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thompsonx -> RE: California to Vote on Legal Marijuana (1/12/2010 10:41:30 AM)
quote: Not the only way in reality though and those that get the cheap illegal version will still do so but with more confidence. Street prices may be more or less the same, perhaps when big business gets behind it small dealers won't be able to compete for price. Street price is the same as the dispensary price. There is no incentive for either to go down at present. Perhaps if it is made legal for all to grow then the price may go down but don't bet on it. It is legal to grow tomatoes but the price in the store does not reflect that. HST

Kirata -> RE: California to Vote on Legal Marijuana (1/12/2010 10:43:11 AM)
I would imagine that it's difficult to get a good estimate of how many people actually smoke pot. It seems to me that the potential tax revenue has at least as much of a chance of being higher as lower. The trick is to tax it at a level which is not so onerous that it simply replaces illegality as the motivation fueling a huge black market. K.

pahunkboy -> RE: California to Vote on Legal Marijuana (1/12/2010 10:43:55 AM)
...drug addicts leave Hawaii to move to LA because drugs are cheaper there. alot cheaper.

Mercnbeth -> RE: California to Vote on Legal Marijuana (1/12/2010 10:44:16 AM)
quote: ...Not the only way in reality though and those that get the cheap illegal version will still do so but with more confidence... it's sort of like this: this slave knows no-one who operates their own still instead of going down to the liquor store/grocery store/convenience store...making liquor, or effectively growing/harvesting/drying suitable cannabis takes a hell of a lot more time, effort, knowledge and ability than the 5-10 minute process of picking it up at the store.

AsmodaisSin -> RE: California to Vote on Legal Marijuana (1/12/2010 10:44:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata I would imagine that it's difficult to get a good estimate of how many people actually smoke pot. It seems to me that the potential tax revenue has at least as much of a chance of being higher as lower. The trick is to tax it at a level which is not so onerous that it simply replaces illegality as the motivation fueling a huge black market. K. Thank You. You put a much more eloquent spin on exactly what i was trying to say.

thompsonx -> RE: California to Vote on Legal Marijuana (1/12/2010 10:49:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AsmodaisSin It could very well affect me, as i stated that i would support legalizing marijuana nationally. i generally do not support most taxes, or rather, i believe that tax cuts are more beneficial in most cases. In the case of California and the amount of debt it has accumulated, i see very little else they could do aside from lowering state taxes, legalizing and taxing a substance which is already used, turn it into a cash crop to offer more jobs to LEGAL workers, and try and rebuild their government. And i'm not familiar with some of the terminology used. HST? Since you have stated that you are not a smoker of marijuana how would a tax on it affect you? You go on to state that California could solve it's problems by lowering taxes and then you follow that up with they should impose taxes on marijuana...you seem to be saying tax them but do not tax me. Being inconsistant in your statements is some times refered to as "talking out of both sides of ones mouth at the same time." Most would think that sort of exercise might be somewhat uncomfortable. HST.

SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: California to Vote on Legal Marijuana (1/12/2010 10:53:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth it's sort of like this: this slave knows no-one who operates their own still instead of going down to the liquor store/grocery store/convenience store...making liquor, or effectively growing/harvesting/drying suitable cannabis takes a hell of a lot more time, effort, knowledge and ability than the 5-10 minute process of picking it up at the store. That's true but when it was totally illegal many could still always find someone who knew someone I bet. It's not legal here but I'd venture a guess that for some it wouldn't be hard to find. There were always people offering it when I was growing up or who knew how to get hold of people selling it. I don't think that situation has changed much recently. It's actually quite a cottage industry with people converting houses solely to harvest plants under intense heat.

pahunkboy -> RE: California to Vote on Legal Marijuana (1/12/2010 10:53:52 AM)
prisoners make their own booze. Not a problem.

servantforuse -> RE: California to Vote on Legal Marijuana (1/12/2010 10:53:57 AM)
I don't smoke it so it doesn't matter to me either way, But, aren't there Federal laws regulating this ? If there are the new CA law wouldn't really mean anything. I always thought that this hasn't already been done because of the Feds..

AsmodaisSin -> RE: California to Vote on Legal Marijuana (1/12/2010 10:56:38 AM)
i do not smoke anymore, but i used to use both substances once upon a time. It would still affect me if i were still smoking. And that's exactly what i'm suggesting. In the case of California, if they chose to legalize marijuana, i would support turning it into a cash crop, hiring people to work said crops, and selling it retail. In Virginia, the liquor stores are owned by the state. That may be a route that California could look into doing. Perhaps taxing is not the correct term i am looking for. Do not tax the population as a whole, but tax the actual product a bit higher, the way they have raised taxes on tabacco products. And again, what does HST stand for?

Kirata -> RE: California to Vote on Legal Marijuana (1/12/2010 11:02:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: servantforuse But, aren't there Federal laws... I always thought that this hasn't already been done because of the Feds I was wondering about that one too, and whether this will become a states rights issue if they pass it. K.

AsmodaisSin -> RE: California to Vote on Legal Marijuana (1/12/2010 11:04:37 AM)
i hadn't thought of that, actually. Hn. No wonder i keep mentioning nationalization of marijuana.

thompsonx -> RE: California to Vote on Legal Marijuana (1/12/2010 11:04:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AsmodaisSin i do not smoke anymore, but i used to use both substances once upon a time. It would still affect me if i were still smoking. Are you saying that if the new law passes you will start smokin dope again? HST are thompson's initials. HST.

thompsonx -> RE: California to Vote on Legal Marijuana (1/12/2010 11:06:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: servantforuse But, aren't there Federal laws... I always thought that this hasn't already been done because of the Feds I was wondering about that one too, and whether this will become a states rights issue if they pass it. K. One can only hope. HST.

Silence8 -> RE: California to Vote on Legal Marijuana (1/12/2010 11:08:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3 quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth the only way one can grow it outside the tax system at present is to obtain a recommendation from an MD(which will cost you an office visit at the very least) AND have the resources/knowledge/space/security measures in place to grow it. as it stands now, if one obtains it from a dispensary, one pays sales tax (9.75%) that is then forwarded to the state. Not the only way in reality though and those that get the cheap illegal version will still do so but with more confidence. Street prices may be more or less the same, perhaps when big business gets behind it small dealers won't be able to compete for price. quote: ORIGINAL: AsmodaisSin i'm generally not a big fan of taxes. (Libertarian conservative; we DO exist. ^_^) With that being said, California is two seconds away from completely collapsing. If California can find a way to bring in new revenue, i have little reason to oppose it. Well, aside from suggesting we just blow it up and watch it sink into the ocean. ^_^ That would solve a lot of problems. Hehe. This is a massive debt which dwarfs any remuneration expected through the taxation of drugs, they need a lot of other ideas too to get out of this one. It would definitely raise considerable taxes, if the system were set up right. For one thing, illegal smugglers would probably be out of business almost immediately, unable to compete in terms of price or quality against professional legal mass producers. Likewise, whatever you grow out of your closet will pail in comparison, and your friends will make fun of you while smoking their strawberry-flavored indica-blend Burberry-essence haze. Even with taxes, the price should go down.

AsmodaisSin -> RE: California to Vote on Legal Marijuana (1/12/2010 11:09:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: AsmodaisSin i do not smoke anymore, but i used to use both substances once upon a time. It would still affect me if i were still smoking. Are you saying that if the new law passes you will start smokin dope again? HST are thompson's initials. HST. No, i wouldn't start smoking again. It is something neither Daddy will allow nor something i would wish to start again. AH! Thank You! It's been a long time since i've been on a forum, especially a lifestyle forum, so i wasn't sure if it was some forum jargon i couldn't decipher.

Kirata -> RE: California to Vote on Legal Marijuana (1/12/2010 11:54:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx One can only hope. Well fuck, maybe not. I just looked up the text of the bill. It's purpose as stated in Section I is... I (c): To ensure that the proper regulatory apparatus for marijuana sale and cultivation is ready when permitted by the federal government. I (i): To encourage the federal government to reconsider its policies concerning marijuana, and to change its laws accordingly. K.

philosophy -> RE: California to Vote on Legal Marijuana (1/12/2010 12:02:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AsmodaisSin And again, what does HST stand for? ...harmonised sales tax. However what does a controversial Canadian tax law have to do with doobies?

mnottertail -> RE: California to Vote on Legal Marijuana (1/12/2010 12:06:32 PM)
its all one, its all beautiful. Higher than a hippy in july, Ron

ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: California to Vote on Legal Marijuana (1/12/2010 12:19:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: Not the only way in reality though and those that get the cheap illegal version will still do so but with more confidence. Street prices may be more or less the same, perhaps when big business gets behind it small dealers won't be able to compete for price. Street price is the same as the dispensary price. There is no incentive for either to go down at present. Perhaps if it is made legal for all to grow then the price may go down but don't bet on it. It is legal to grow tomatoes but the price in the store does not reflect that. HST True, but if tomatoes cost as much as $3,000 a pound, a heck of a lot more people would grow their own tomatoes. I'm all for legalizing it, and I do agree it would increase tax revenues, but I don't think it would be as much as a lot of proponents are projecting. I think there are a lot of stoners who would be quite capable of growing their own, but are deterred by the legal risks. Not everyone who smokes dope is a grungy teenager with dreadlocks and tattoos - tens of millions of ordinary, middle class suburbians with respectable careers blaze up on a regular basis, but have to be discrete because they just have way too much to lose if they got busted with a basement full of black widow. Their lives would be ruined. But make it legal, and they'll be all over it. It's not as easy as a lot of people assume, but it's not exactly rocket surgery either. Anyone with a green thumb, some handyman skills, a little common sense, a few hundred square feet of spare space, and a couple thousand bucks for the startup costs can do it. In most cases, it would pay for itself in 6 or 8 months, and from that point on it's pretty much all gravy. If it's legal, I think an awful lot of people would opt for that, especially with the economy the way it is now and everybody looking for a way to save a few bucks.

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