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Mercnbeth -> RE: California to Vote on Legal Marijuana (1/14/2010 7:49:27 AM)
For those who don't think anything is being done or has been done to address the legality of cannabis (medicinally speaking or not) at the Federal level: quote: Massachusetts Democrat Barney Frank, along with a bipartisan coalition of 13 co-sponsors, is seeking to strengthen legal protections for state-authorized medical marijuana patients. House Bill 2835, The Medical Marijuana Patient Protection Act of 2009, would ensure that medical cannabis patients in states that have approved its use will no longer have to fear arrest or prosecution from federal law enforcement agencies. Thirteen states -- Alaska, California, Colorado, Hawaii, Maine, Michigan, Montana, New Mexico, Nevada, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont and Washington -- have enacted laws protecting medical marijuana patients from state prosecution. Yet in all of these states, patients and providers still face the risk of federal sanction -- even when their actions are fully compliant with state law. It is time that we allowed our unique federalist system to work the way it was intended. Patients and their state representatives should have the authority to enact laws permitting the medical use of cannabis -- free from federal interference. Previous versions of The Medical Marijuana Patient Protection Act were introduced in both the 108th and 109th Congress, but failed to receive a public hearing or a committee vote. there are legislators that are attempting to reconcile the 13...now 14 with New Jersey...states that have medicinal laws with NEW federal policy concerning it. then there is this: quote: ...US Patent #6630507...Issued October 7, 2003 Assignnee: The United States of America as represented by the Department of Health & Human Services Abstract: Cannabinoids have been found to have antioxidant properties, unrelated to NMDA receptor antagonism. This new found property makes cannabinoids useful in the treatment and prophylaxis of wide variety of oxidation associated diseases, such as ischemic, age-related, inflammatory and autoimmune diseases. The cannabinoids are found to have particular application as neuroprotectants, for example in limiting neurological damage following ischemic insults, such as stroke and trauma, or in the treatment of neurodegenerative diseases, such as Alzheimer's disease, Parkinson's disease and HIV dementia. Nonpsychoactive cannabinoids, such as cannabidoil, are particularly advantageous to use because they avoid toxicity that is encountered with psychoactive cannabinoids at high doses useful in the method of the present invention. A particular disclosed class of cannabinoids useful as neuroprotective antioxidants is formula (I) wherein the R group is independently selected from the group consisting of H, CH3, and COCH3. ##STR1##...PatentStorm Edited to add: (Merc) beth - my little political activist! I'm waiting for the notification for her testifying in front of Congress on this issue. Don't get her started!!

LadyEllen -> RE: California to Vote on Legal Marijuana (1/14/2010 9:37:53 AM)
Really Mercnbeth - you, who for the benefit of all point out that it was prohibited using vile racial caricatures as an aspect of the supporting argument to do so, then wish to argue that the reason Obama wont legalise (or at least back non-enforcement) is because of his personal failings, rather than the simmering pot of racist slander and libel that would explode in his face should he do so? E

Mercnbeth -> RE: California to Vote on Legal Marijuana (1/14/2010 10:09:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyEllen Really Mercnbeth - you, who for the benefit of all point out that it was prohibited using vile racial caricatures as an aspect of the supporting argument to do so, then wish to argue that the reason Obama wont legalise (or at least back non-enforcement) is because of his personal failings, rather than the simmering pot of racist slander and libel that would explode in his face should he do so? E Yes. I've never seen Obama use his race as a crutch. I find it reprehensible that others would use it as an excuse for him. Racism isn't always exposed by bigotry. The more insidious form is excusing behavior, actions, or results, rationalizing and attributing them to a person's race, gender, religion, or age. Excusing Obama's failure to act upon his campaign commitments on racial lines is an example of that form of racist expectations. It has the same affect as saying; "what do you expect from a black man?" The US elected a man who happened to be black. As fact - genentically he's as black as I am. My expectations, and I would think the expectations for those who voted for him, were for him to lead and fulfill his campaign commitments. This one would not have been difficult. Excusing it for racial implications is an insult to Obama and the people who voted for him. He wasn't elected to be President to represent 'black' USA. He is not a token Affirmative Action hire. He's the President. Either he has the intelligence, ability, leadership, or not - let the reaction of people expose their bigotry. Obama was elected by a large majority from what you represent as a, "simmering pot of racist slander and libel". Why would that 'pot' (ironic to use that word - don't you think?) "explode in his face" for doing something so simple and benign as pulling back the enforcement on a law the plurality that voted for him would support?

LadyEllen -> RE: California to Vote on Legal Marijuana (1/14/2010 10:12:37 AM)
Oh for goodness sake - are you being deliberately obtuse, I certainly hope so E

Mercnbeth -> RE: California to Vote on Legal Marijuana (1/14/2010 10:15:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyEllen Oh for goodness sake - are you being deliberately obtuse, I certainly hope so E No are you? Do you have lower expectations of Obama because he is a 'black' President?

tazzygirl -> RE: California to Vote on Legal Marijuana (1/14/2010 10:36:15 AM)
~FR Why do so many seem to have higher expectations of him because of his color?

Mercnbeth -> RE: California to Vote on Legal Marijuana (1/14/2010 11:00:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl ~FR Why do so many seem to have higher expectations of him because of his color? You mean why is anyone expecting him to live up to his campaign commits compared to others? Good question - his own 'CHANGE!' banner may be contributory. Higher expectations? I don't see any of that going on. Many people are excusing his results but I don't think anyone is saying he should do more. However you are right - his results compared to his campaign rhetoric prove he's no different that Bush or anyone else who preceded him. That is confirmed more and more with each passing day, and with each special interest group that is served by this Administration.

ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: California to Vote on Legal Marijuana (1/14/2010 12:07:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda But even so, that won't prevent anyone from growing their own. The government can't tax what you grow in your back yard. That's the main point I'm making - if people in California can grow 10 or 15 plants in their own backyard, they'll never need to buy a single ounce from the corner marijuana store, and the government won't be collecting any tax from people who choose to do this. Then you get back to the convenience of buying it from the corner store. People can grow all kinds of vegetables in their backyards, but how many do? Have you been in the produce section of a grocery store lately? They now have containers of pre-chopped onions, peppers, watermelon, cantaloupe, etc., so you don't even have to break out a knife. But it doesn't make any sense to discuss the convenience without discussing the cost. That's my whole point. How many vegetables cost several hundred dollars an ounce? I like tomatoes, but I don't bother growing them because they cost less than a dollar apiece. If they cost $500 a piece, I'd suddenly develop a strong interest in growing tomatoes. There are people who easily smoke well over $10,000 worth of weed a year, at ounce prices. If it's legal, they can grow the same amount of dope in their backyard for a couple of hundred bucks. You really think nobody's going to think that's a cost-effective alternative?

tazzygirl -> RE: California to Vote on Legal Marijuana (1/14/2010 2:45:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl ~FR Why do so many seem to have higher expectations of him because of his color? You mean why is anyone expecting him to live up to his campaign commits compared to others? Good question - his own 'CHANGE!' banner may be contributory. Higher expectations? I don't see any of that going on. Many people are excusing his results but I don't think anyone is saying he should do more. However you are right - his results compared to his campaign rhetoric prove he's no different that Bush or anyone else who preceded him. That is confirmed more and more with each passing day, and with each special interest group that is served by this Administration. Where are you looking? Because i see many expecting "more" of him because of his color. Starting with the race issue... and that was just in the last week. Beyond that, i dont think any President has taken on as much as he has... and while he isnt doing a stellar job, he isnt doing badly.

rulemylife -> RE: California to Vote on Legal Marijuana (1/14/2010 2:53:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda But it doesn't make any sense to discuss the convenience without discussing the cost. That's my whole point. How many vegetables cost several hundred dollars an ounce? I like tomatoes, but I don't bother growing them because they cost less than a dollar apiece. If they cost $500 a piece, I'd suddenly develop a strong interest in growing tomatoes. There are people who easily smoke well over $10,000 worth of weed a year, at ounce prices. If it's legal, they can grow the same amount of dope in their backyard for a couple of hundred bucks. You really think nobody's going to think that's a cost-effective alternative? No, but what I believe would happen is the cost would decrease as you begin to have legal mass production.

thompsonx -> RE: California to Vote on Legal Marijuana (1/14/2010 3:03:30 PM)
quote: No, but what I believe would happen is the cost would decrease as you begin to have legal mass production. Does any one have any first hand data on prices in some place like Amsterdam where it is "de facto" legal if not totally "de jure"...where does the "free market" take the price? HST

tazzygirl -> RE: California to Vote on Legal Marijuana (1/14/2010 3:11:08 PM)
The Average price of mid-grade marijuana in Amsterdam is $20.90 per ounce. Remember marijuana is still illegal in the US. http://www.chacha.com/question/how-much-is-an-ounce-of-pot-in-amsterdam Only a few bars offer both drinks and drugs, so combining the two activities is difficult. At the places that do, it's fl5 for a hash or marijuana cigarette and fl15 for a "popper," a quick high that freezes the brain cells for about five minutes. Fortunately, the cells do recover. Cost is approximately 12-15 euros for a two to three gram bag of marijuana or for four pre-rolled joints. Most places supply rolling papers and filter tips. Save the "happy snaps" for the bars; taking photos are highly discouraged. Sodas, coffee and water are often the only beverages available. http://www.pubclub.com/amsterdam/coffeehouses.htm Not sure what the conversion rate is.

thompsonx -> RE: California to Vote on Legal Marijuana (1/14/2010 3:30:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl The Average price of mid-grade marijuana in Amsterdam is $20.90 per ounce. Remember marijuana is still illegal in the US. http://www.chacha.com/question/how-much-is-an-ounce-of-pot-in-amsterdam Only a few bars offer both drinks and drugs, so combining the two activities is difficult. At the places that do, it's fl5 for a hash or marijuana cigarette and fl15 for a "popper," a quick high that freezes the brain cells for about five minutes. Fortunately, the cells do recover. Cost is approximately 12-15 euros for a two to three gram bag of marijuana or for four pre-rolled joints. Most places supply rolling papers and filter tips. Save the "happy snaps" for the bars; taking photos are highly discouraged. Sodas, coffee and water are often the only beverages available. http://www.pubclub.com/amsterdam/coffeehouses.htm Not sure what the conversion rate is. Mid-grade in Los Angeles is about $200 an ounce and that is the same whether you are buying in a legal marijuana store or on the street. It will be interesting to see what a little free enterprise might bring[;)] HST

Mercnbeth -> RE: California to Vote on Legal Marijuana (1/15/2010 6:52:12 AM)
quote: Does any one have any first hand data on prices in some place like Amsterdam where it is "de facto" legal if not totally "de jure"...where does the "free market" take the price? when we visited Amsterdam last May/June we went to at least 12 coffeeshops. None sold alcohol...and none sold ounces. it was available for purchase by the gram with a strict limit of 5 grams per customer, per day. (28 grams in an ounce, for those following along that aren't familiar with weights and measures) the most expensive "The Cheese" gram was 17.00 Euro which translated to $24.63. the least expensive gram we encountered was "Red Haze", 9.00 Euro which translated to $13.00 obviously, our experience was MUCH different than tazzygirl's.

Moonhead -> RE: California to Vote on Legal Marijuana (1/15/2010 8:12:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: No, but what I believe would happen is the cost would decrease as you begin to have legal mass production. Does any one have any first hand data on prices in some place like Amsterdam where it is "de facto" legal if not totally "de jure"...where does the "free market" take the price? HST It's pretty cheap in Amsterdam. I think it was about £3 for an eighth ten years ago. It might be a bit more now.

tazzygirl -> RE: California to Vote on Legal Marijuana (1/15/2010 2:38:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth quote: Does any one have any first hand data on prices in some place like Amsterdam where it is "de facto" legal if not totally "de jure"...where does the "free market" take the price? when we visited Amsterdam last May/June we went to at least 12 coffeeshops. None sold alcohol...and none sold ounces. it was available for purchase by the gram with a strict limit of 5 grams per customer, per day. (28 grams in an ounce, for those following along that aren't familiar with weights and measures) the most expensive "The Cheese" gram was 17.00 Euro which translated to $24.63. the least expensive gram we encountered was "Red Haze", 9.00 Euro which translated to $13.00 obviously, our experience was MUCH different than tazzygirl's. sorry, i grew up long ago and left the pot world behind. IF you look, my post was a link. open to debate, debunking, or whatever.

Mercnbeth -> RE: California to Vote on Legal Marijuana (1/15/2010 4:07:47 PM)
quote: my post was a link. open to debate, debunking, or whatever. Our mistake thinking you knew "first hand data" didn't mean 2nd from a dated website. Appreciating your lack of empathy to those who can not take aspirin derivative pain killers needing medicinal marijuana; maybe you didn't grow up and just didn't leave your "pot world" behind you quick enough.

Mercnbeth -> RE: California to Vote on Legal Marijuana (1/16/2010 6:09:16 AM)
For those who *STILL* don't think anything is being done or has been done to address the legality of cannabis (medicinally speaking or not) at the Federal level: quote: Washington: Lawmakers on the House Committee on Public Safety & Emergency Preparedness will vote on Wednesday, January 20, at 1:30pm on two pending proposals, House Bill 1177 and House Bill 2401. House Bill 1177 seeks to reclassify the possession of forty grams or less of marijuana from a criminal misdemeanor to a class 2 civil infraction punishable by a $100 fine. House Bill 2401 seeks to “remove all existing civil and criminal penalties for adults 21 years of age or older who cultivate, possess, transport, sell, or use marijuana.” This will be the first time state lawmakers have ever voted on regulating marijuana production, distribution, and use by adults....NORML additionally, 4 more states are working on their own legislation on the issue: New Hampshire: Lawmakers on the House Criminal Justice and Public Safety Committee will hold hearings on Wednesday, January 20, beginning at 1:00pm on two pending proposals, HB 1652 and HB 1653. House Bill 1652 “allows [for] the purchase and use of marijuana by adults (age 21 or older), regulates the purchase and use of marijuana, and imposes taxes on the wholesale and retail sale of marijuana.” Personal possession of up to one ounce of cannabis and/or non-commercial cultivation of up to three marijuana plants would not be subject to tax and regulation under this act. House Bill 1653 seeks to reduce minor marijuana possession penalties from a criminal misdemeanor to a fine-only offense. Virginia: Lawmakers this week pre-filed legislation, House Bill 1134, seeking to dramatically reduce the state’s marijuana possession and cultivation penalties. Tennessee: Lawmakers on Wednesday introduced a pair of bills — Senate Bill 2511 and House Bill 2562, the Safe Access to Medical Cannabis Act– seeking to establish a statewide production and distribution program for qualified medical marijuana patients. NORML has retained a state lobbyist to represent the interests of our statewide affiliates as this bill moves forward in the 2010 legislative session. Wisconsin: Members of Madison NORML and IMMLY are organizing a Medical Marijuana Lobby Day in support of AB554/SB368 the Jacki Rickert Medical Marijuana Act. The program will take place on Wednesday, January 20. It will run from 12 to 1pm at the state Capitol, in the first floor rotunda.

tazzygirl -> RE: California to Vote on Legal Marijuana (1/16/2010 6:42:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth quote: my post was a link. open to debate, debunking, or whatever. Our mistake thinking you knew "first hand data" didn't mean 2nd from a dated website. Appreciating your lack of empathy to those who can not take aspirin derivative pain killers needing medicinal marijuana; maybe you didn't grow up and just didn't leave your "pot world" behind you quick enough. And yet again you display your narrow minded ability to not know any facts about posters you attack. I advocate the use of medical marijuana. Nothing worse than watching a relative die from cancer, and the main cause was lack of the desire to eat. I dont consider a trip to amsterdam from the US medical use.. lol. give me a break. never tried tylenol?

Mercnbeth -> RE: California to Vote on Legal Marijuana (1/16/2010 6:58:16 AM)
quote: I dont consider a trip to Amsterdam from the US medical use.. lol. give me a break. never tried Tylenol? Add ignorance list, the long term effects of Tylenol on the liver. There are no long or short term side effects of Marijuana on the liver. You can not die from an overdose of marijuana - name another pain killer that can claim the same. Do you apply your closed minded acceptance for using marijuana only when dieing of something to all prescribed medications? What a hypocrite if you take an aspirin - after all, you're not going to die from a headache. With thousands of dispensaries in CA and both of us having prescriptions; the trip to Amsterdam had nothing to do with medication. The question we answered was specific on that subject and he had "first hand data" - you had....what? We made the trip because we could, to visit and enjoy the culture, the people, the art. It was amazing! The coffee shops were part of that culture; a social gathering place and very enjoyable. At least for people with open, reasoning, accepting minds - you may have hated it.

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