for Pahunky; swine flu - 1/11/2010 4:56:45 PM   
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RE: for Pahunky; swine flu - 1/11/2010 4:58:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		.....and if the TV said we have all been exposed to radiation and  many will be dead by the morning-people en mass would think they were sick- even if they had no exposure what-so-ever- they would be vomiting- showing up at ER rooms.  all from the power of suggestion.


...follow to money.   as usual- that is where we will find the motivation.

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RE: for Pahunky; swine flu - 1/11/2010 5:07:45 PM   
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95% of posters here don't have a clue who Cameron is  .


That's because this here is 'merica, and we dun don't pay no mind to any socialists.

This here is 'merica, love it or leave it.


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RE: for Pahunky; swine flu - 1/11/2010 8:09:06 PM   
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...follow to money.


'Tis a tough challenge these days is that Hunky ... there's fuck all of it about.

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RE: for Pahunky; swine flu - 1/12/2010 6:01:08 AM   
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...follow to money.


'Tis a tough challenge these days is that Hunky ... there's fuck all of it about.


http://www.youtube.com/user/eldrak21   this user-

Jane Burgermeister is worth a listen.

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RE: for Pahunky; swine flu - 1/12/2010 2:20:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		On Oct 30 in the Ukraine 2 cases of swine flu had been reported. On Nov 7, 936,804 were infected. Residents of Kiex, L'viv and Ternopil had reported sightings of light aircraft spraying an unknown substance over the cities. Local authorites advised people to stay indoors. Now by Nov 4 their President Yushcenko was considering imposing martial law.

Dr. Joseph Moshe was arreted in LA, tear gassed and tased, but right before that he got a call off to a radio talk show. At that time he said that there was GOING TO BE an epidemic in the Ukraine. There is no way in hell someone can tell you that if not for something going on. He has apparently fallen off the planet, along with about 200 other microbiologists in recent years.

What's more, this pandemic has been found to be more than just one strain of virus. Jane Burgermeister said in an interview that Mother nature does not combine bird, swine and three human influenza viruses.

Even the most potent debunkers of conspiracy theories are going to have their hands full with this one.

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RE: for Pahunky; swine flu - 1/12/2010 2:37:19 PM   
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On Oct 30 in the Ukraine 2 cases of swine flu had been reported. On Nov 7, 936,804 were infected. Residents of Kiex, L'viv and Ternopil had reported sightings of light aircraft spraying an unknown substance over the cities. Local authorites advised people to stay indoors. Now by Nov 4 their President Yushcenko was considering imposing martial law.

Dr. Joseph Moshe was arreted in LA, tear gassed and tased, but right before that he got a call off to a radio talk show. At that time he said that there was GOING TO BE an epidemic in the Ukraine. There is no way in hell someone can tell you that if not for something going on. He has apparently fallen off the planet, along with about 200 other microbiologists in recent years.

What's more, this pandemic has been found to be more than just one strain of virus. Jane Burgermeister said in an interview that Mother nature does not combine bird, swine and three human influenza viruses.

Even the most potent debunkers of conspiracy theories are going to have their hands full with this one.

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First rule of hypcratic oath-  do no harm.

Rules regarding medications-  "least effective dose"

It would take a while to understand the dynamics of the Ukraine.

Ron Paul- did not endorse vax for the h1n1.

Even tho- there is a dimension of  funny stuff going on in the Ukraine- 

I chalk things up to "junk science".    the threshold for a level 6 pandemic was changed- summer 09.  This the sigatories to the WHO treaty were required to push these untested h1n1 vaccines.

So now we await the findings of this official EU inquiry.

I suspect the motive was to boost sales for the pharma.    This episode tho is very bad- in that is alarmed many when such alarm was not warranted.

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RE: for Pahunky; swine flu - 1/12/2010 2:41:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		PS- the last I heard- Ukraine elections were postponed.

the h1n1 shot would not have prevented the Ukraine illnesses- which bear some resemblance to the black plague-

Ukraine is prime real estate for natural resources.  Both Russia and the West have long eyed Ukraine to grab is gas- oil and what have you.
Hence the tricky prez election which is now  postponed.

NOTE- that it is nearly impossible to spread flu germs via crop duster airplanes.

It is true to Joseph Modesh (sp) warned of mass deaths in Ukraine in August- he was taken into custody by a swat team 7 hour stand off.  It is unclear if he is in a LA jail- or went back to Israel. (as he hold duo citizenship)


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RE: for Pahunky; swine flu - 1/12/2010 2:44:16 PM   
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NOTE- that it is nearly impossible to spread flu germs via crop duster airplanes.

I thought flu viruses could live on surfaces for up to 48 hours?

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RE: for Pahunky; swine flu - 1/12/2010 2:45:59 PM   
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95% of posters here don't have a clue who Cameron is  .


I find that insulting. He directed "The Titanic."


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RE: for Pahunky; swine flu - 1/12/2010 2:46:58 PM   
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RE: for Pahunky; swine flu - 1/12/2010 2:47:59 PM   
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NOTE- that it is nearly impossible to spread flu germs via crop duster airplanes.

I thought flu viruses could live on surfaces for up to 48 hours?



There were blunders- of shipping tainted vax.
This had even reached the media- main media.

It is pretty hard to spread the germ via airplane.   That is how I understand it.  Tainted vax tho was shipped and discovered to be bad. 

Maybe a crop duster could spread something else which might speed up a germ... but unlikely the germ itself. 

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RE: for Pahunky; swine flu - 1/12/2010 2:49:34 PM   
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Uh, would you be referring to David Cameron?


or....Cameron Diaz?

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